Did God ( Christ ) die ?

[civic]

and their erroneous sin nature doctrine leads to the erroneous PSA doctrine which leads to the blasphemous idea of a separation between Jesus and the Father which leads to ....
One error of theirs leads to another error, ad infinitum....
What an absolute disaster!

Yes this is yet another example we see when you get the Tri-Unity (Trinity ) wrong it filters down to ones doctrines and the errors pile up upon one another.

 

[GeneZ]

Both @Rockson and I are not confused. Why are you confused? We gave you Biblical passages and you conveniently skipped right over them as if they didn't exist.

There's no doubt that the Holy Spirit was with believers before Pentecost. The problem is that the Holy Spirit was not yet in believers before Pentecost. See John 14:17.

He could not be "with them" unless they had human spirits to connect with spiritually.

There was OT regeneration, and there is the New Creation in Christ regeneration for the Church alone.

OT believers will be resurrected as one God has determined their bodies to be for eternal life on the "new earth.".
NT believers will be resurrected with the same kind of body as the Lord Himself! Bodies of heaven.

Why the same kind of body as the Lord for the Church?
For we (the church) are the Bride of Christ!
We will be "bone of his bones and glorious flesh of His glorious body!"

Both Church and all other believers have received a human spirit as to know God with their souls.
The *indwelling Holy Spirit* is not the same thing as the human spirit.

Can we get that much straight?

 

[GeneZ]

Yes this is yet another example we see when you get the Tri-Unity (Trinity ) wrong it filters down to ones doctrines and the errors pile up upon one another.

You should be working for CNN ot MSNBC. You report with a blind eye bias, and the congratulate each other on the distortion you agree to agree upon. You are so wrong...

 

[armylngst]

Yes, Jesus died, but Romans 8:10 was not about the sins of Jesus, or even born again Christians. We die because ADAM willfully sinned and brought death into the world. Revelation 20: 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

cc: @civic

However, death and hades have not yet been cast into the lake of fire.

Adam willfully sinned and brought death into the world. Jesus defanged death by His death and resurrection. His children no longer face death [separation from God], but only a physical death [separation of the spirit from the body].

Don't leave out Romans 8:11. Jesus did not sin, but bore our sin. Penal substitutionary atonement. The idea that Jesus fulfilled the law of death, by taking upon Himself our death, the penalty for our sin. (Penal just means penalty) Our penalty for our sin was imputed onto Christ. Our death became His death, that His life may become our life. Even Civic should notice I did not invoke wrath once...

 

[civic]

You should be working for CNN ot MSNBC. You report with a blind eye bias, and the congratulate each other on the distortion you agree to agree upon. You are so wrong...

I’m not wrong on the Trinity or deity of Christ . One of us is and it’s not me. I’m historical , orthodox and last but not least biblical.

 

[GeneZ]

and their erroneous sin nature doctrine leads to the erroneous PSA doctrine which leads to the blasphemous idea of a separation between Jesus and the Father which leads to ....
One error of theirs leads to another error, ad infinitum....
What an absolute disaster!

So.... You have no sin nature?

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; ​

for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good ​

I do not find. " Romans 7:18​

Why do you all selectively miss that? You want to.

OK... here come the rationalizers and excuse makers to see how well they can make Romans 7:18 disappear...

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; ​

for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good ​

I do not find. " Romans 7:18​

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Give it a shot boys! See what you can come up with!
Make Romans 7:18 cease being!
Crucify it!!!!!!

Ban me. This place is a morgue.

​

 

[GeneZ]

I’m not wrong on the Trinity or deity of Christ . One of us is and it’s not me. I’m historical , orthodox and last but not least biblical.

You are such a nice boy.....

Now do a curtsy.

now please ban me! This place is apostate to the core!~

 

[praise_yeshua]

You are such a nice boy.....

Now do a curtsy.

now please ban me! This place is apostate to the core!~

Apostate? Geesh.....

What do you do when your wife disagrees with you?

Oh.... I remember. You're one of those people that would never allow such. Not that you understand the difference between compliance and real love.

 

[civic]

You are such a nice boy.....

Now do a curtsy.

now please ban me! This place is apostate to the core!~

I don’t ban people I disagree with lol. this forum doesn’t do that but on very rare occasions. I’ve done it one time.

 

[civic]

Apostate? Geesh.....

What do you do when your wife disagrees with you?

Oh.... I remember. You're one of those people that would never allow such. Not that you understand the difference between compliance and real love.

The irony is that I’m one of the most historical/ orthodox trinitarians on Christian Internet forums as an owner lol. The farthest thing from apostasy within Christendom.

 

[synergy]

He could not be "with them" unless they had human spirits to connect with spiritually.

There was OT regeneration, and there is the New Creation in Christ regeneration for the Church alone.

OT believers will be resurrected as one God has determined their bodies to be for eternal life on the "new earth.".
NT believers will be resurrected with the same kind of body as the Lord Himself! Bodies of heaven.

Why the same kind of body as the Lord for the Church?
For we (the church) are the Bride of Christ!
We will be "bone of his bones and glorious flesh of His glorious body!"

Both Church and all other believers have received a human spirit as to know God with their souls.
The *indwelling Holy Spirit* is not the same thing as the human spirit.

Can we get that much straight?

Listen Gene. This site was named after the Bereans for a reason. Whatever they believed in or they proposed was always validated by looking into their Bibles. We now also have the NT so there is no excuse anymore for anyone spewing out thoughts that were not validated against the Bible first.

I suggest you validate what you wrote with the Bible and attach Bible verse references where you make important assertions. That's the Berean environment that the site owners want to foster here. Is that possible for you? Is that asking for too much from you?

 

[synergy]

So.... You have no sin nature?

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; ​

for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good ​

I do not find. " Romans 7:18​

Why do you all selectively miss that? You want to.

OK... here come the rationalizers and excuse makers to see how well they can make Romans 7:18 disappear...

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; ​

for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good ​

I do not find. " Romans 7:18​

If human nature is sinful then what does that make Jesus who took up the very same human nature we all have?

Newsflash! It's not human nature that sins. People sin.

Our human nature came straight from God. God does not produce sinful anything, let alone a sin nature. Only pagan gods produce sinful things.

As to the verses you quoted, nature is not even mentioned. The term "flesh" in this context is our sinful passions that we all have to guard against.

 

[GeneZ]

Apostate? Geesh.....

What do you do when your wife disagrees with you?

Oh.... I remember. You're one of those people that would never allow such. Not that you understand the difference between compliance and real love.

At least I know I have sin nature.... And, I admit it.

A sin nature that dwells in my flesh. A sin nature that the Holy Spirit will sovereignly override and control
as long I admit my sins when I recognize that I have committed them... 1 John 1:9

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. ​

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and ​

purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make ​

him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.​

​

1 John 1:8-10​

That is why you are apostate. You claim not to have a sin nature, then begin to mock what Jesus needed to endure
to gain us back to where God wants us to live..

You guys read books.. And, dream yourselves into a reality that does not agree with the Word of God.

You can cite the aspects about the Trinity , but do not understand why God is a Trinity...

"But we are orthodox! "

Sure. So are orthodox Jews!

 

[GeneZ]

If human nature is sinful then what does that make Jesus who took up the very same human nature we all have?

READ!!!!!!!!!!

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, ​

but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. " Hebrews 4:15​

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For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, ​

in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest ​

in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of ​

the people. Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, ​

he is able to help those who are being tempted.. Hebrews 2:17-18​

YOU THINK GOD CREATED ADAM WITH A SIN NATURE??????

That God was the author of sin creating Adam that way???


That is the BAM Clique Heresy!

 

[GeneZ]

Newsflash! It's not human nature that sins. People sin.

People who have a sin nature receive temptation from within themselves.

Adam having no sin nature needed Satan to act as an externalized sin nature to tempt him.

If Adam had a sin nature?" He would have grabbed that apple without needing anyone else tempting him.

Who teaches a young child to have a temper tantrum?
His own sin nature brings it about naturally.

 

[civic]

At least I know I have sin nature.... And, I admit it.

A sin nature that dwells in my flesh. A sin nature that the Holy Spirit will sovereignly override and control
as long I admit my sins when I recognize that I have committed them... 1 John 1:9

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. ​

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and ​

purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make ​

him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.​

​

1 John 1:8-10​

That is why you are apostate. You claim not to have a sin nature, then begin to mock what Jesus needed to endure
to gain us back to where God wants us to live..

You guys read books.. And, dream yourselves into a reality that does not agree with the Word of God.

You can cite the aspects about the Trinity , but do not understand why God is a Trinity...

"But we are orthodox! "

Sure. So are orthodox Jews!

I’m so glad I didn’t go to seminary

 

[Johann]

So.... You have no sin nature?

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; ​

for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good ​

I do not find. " Romans 7:18​

Why do you all selectively miss that? You want to.

OK... here come the rationalizers and excuse makers to see how well they can make Romans 7:18 disappear...

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; ​

for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good ​

I do not find. " Romans 7:18​

​

Give it a shot boys! See what you can come up with!
Make Romans 7:18 cease being!
Crucify it!!!!!!

Ban me. This place is a morgue.

​

Stale @GeneZ- it is turning into a circus with play actors.
J.

 

[GeneZ]

I’m so glad I didn’t go to seminary

Neither did I.
I did not attend a seminary (cemetery).

At Bible college we were taught daily the Word of God on an excellent level...
It was a Word of God revival taking place...
We were also taught the needed Biblical principles to know how to seek sound doctrinal understanding.

After graduation by God's grace I located my pastor. I learned about him through someone being critical of him.
For what was being criticized for was something I agreed with. Its ironical how that can work against the critic who others see as a jerk.

My pastor disdained most seminaries, yet he graduated summa cum laude from seminary.
He went there to learn the original languages, not how to become an actor from the pulpit of churchianity.
Wanted the gain more understanding of Greek and Hebrew to avoid the mistakes like you typically make in presumption, because English translations lends themselves too easily to speculation and subjectivity, whereas Greek would be targeting a specific meaning only....
And, you will not get that exactness from your word studies or Lexicons. You must become like one who is fluent in the language to do it correctly

He also disdained most commentaries. Not all. Most.
He loved certain German exegetes because he said they were most exacting in defining what was taking place..
He understood several languages... A real blessing for those who are a serious student of the Word of God.

What you have formed here (out of ignorance) is a mutual admiration society. Some of it is good. Some of it is a self inflicted trap.

 

[GeneZ]

Stale @GeneZ- it is turning into a circus with play actors.
J.

Its always been play actors.

They do not know who their casting director is.

Saying what I just did only makes them feel more determined.
For they can not see beyond themselves.
Its a small world they live in.... And, proud of it..

Pride.....

 

[civic]

Neither did I.
I did not attend a seminary (cemetery).

At Bible college we were taught daily the Word of God on an excellent level...
It was a Word of God revival taking place...
We were also taught the needed Biblical principles to know how to seek sound doctrinal understanding.

After graduation by God's grace I located my pastor. I learned about him through someone being critical of him.
For what was being criticized for was something I agreed with. Its ironical how that can work against the critic who others see as a jerk.

My pastor disdained most seminaries, yet he graduated summa cum laude from seminary.
He went there to learn the original languages, not how to become an actor from the pulpit of churchianity.
Wanted the gain more understanding of Greek and Hebrew to avoid the mistakes like you typically make in presumption, because English translations lends themselves too easily to speculation and subjectivity, whereas Greek would be targeting a specific meaning only....
And, you will not get that exactness from your word studies or Lexicons. You must become like one who is fluent in the language to do it correctly

He also disdained most commentaries. Not all. Most.
He loved certain German exegetes because he said they were most exacting in defining what was taking place..
He understood several languages... A real blessing for those who are a serious student of the Word of God.

What you have formed here (out of ignorance) is a mutual admiration society. Some of it is good. Some of it is a self inflicted trap.

I studied Greek with my pastor who was my next door neighbor that was fluent in 8 languages. I was tutored by him for 2 years one on one. So one can be educated and learn the Bible and hermeneutics outside of seminary and Bible college.