Daniel's 70 weeks and the Messiah

[TomL]

Well then, you disagree not with me but with CLEAR Prophecy of the LORD Jesus Christ.

Mr. Doug Brents erroneously believes Zechariah chapter 14 has already occurred.

Are you also on that misquided assumption?

Amillinialism is just as erroneous as Dispensationalism.

I would lean towards Doug Brent's view and believe the bible prohibits any form of premillennialism.

The return of Christ brings with it universal resurrection, judgment, the assignment of eternal destinies and a new heaven and a new earth so I do niot see any possibility for a future after Christ returns millenium

On the other hand the bible does make it clear Christ has now received a kingdom

Daniel 7:13–14 (NASB 2020) — 13 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a son of man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “And to Him was given dominion, Honor, and a kingdom, So that all the peoples, nations, and populations of all languages Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.

Luke 19:11–12 (ESV) — 11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return.

Ephesians 1:19–23 (ESV) — 19 and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20 that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22 And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.




Are you a historic premillennialist?

 

[Doug Brents]

Simple Truth for Children

Was the United States, (a nation) in existence when Paul said: "because your faith is proclaimed throughout the world" ?
NOPE
There are many other nations that came into existence AFTER the Gospel was proclaimed by the Apostles.

The people who came to this land and established the United States already had the Gospel. And the peoples who were already here had, at some point in the past, received the Gospel (for Scripture says that all the world had received the Gospel before AD62). These peoples' ancestors must have disbelieved the Gospel, or they would have carried it with them when they came to North America from the west.

Mr. Doug Brents erroneously believes Zechariah chapter 14 has already occurred.

Are you also on that misquided assumption?

Amillinialism is just as erroneous as Dispensationalism.

I am not an "amillinnialist" either. I do not really fit in any of the millennial categories, because I do not believe the millennium will occur on Earth. It will be in Heaven, and occur after the tribulation (which we are currently in (and has lasted much longer than 7 years)), but it will happen.

 

[TomL]

The people who came to this land and established the United States already had the Gospel. And the peoples who were already here had, at some point in the past, received the Gospel (for Scripture says that all the world had received the Gospel before AD62). These peoples' ancestors must have disbelieved the Gospel, or they would have carried it with them when they came to North America from the west.

I am not an "amillinnialist" either. I do not really fit in any of the millennial categories, because I do not believe the millennium will occur on Earth. It will be in Heaven, and occur after the tribulation (which we are currently in (and has lasted much longer than 7 years)), but it will happen.

Hmm. That is a rather unusual position I had not heard before

 

[DavidTree]

The people who came to this land and established the United States already had the Gospel. And the peoples who were already here had, at some point in the past, received the Gospel (for Scripture says that all the world had received the Gospel before AD62). These peoples' ancestors must have disbelieved the Gospel, or they would have carried it with them when they came to North America from the west.

I am not an "amillinnialist" either. I do not really fit in any of the millennial categories, because I do not believe the millennium will occur on Earth. It will be in Heaven, and occur after the tribulation (which we are currently in (and has lasted much longer than 7 years)), but it will happen.

NOPE

Many new nations sprang forth since the Gospel was first preached.

How do we know?
JESUS told us so = Matthew 24:14

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come."

 

[TomL]

NOPE

Many new nations sprang forth since the Gospel was first preached.

How do we know?
JESUS told us so = Matthew 24:14

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come."

Is there not an implied assumption in your words that the end Jesus spoke involves some future end of the world

 

[Doug Brents]

NOPE

Many new nations sprang forth since the Gospel was first preached.

How do we know?
JESUS told us so = Matthew 24:14

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come."

LOL, it does not matter that new nations have sprung up. New nations are formed from the people in existing nations (they don't just spring out of the ground), and if the Gospel had been preached to the people of the former nation, then the Gospel had already been preached to the newly formed nation. So if the Gospel had been preached to all nations as early as AD62, then that prophecy has already been fulfilled, and is no longer a barrier to the coming of the Lord.

 

[DavidTree]

Is there not an implied assumption in your words that the end Jesus spoke involves some future end of the world

Is there not a DIRECT PROPHECY from the LORD telling us of the DURATION of the GOSPEL = YES

Is the GOSPEL being preached to ALL Nations one of the 'final signs/prophecies' to be Fulfilled BEFORE His Coming = YES

This is what we call a 'no-brainer' = This Gospel will be preached in all the world to all nations and then the end will come"

The LORD clearly stated this throughout the Gospel.

 

[DavidTree]

LOL, it does not matter that new nations have sprung up. New nations are formed from the people in existing nations (they don't just spring out of the ground), and if the Gospel had been preached to the people of the former nation, then the Gospel had already been preached to the newly formed nation. So if the Gospel had been preached to all nations as early as AD62, then that prophecy has already been fulfilled, and is no longer a barrier to the coming of the Lord.

Is there not a DIRECT PROPHECY from the LORD telling us of the DURATION of the GOSPEL = YES

Is the GOSPEL being preached to ALL Nations one of the 'final signs/prophecies' to be Fulfilled BEFORE His Coming = YES

This is what we call a 'no-brainer' = This Gospel will be preached in all the world to all nations and then the end will come"

The LORD clearly stated this throughout the Gospel.

Doug, you obviously cannot SEE very far down the Road which the LORD JESUS prophesied of.
For according to your analysis,(unbelief) "the END" spoken of by the LORD came about as early as AD62.
Yet, hear we are and the GOSPEL continues to be preached throughout, reaching the nations.

LOLx100 is on you friend

 

[Doug Brents]

Is there not a DIRECT PROPHECY from the LORD telling us of the DURATION of the GOSPEL = YES

Where is the prophecy that gives a "duration of the Gospel"? I would love to read such a prophecy.

Is the GOSPEL being preached to ALL Nations one of the 'final signs/prophecies' to be Fulfilled BEFORE His Coming = YES

Yes, it is one of the final signs leading up to the end. And since Scripture says that it has been fulfilled (in all the passages that have already been shown to you), we can know for certain that we are living in the last days, and that the end could come at any time.

This is what we call a 'no-brainer' = This Gospel will be preached in all the world to all nations and then the end will come"

The LORD clearly stated this throughout the Gospel.

Doug, you obviously cannot SEE very far down the Road which the LORD JESUS prophesied of.
For according to your analysis,(unbelief) "the END" spoken of by the LORD came about as early as AD62.
Yet, hear we are and the GOSPEL continues to be preached throughout, reaching the nations.

LOLx100 is on you friend

There is nothing in that verse that says that the end will come immediately upon the Gospel being preached to all the world. No, the Gospel will be preached to all the world and after that, at some point, the end will come. The end could come a minute later, or it could come 100,000 years later, but it will come "later", after the Gospel has been preached to all the world.

 

[TomL]

Is there not a DIRECT PROPHECY from the LORD telling us of the DURATION of the GOSPEL = YES

Is the GOSPEL being preached to ALL Nations one of the 'final signs/prophecies' to be Fulfilled BEFORE His Coming = YES

This is what we call a 'no-brainer' = This Gospel will be preached in all the world to all nations and then the end will come"

The LORD clearly stated this throughout the Gospel.

In the context of Mat 24:14

it is not the end of the gospel age in view

Matthew 24:1–3 (ESV) — 1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” 3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

 

[DavidTree]

In the context of Mat 24:14

it is not the end of the gospel age in view

Matthew 24:1–3 (ESV) — 1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” 3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

it is not the end of the gospel age in view

It MOST certainly is

This is what we call a 'no-brainer' = "This Gospel will be preached in all the world to all nations and then the end will come"

Another 'no brainer '= “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Children's Bread= All that the LORD says in Matthew 24 are Prophetic = Past Present and Future all the Way to Matt 24:29-31

 

[TomL]

It MOST certainly is

This is what we call a 'no-brainer' = "This Gospel will be preached in all the world to all nations and then the end will come"

Another 'no brainer '= “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Children's Bread= All that the LORD says in Matthew 24 are Prophetic = Past Present and Future all the Way to Matt 24:29-31

Um saying it is a no brainer is not exactly proof

The context is

Matthew 24:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 Jesus left the temple area and was going on His way when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2 But He responded and said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.” 3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

 

[DavidTree]

Um saying it is a no brainer is not exactly proof

The context is

Matthew 24:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 Jesus left the temple area and was going on His way when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2 But He responded and said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.” 3 And as He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

The destruction of the Temple in 70AD = CHECK

Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Since that is the "beginning" where is the END?

Oh, i found it - here it is:
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

and the LORD gave us MORE:
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

and MORE:
For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now,
and never to be seen again.

and MORE:
If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

and FINALLY:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.'

At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[TomL]

The destruction of the Temple in 70AD = CHECK

Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come.
Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Since that is the "beginning" where is the END?

Oh, i found it - here it is:
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

and the LORD gave us MORE:
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

and MORE:
For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now,
and never to be seen again.

70 A.D.

Luke 21:5–24 (KJV 1900) — 5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake. 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19 In your patience possess ye your souls. 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

and MORE:
If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

still 70 a.d.

and FINALLY:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.'
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

70 A.d.

Matthew 24:29–35 (KJV 1900) — 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Coming’s/coming in the clouds figurative language for judgment and/or enthronement
Matthew 16:27,28; 10:23; 26:64; Isaiah 19:1; 31:4; 66:15
Matthew 16:28 (ESV) — 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Not the second coming compare with Daniel 7:13
Daniel 7:13–14 (ESV) — 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.


Compare with Christ’s statement to the high priest

Matthew 26:64 Mark 14:62


Matthew 26:64 (ESV) — 64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Mark 14:60–62 (ESV) — 60 And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, “Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?” 61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”




Coming’s/coming in the clouds Matthew 16:27,28; 10:23; 26:64; Isaiah 19:1; 31:4; 66:15



All these things will come upon this generation.

Not the second coming compare with Daniel 7:13



Compare with Christ’s promise to those living at that Time

Matthew 16:28



Jehovah rides the clouds

Isaiah 19:1; PSALMS 18:7-11; 97:2,3; 104:3; Nah 1:2-8; Jeremiah 4:13; Joel 2:1, 2; Zeph 1:14-15

 

[DavidTree]

70 A.D.

Luke 21:5–24 (KJV 1900) — 5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake. 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19 In your patience possess ye your souls. 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.




still 70 a.d.

70 A.d.

Matthew 24:29–35 (KJV 1900) — 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Coming’s/coming in the clouds figurative language for judgment and/or enthronement
Matthew 16:27,28; 10:23; 26:64; Isaiah 19:1; 31:4; 66:15
Matthew 16:28 (ESV) — 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Not the second coming compare with Daniel 7:13
Daniel 7:13–14 (ESV) — 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.


Compare with Christ’s statement to the high priest

Matthew 26:64 Mark 14:62


Matthew 26:64 (ESV) — 64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Mark 14:60–62 (ESV) — 60 And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, “Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?” 61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”




Coming’s/coming in the clouds Matthew 16:27,28; 10:23; 26:64; Isaiah 19:1; 31:4; 66:15



All these things will come upon this generation.

Not the second coming compare with Daniel 7:13



Compare with Christ’s promise to those living at that Time

Matthew 16:28



Jehovah rides the clouds

Isaiah 19:1; PSALMS 18:7-11; 97:2,3; 104:3; Nah 1:2-8; Jeremiah 4:13; Joel 2:1, 2; Zeph 1:14-15

You believe that JESUS came back and fulfilled Matthew chapter 24?

 

[TomL]

You believe that JESUS came back and fulfilled Matthew chapter 24?

Not the second advent which is still future

he came to the father and received his kingdom

Daniel 7:13–14 (ESV) — 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

He also "came" in judgment upon Jerusalem

God is said to come in any outpouring of divine power

Prophetic language clouds are portends of judgment

Isaiah 19:1 (ESV) — 1 An oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the LORD is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.

Psalm 18:7–11 (ESV) — 7 Then the earth reeled and rocked; the foundations also of the mountains trembled and quaked, because he was angry. 8 Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him. 9 He bowed the heavens and came down; thick darkness was under his feet. 10 He rode on a cherub and flew; he came swiftly on the wings of the wind. 11 He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him, thick clouds dark with water.

Psalm 97:2 (ESV) — 2 Clouds and thick darkness are all around him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Jeremiah 4:13 (ESV) — 13 Behold, he comes up like clouds; his chariots like the whirlwind; his horses are swifter than eagles— woe to us, for we are ruined!

Zephaniah 1:14–15 (ESV) — 14 The great day of the LORD is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the LORD is bitter; the mighty man cries aloud there. 15 A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,


Christ noted

Matthew 16:28 (ESV) — 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Matthew 23:36 (ESV) — 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Matthew 24:34 (ESV) — 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

 

[DavidTree]

Not the second advent which is still future

he came to the father and received his kingdom

Daniel 7:13–14 (ESV) — 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.

He also "came" in judgment upon Jerusalem

God is said to come in any outpouring of divine power

Prophetic language clouds are portends of judgment

Isaiah 19:1 (ESV) — 1 An oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, the LORD is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; and the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.

Psalm 18:7–11 (ESV) — 7 Then the earth reeled and rocked; the foundations also of the mountains trembled and quaked, because he was angry. 8 Smoke went up from his nostrils, and devouring fire from his mouth; glowing coals flamed forth from him. 9 He bowed the heavens and came down; thick darkness was under his feet. 10 He rode on a cherub and flew; he came swiftly on the wings of the wind. 11 He made darkness his covering, his canopy around him, thick clouds dark with water.

Psalm 97:2 (ESV) — 2 Clouds and thick darkness are all around him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.

Jeremiah 4:13 (ESV) — 13 Behold, he comes up like clouds; his chariots like the whirlwind; his horses are swifter than eagles— woe to us, for we are ruined!

Zephaniah 1:14–15 (ESV) — 14 The great day of the LORD is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the LORD is bitter; the mighty man cries aloud there. 15 A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness,


Christ noted

Matthew 16:28 (ESV) — 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Matthew 23:36 (ESV) — 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Matthew 24:34 (ESV) — 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

he came to the father and received his kingdom

13“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,a coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Just to clarify, you believe Daniel 7:13-14 has already taken place = YES?

 

[TomL]

13“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,a coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Just to clarify, you believe Daniel 7:13-14 has already taken place = YES?

Yes absolutely

 

[DavidTree]

Yes absolutely

Do you follow Watchtower/jehovah witness?

 

[Doug Brents]

13“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,a coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Just to clarify, you believe Daniel 7:13-14 has already taken place = YES?

When do you think the Kingdom of God began? Or do you think it still has not yet begun? If so, when do you think it will begin?