Diserner
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I think most people start with the decree of Artaxerxes in 457 B.C. because it lines up so nice and perfect.
Could it be happening now ?
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I think most people start with the decree of Artaxerxes in 457 B.C. because it lines up so nice and perfect.
Azriel
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Looks like we have oneSounds good to me go for it... rapture thread it is
Truther
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He is incorrect in many areas. He is even saying, Jerusalem reigns over the king of the earth. It was Rome.
civic
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I hadn't heard of Jerusalem being the city that rules the earth before but I did understand his angle.
Truther
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Stretch
I am quite sure there isn't a generation that goes by without seeing "signs of the end times". In fact, wouldn't it be true that every generation has them? Stephen had "end times" that were pretty bad. My grandmother lived in Nebraska through the dust bowl and WW2. They all just knew it was the "end times" with many of this world's religions teaching just that. Before that, there were several religions which prophesied of the Christ's return based on world affairs in the 1800's.
Jesus Himself said the Kingdom of God had come upon them in His Time. John 7: 6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
And what if a man dies before the Christ comes back? Is this not this man's "End time"? Shall He not always be ready to "meet his maker" as it is often said? And what is the difference between me dying, and the Christ returning? What becomes of this world to a person who dies?
1 Pet. 3: 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Think about this. What happens to all my worldly possessions at my death? My business, friends, family, wife, wealth, etc. It's GONE at my death, according to what is written. Someone else takes over possession of everything. The ground gets my body. My unconscious spirit returns to God who gave it. The only thing preserved by God for judgment, is my works. Paul understood this.
2 Cor. 5: 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present (alive) or absent (dead), we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
The Author of 1 Peter understood this.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
These men are talking about their time on earth. And each person, Jew or Gentile, has this life to, as Paul teaches, "Repent, Turn to God, do works worthy of repentance".
So I do believe the Christ is coming back, and that there is an "END" of Time as we know it. But if I die one week before HE comes back, or one Century before HE comes back, what difference does it make regarding the manner of persons I ought to be?
For this reason, I don't get caught up in the events of this world, or this world's religious prophesies and warnings about the "End Times". Because "My Time is always ready" in that death comes as a thief in the night. And there is no Praising God in death.
Diserner
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How do you personally keep from becoming less spiritually alert over time.
praise_yeshua
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Curious about this statement.... Can you elaborate?
praise_yeshua
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I don't personally wake up every day with the "It could be today" approach. It might would help. Not saying it wouldn't.
dwight92070
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1 Thessalonians 4:14-17
"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus."
"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
THE 2ND COMING AND THE RESURRECTION AND THE RAPTURE ALL OCCUR SIMULTANEOUSLY
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up (rapturo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord."
THE UNBELIEVING DEAD ARE ALSO RAISED AT THE SAME TIME, THE 2ND COMING
John 5:28-29 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment."
So the 2nd coming of Christ occurs, then the resurrection of both believers and unbelievers, then the rapture of believers, all occurring on the same day - the last day. So the Bible says nothing about a "secret" rapture 7 years before the 2nd coming.
So we need to go by what the Bible says, not David Jeremiah, or Jack Hibbs, or John Nelson Darby.
"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus."
"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
THE 2ND COMING AND THE RESURRECTION AND THE RAPTURE ALL OCCUR SIMULTANEOUSLY
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up (rapturo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord."
THE UNBELIEVING DEAD ARE ALSO RAISED AT THE SAME TIME, THE 2ND COMING
John 5:28-29 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment."
So the 2nd coming of Christ occurs, then the resurrection of both believers and unbelievers, then the rapture of believers, all occurring on the same day - the last day. So the Bible says nothing about a "secret" rapture 7 years before the 2nd coming.
So we need to go by what the Bible says, not David Jeremiah, or Jack Hibbs, or John Nelson Darby.
Doug Brents
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You're asking if the increase in these disasters is forecasting the end of the world/second coming? Yes, and no. Yes, these events, and wars, rumors of wars, and the like will increase before the end. However, these events have ebbed and flowed over time since AD70. I do not believe that there will be any significant or predictive increase just before the end. There will be no indication to us that the end is coming (Revelation 16:15, Matthew 24:43, 1 Thessalonians 5:2). The world is ripe for the second coming now, and has been since AD70. And it will remain ripe, in a state of anticipation and readiness, until He comes again, but there will be no warning.
civic
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Do you think modern day Israel back in the land plays any role in end time events ?
dwight92070
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Exactly, there's no scripture telling us that there is a 2000 year gap before the 70th week. Darby made that up, just like he made up a "secret" rapture 7 years before the 2nd coming, and named it the 7-year tribulation. There's no scripture for those either. The crucifixion of Jesus was in the middle of the 70th week. That left 3 1/2 years of the 70th week, which would be the 3 1/2 years right after the cross. The scripture doesn't say exactly what occurred during that time or at the end of that time. But that doesn't really matter, the important thing is that the 70 weeks were completed without any gaps.
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civic
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Lots of theologians equate weeks with 1000 years. And even Days with 1000 years. Creation 7 days and 7000 years for mankind before the end. We are at 6000 now leaving 1000 for the millennium.
Diserner
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I was with you except the axe and two .38s. Felt like some legalism.
Grace ambassador
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Amen! When I lay my head down I'm thankful for the Greatest Day of my life ever, and:
I know that when I awake - it Will Be 'The Greatest Day of my life Ever,' Especially IF I:
Wake Up In God's Great GloryLand! ♫ ↑ 
Amen!
EclipseEventSigns
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Sure. One of the issues is that one chart can't possibly explain all the intricate parts that are going on. So I'll have to post more charts. But only 3 of many.
The interpretation this chart represents meets the Ezra 6:14 Challenge.
1. The literal command/promise of God that Ezra lists occurred before any of the following decrees by earthly kings. It happened in 587 BC as Jeremiah records in Jer 32 & 33. Specifically using the key words "sub" and "bana" like Gabriel told Daniel to look for. He found this in Jeremiah 33:7. Jeremiah records 2 dates to tie this prophecy to a very specific year.
2. The word "dabar" used in the 70 Weeks prophecy in Daniel 9:24 refers to God's words, not a decree by a king. This is consistent with Daniel's usage of the word throughout his writings.
3. The text in the original Hebrew refers to two messiahs. In verse 25, the first is God's messiah, King Cyrus. As Isaiah records in Isaiah 44:24-28, 45:1-7. Then in verse 26, the second is the messiah who was "cut off", making a new covenant which is what the term means.
4. The first 7 Weeks have a very specific purpose. God made His promise that Jerusalem would be returned to and be rebuilt in 587 BC. 7 Weeks or 49 years later was 538 BC. That year, God's messiah, Cyrus, issued a decree allowing those very things. Does that mean Jerusalem was rebuilt starting that year? No. That's not what the text says. The rebuilding of the city would be done all through the 62 Weeks as the text states.
5. The text in the original Hebrew specifies 3 very distinct and separate groups of Weeks. But what no one has yet realized is that there are also gaps between the Weeks. 2 Gaps. And each Gap is itself a Group of Weeks. An unstated Group of Weeks. The first is 14 Weeks (or 98 years). The second is approaching 290 Weeks (or 2030 years).
6. This interpretation addresses all of the reasons that Gabriel gave for the 70 Weeks. It's not about Christians. It's not about denominations. It's not about mystical meanings of the numbers. It's treats the text literally. The years are literal years. Not 360 day "prophetic" years. The pattern ("vision") that Gabriel tells Daniel to understand provides for exact start and end for each of the 3 Groups of years.
That's how this interpretation meets the Challenge. I have yet to come across another interpretation that satisfies all these facts about the Prophecy.
The 62 Weeks. The start was in 440 BC. This is after the decree of Artaxerxes in his 20th year which is the only decree allowing for the rebuilding of the city and the walls by Nehemiah. But logistically, Nehemiah could not organize settlers, get the required wooden beams cut and delivered and make the long trek between April and late July of the same year. Impossible. Josephus agrees with this and records that Nehemiah arrived in Jerusalem in 440 BC. 434 years later is 6 BC - the birth of messiah Jesus. And "after" those 62 Weeks, He was cut off, Himself becoming the sacrifice of the New Covenant.
This chart doesn't illustrate the full picture of eschatology. So these next 2 charts need to be included. It would take lots more text to develop. That's why I make videos to explain it all. Check those out before responding that "I'm wrong".
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Truther
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Acts 2:38 is Grace.
Diserner
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There's some strong logical arguments for a gap between 69 and 70.
I read it that way before I even heard of Darby or futurism.
