Did God, forsake Jesus on the cross?
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praise_yeshua
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Be clear. You do value Jesus Christ less than the Father? Right?
No. You are doing more. You're insisting upon long held traditions that date back to those who denied Messiah and hung Him on a cross to die.
If they valued Him equal with the Father, they wouldn't have sought to murder Him. They claimed He blasphemed by claiming to be equal with God.
You are pretty much doing the same thing. You are rejecting what Christ said.
Jhn 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
I just can not wrap my mind around this.
How could God, ever forsake Jesus because Jesus is God, and on the cross, Jesus died as God, and then was raised again afterward... by God.
If Jesus is God, God died on the cross, how can God die??
And God suppose to know everything, then why didn't Jesus tell his disciples the exact time and date when his return would be, Jesus only gave them the hint of 'within this generation', but the 'day or hour' is for my Father to know.
Later on you have God revealing a message to Jesus which he had not known prior, which would be the Revelation.
There are many questions to the whole trinity and 'Jesus is God' rote sayings.
How could God, ever forsake Jesus because Jesus is God, and on the cross, Jesus died as God, and then was raised again afterward... by God.
If Jesus is God, God died on the cross, how can God die??
And God suppose to know everything, then why didn't Jesus tell his disciples the exact time and date when his return would be, Jesus only gave them the hint of 'within this generation', but the 'day or hour' is for my Father to know.
Later on you have God revealing a message to Jesus which he had not known prior, which would be the Revelation.
There are many questions to the whole trinity and 'Jesus is God' rote sayings.
praise_yeshua
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Yeah. You don't care for Jesus much all do you?
When you reference the fact that God was in Christ, than how can you possibly insist that Jesus wasn't God.
Jesus desired men worship Him.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
By the way, I'm a son and a father both. Are you?
praise_yeshua
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The Father didn't forsake the Son..that is manmade nonsense.
A mear man dying for another has no Eternal value. Men do this all the time.
God in absolutely Empathy with humanity.... tasting death.... Such EARNS.... Eternal life for the unworthy.
Is Christ worthy or not?
Evil men and Satan don't want you to understand this. Don't pretend there isn't an answer. You just need to believe it. God will work in your life.
civic
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why doesn't the Father know the name written on Jesus forehead in Rev 19:12 ?
It's not that I value Jesus less than the Father. I just believe it's important for us to do what Jesus had said, in seeking to worship his Father in spirit and in truth. Do you find any value in what the Lord Jesus, has to say within the narratives of the Gospels written about him? Jesus, all in all is our redemption, the one whom makes us right with Yahavah, so that we have access, to our Father, and by and through the Lord Yeshua, and his death, burial, and resurrection. Yahavah calls out to all people every day, by the spirit and by the bride. Yahavah, allowed his Word to create all things into existences, and I believe that is very cool and radical!
What?
If they had loved their Father first, they would have also loved the one whom he had sent. He is from above, and we are from beneath.
Do not understand how.
It was because of calling God, Yahavha, his Father. Not so sure how often the Jews heard anyone call Yahavah, their Father, but it assuredly made them upset. There are many things said within the Gospel of John to look at and over.
Yeah, Jesus is the one crying out to Yahavah, saying why have you abandon me here?
How can you suggest that the Father doesn't know?
praise_yeshua
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You spoke of traditions in the Trinity. In doctrine, most Christians how no idea what they believe about the subject. It is complicated but it fundamentally simple. Think of perfect Love and unyielding Unity. The Father has never be upset with someone promoting His Son equal to Him. He enjoys it. Your fighting a battle that has man created.
Good luck trying to sell it to me. Yeah, the trinity doesn't save people. That is my overall point in general. Whether you believe it is true, or not, it doesn't effect the relationship one has with Yahavah, and fellowship with Yahavah, and the Son of GOd.
praise_yeshua
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Yeah. man made talking points. You're following them. Read this verse. Expand your knowledge.
Jhn 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
Did Jesus lie?
praise_yeshua
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Why would God save someone that devalues His Son? Just asking....
Jesus saves. You will go to Him or you will not know the Father.
Did Jesus lie?
25 “Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father. 26 In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. 27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. 28 I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”
29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”
31 “Do you now believe?” Jesus replied. 32 “A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me.
33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
What makes you think I do not value Jesus?
praise_yeshua
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God tasted death. The body of Christ was left in a tomb. Perfectly preserved until that body was once again joined in Christ.
Divine power manifest in the death of Jesus Christ. Get it right.
civic
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no one knows the name but HIMSELF
There is no way, God ever died.
And, when Jesus handed everything back over to his Father, Jesus continued to be subjected to him.
The Heavenly Warrior Defeats the Beast
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:king of kings and lord of lords.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
praise_yeshua
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Why are repeating verses back to me that you don't believe. Jesus said clearly that he was not alone. Read it again.
You devalue Christ by insisting He is less than the Father.
BTW. Are you both a father and and son? If you were, then look at your son and tell him how much better you are than him. Go for it.
How can you say I do not believe in them?
God was in Christ. I do not see how I am devaluing Jesus at any rate... except for your assuming I devalue him.
What?
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