Could it be happening now ?

[Rockson]

I find this interesting from Got Questions. @Rockson


Sometime after Jesus was born (Matthew 2:1a), magi (Gr. magos) from the east came to Jerusalem to find that King (Matthew 2:2a). Tradition tells us that the wise men may have been three in number, that they were from three different nations, and other interesting embellishments, but the biblical text simply records that these wise men were from the east (Matthew 2:1), and they all seemingly came from one country (Matthew 2:12). The magi journeyed west to find the prophesied King because they saw His star in the east (Matthew 2:2).

The magi recognized that the star they saw signified that the King of prophecy had arrived. They followed the star to Bethlehem until it was directly overhead the Christ Child’s location (Matthew 2:9). They “rejoiced exceedingly with great joy” when they saw the star above (Matthew 2:10, ESV), and they came to the house where Mary and Jesus were.

Upon entering the house the star had led them to, the magi presented their gifts to Jesus and began to worship Him. They had met the One they recognized as the King of the Jews and the fulfillment of prophecy (Matthew 2:2, 11).

In contrast to the magi’s reaction to the birth of Christ is that of King Herod (the Roman-appointed ruler in Jerusalem). Herod heard that the magi had come to Jerusalem looking for the King of the Jews. He reached out to them secretly to inquire when they had first seen the star in the east (Matthew 2:7). He then tried to deceive them into thinking that he also wanted to worship this newborn King, but God warned the magi of Herod’s deception. Rather than report Jesus’ location back to Herod, the magi went home another route (Matthew 2:12).

Matthew does not make it clear whether the star the magi saw in the east is the same star predicted through Balaam, but there was a star predicted to rise in Israel, and that star would be associated with the King (Numbers 24:17). The magi rightly calculated that the particular star they saw from the east would lead them to the King of the Jews. Perhaps God communicated something directly to them (as He did in Matthew 2:12). Perhaps they also knew of Daniel’s prophecy concerning the timing of the King’s birth (Daniel 9:25). Perhaps they just recognized a connection to Balaam’s prophecy. In any case, the magi got it right: they were guided by “His star in the east,” and they arrived at the exact place where the newborn King of the Jews was staying.

Yeah very good Civic. Yeah I have no problem with anyone believing it was a star of how we think of stars today. That's fine we just know whatever it was it lead them to the house. Now I know they didn't have subdivisions of houses like we think of today. But if some ball of light...star or whatever was so low to the ground it was over a house I find that interesting.

I've had a number of things I've always thought I'd like to see if we were allowed to go back in time. My list would be different I think then many Christians. Many might focus on seeing Jesus actually perform miracles and that would be neat. Mine is a little different.

One I'd like to see the Red Sea split with Israel going through on dry ground. I'd have my measuring tape to see how high were those walls of water on both sides of them. And just where exactly that location was....interesting youtube videos on that. Not important but I do find interesting.

Second I'd like to see the resurrection of Jesus where the angel came down and rolled the stone away from the tomb....and the Roman guards scared out of their wits....it says an earthquake took place and the power and God's glory in the event was way beyond what any Jesus movie has even got close to the truth of. And I've always thought I'd like to see what they were seeing with the Star of Bethlehem.

That's not important either as long as we all know it was some type of illumination in the sky that did what Matt 1 states. But interesting.

 

[Hosanna]

I found this in my files and thought it might be Interesting.

We must remember that prophecy is important to God and He desires us to understand His plan for the future. There are more than nine hundred prophecies in the Bible concerning the second coming of Jesus Christ—nearly three times as many compared to His first coming! In the Bible, God has taken great care to communicate this to us in a way we can understand.

Jesus tells us to keep our eyes open so we are not fooled by the signs indicating that the End Times are near. As we get closer to the End Times, many people are going to claim to be the Messiah and claim to have the answers for a troubled world. Additionally, the book of Revelation tells us to expect a period of ceaseless, unending, terrible war. It appears that we are already preparing for this time as fifty percent of all research scientists today are involved in arms development and there is at least one military weapon and four thousand pounds of explosives for every man, woman, and child on earth.

As we can plainly see, there will be more and more disease and devastation. Today millions of people in the world are being afflicted by insufficient food, the spread of new diseases, and the devastating effects of natural disasters. As we get closer to the End Times, there will be more and more famine. There will also be an increase in earthquakes and natural disasters. Christ also spoke of pestilence: the spread of new diseases. Our world will experience a spate of tragic new diseases that we will be unable to control.

Book of signs by David Jeremiah

 

[civic]

Yeah very good Civic. Yeah I have no problem with anyone believing it was a star of how we think of stars today. That's fine we just know whatever it was it lead them to the house. Now I know they didn't have subdivisions of houses like we think of today. But if some ball of light...star or whatever was so low to the ground it was over a house I find that interesting.

I've had a number of things I've always thought I'd like to see if we were allowed to go back in time. My list would be different I think then many Christians. Many might focus on seeing Jesus actually perform miracles and that would be neat. Mine is a little different.

One I'd like to see the Red Sea split with Israel going through on dry ground. I'd have my measuring tape to see how high were those walls of water on both sides of them. And just where exactly that location was....interesting youtube videos on that. Not important but I do find interesting.

Second I'd like to see the resurrection of Jesus where the angel came down and rolled the stone away from the tomb....and the Roman guards scared out of their wits....it says an earthquake took place and the power and God's glory in the event was way beyond what any Jesus movie has even got close to the truth of. And I've always thought I'd like to see what they were seeing with the Star of Bethlehem.

That's not important either as long as we all know it was some type of illumination in the sky that did what Matt 1 states. But interesting.

Yes good ones you picked. I would also like to be with Peter,James and John at the Transfiguration and to be there at the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 occurred when the Holy Spirit was poured out.

 

[Rockson]

Everyone who makes predications when the end times will occur should first look at all of the other predictions that people have made, explain why those people thought that their predictions would be correct, explain the error in their reasoning that made their predictions incorrect, and explain why their predictions are correct where the predictions of so many others have been incorrect, and if they do that first, then it might be worth watching their video.

I think this has being going on for thousands of years. People create their charts and think they've got Jesus coming figured out. Since my time became a Christians in 76.....oh so many charts people have had and they end up saying later that they never did say as an absolute they were right.....but just food for thought. Thing is though people spend a lot of time thinking about and meditating in their chart only to find it needs filed under G. Still not opposed to one creating some chart but sad if they take it too seriously.

 

[dwight92070]

Yes thats my biggest problem is spiritualizing all the literal prophecies in scripture, peoples and places.

So even if Paul "spiritualized" certain prophecies, you will insist on taking them literally? What do you do with these verses? Galatians 6:15-16 "For neither is circumcisions anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God."
Are you going to insist, using literal interpretation, that Paul is speaking only of Israel here, or do you see the obvious spiritualizing that Paul is using - calling the church, both Jew and Gentile - the Israel of God?
Paul is speaking to Gentile believers, the Galatians, so he is obviously including them in the Israel of God.

 

[Diserner]

The End of America in 2017

They deleted the video out of shame.

 

[civic]

I think this has being going on for thousands of years. People create their charts and think they've got Jesus coming figured out. Since my time became a Christians in 76.....oh so many charts people have had and they end up saying later that they never did say as an absolute they were right.....but just food for thought. Thing is though people spend a lot of time thinking about and meditating in their chart only to find it needs filed under G. Still not opposed to one creating some chart but sad if they take it too seriously.

Yes there has to be some room there without setting a date. We can know when its near but not the day/hour.

 

[civic]

So even if Paul "spiritualized" certain prophecies, you will insist on taking them literally? What do you do with these verses? Galatians 6:15-16 "For neither is circumcisions anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God."
Are you going to insist, using literal interpretation, that Paul is speaking only of Israel here, or do you see the obvious spiritualizing that Paul is using - calling the church, both Jew and Gentile - the Israel of God?
Paul is speaking to Gentile believers, the Galatians, so he is obviously including them in the Israel of God.

And he also in Romans 9-11 makes the disctinction between his brethren the Jews/ Israel and the church. And that God has a different plan, place and time for them while the gentiles have been grafted in, the times of the gentiles will be fulfilled and God will resume with the natiion of Israel in their land during the time of Jacobs ( Israels ) trouble. The Great Tribulation.

 

[civic]

I found this in my files and thought it might be Interesting.

We must remember that prophecy is important to God and He desires us to understand His plan for the future. There are more than nine hundred prophecies in the Bible concerning the second coming of Jesus Christ—nearly three times as many compared to His first coming! In the Bible, God has taken great care to communicate this to us in a way we can understand.

Jesus tells us to keep our eyes open so we are not fooled by the signs indicating that the End Times are near. As we get closer to the End Times, many people are going to claim to be the Messiah and claim to have the answers for a troubled world. Additionally, the book of Revelation tells us to expect a period of ceaseless, unending, terrible war. It appears that we are already preparing for this time as fifty percent of all research scientists today are involved in arms development and there is at least one military weapon and four thousand pounds of explosives for every man, woman, and child on earth.

As we can plainly see, there will be more and more disease and devastation. Today millions of people in the world are being afflicted by insufficient food, the spread of new diseases, and the devastating effects of natural disasters. As we get closer to the End Times, there will be more and more famine. There will also be an increase in earthquakes and natural disasters. Christ also spoke of pestilence: the spread of new diseases. Our world will experience a spate of tragic new diseases that we will be unable to control.

Book of signs by David Jeremiah

I like David Jeremiah. Also before the war breaks out and all hell is loosed we will have a time of peace and safety for 3 1/2 years. Then sudden destruction will fall upon all mankind as the wrath of God is poured out with all the world wide plagues that will makes the ones that took place in Egypt look small in comparison.

 

[Diserner]

Live like it's tomorrow—but never accept that anyone knows.

 

[civic]

Live like it's tomorrow—never accept that anyone knows.

Live like its today. for tomorrow will take care of itself- seek first His Kingdom, righteousness. Imminent is now.

 

[Diserner]

Live like its today. for tomorrow will take care of itself- seek first His Kingdom, righteousness. Imminent is now.

NO, TODAY MAY NOT FINISH—LIVE LIKE IT'S RIGHT NOW!

YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THE NEXT 10 MINUTES BROTHER, DON'T BE PRESUMPTUOUS!

 

[civic]

NO, TODAY MAY NOT FINISH—LIVE LIKE IT'S RIGHT NOW!

YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE THE NEXT 10 MINUTES BROTHER, DON'T BE PRESUMPTUOUS!

Even better !!!

 

[dwight92070]

Peter told us that the earth will be burned up on the day of the Lord, which we know is the 2nd coming of Christ. But did he forget that there has to be a 1000 year millennium before the earth is destroyed?

 

[civic]

Peter told us that the earth will be burned up on the day of the Lord, which we know is the 2nd coming of Christ. But did he forget that there has to be a 1000 year millennium before the earth is destroyed?

it depends on ones view on the millennium if you are amil, pre, post mil.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Everyone who makes predications when the end times will occur should first look at all of the other predictions that people have made, explain why those people thought that their predictions would be correct, explain the error in their reasoning that made their predictions incorrect, and explain why their predictions are correct where the predictions of so many others have been incorrect, and if they do that first, then it might be worth watching their video.

Very true. There are endless arguments over every single detail. That's why in my work, I try to drill down to the essentials, the bedrock that various interpretations are based on. Trying to get to indisputable facts which can be determined.

The first video of my 7 part series on the 70 Weeks specifically addresses the most common interpretation of the 70 Weeks - the one by Anderson/Hoehner. I show undeniable evidence that their system can't possibly be correct. Using math. And by historical evidence that Nisan 1 could never happen in early March like they claim/assume. That entire interpretation and prophetic system breaks down from its first assumption.

And this is also why I have introduced the Ezra 6:14 Challenge. This is a set of at least 6 facts about the 70 Weeks prophecy that every potential interpretation has to address honestly and explain in order to be considered a viable interpretation.
1. Ezra 6:14 says there were 4 commands given. Not just the 3 by Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes. Ezra says God issued the very first literal command.
2. Some Bible translations use the word "decree" for the Hebrew "dabar". Daniel never uses this word to refer to a decree of an earthly king.
3. The original Hebrew text does not differentiate between capital and lower case letters. Neither does it have punctuation. Any Bible translation that capitalizes "Messiah" and "Prince" is ADDING to the Bible their own prophetic bias.
4. There are 3 Groups of Weeks. What is the purpose of the first 7 Weeks?
5. The original Hebrew text has "and" between 7 Weeks and 62 Weeks. Remember, there is no punctuation and the word "and" is used to separate sentences. But many people are ignorant of this fact and simply combine the 7 and the 62 together to come up with 69 weeks. But later, the text states 1 Week "and" half the week. Why don't people do the same here and combine those together to come up with 1 1/2 weeks? Obviously, that would mean there would be 70 1/2 weeks which is not correct. So they must explain why they are not consistent with their interpretation.
6. There are 2 words that show up multiple times. "Sub" and "bana". "To return" and "to rebuild". Specifically connected with Jerusalem. All through Daniel 9, he references Jerusalem. The whole chapter kicks off with what Daniel recognized in Jeremiah about Jerusalem. Gabriel gives Daniel a play on words and tells him to go back to Jeremiah to find where God issued a command using those specific words "sub" and "bana" and the start of the entire 70 Weeks.

So again, unless a potential interpretation can accurately address all those facts, it does not meet the Ezra 6:14 Challenge. And ultimately, the proper interpretation will recognize that the fulfillment of the 70 Weeks timeline coincides with the Day of the Lord. And it also provides for a very specific timeline revealing potentially very significant upcoming years.

Here's a more detailed list:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/finally-the-correct-interpretation-of-the-70-weeks-prophecy-in-daniel.171/post-6194

And the latest video:

 

[dwight92070]

Jesus also calls His 2nd coming the last day. If it's the last day, then how can there be any days after that, much less 1000 years?

 

[dwight92070]

it depends on ones view on the millennium if you are amil, pre, post mil.

No, the chronology of the events, and the events themselves, should never depend on our view. It's the other way around. Our view should depend on the what the Bible says about the events and their chronology.

 

[Lily]

Scripture says there is a special reward for those “who have loved His appearing”: “Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.” 2 Timothy 4:8

There will be a crown given to those who look forward to our Lord’s return. Frankly, I don’t see many people doing that these days. It isn’t fashionable to talk about the Second Coming.

 

[civic]

No, the chronology of the events, and the events themselves, should never depend on our view. It's the other way around. Our view should depend on the what the Bible says about the events and their chronology.

Do you agree with this sequence ?

The current heavens and earth have long been subject to God’s curse because of mankind’s sin. All creation “has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth” (Romans 8:22) as it awaits the fulfillment of God’s plan and “the children of God to be revealed” (verse 19). Heaven and earth will pass away (Mark 13:31), and they will be replaced by the new heavens and the new earth. At that time, the Lord, seated on His throne, says, “I am making everything new!” (Revelation 21:5). In the new creation, sin will be totally eradicated, and “there shall be no more curse” (Revelation 22:3, NKJV).

The new heaven and new earth are also mentioned in Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:22, and 2 Peter 3:13. Peter tells us that the new heaven and new earth will be “where righteousness dwells.” Isaiah says that “the former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.” Things will be completely new, and the old order of things, with the accompanying sorrow and tragedy, will be gone.

The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will be similar to our current earth, but without the curse of sin. It will be earth as God originally intended it to be. It will be Eden restored.

A major feature of the new earth will be the New Jerusalem. John calls it “the Holy City . . . coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband” (Revelation 21:2). This glorious city, with its streets of gold and pearly gates, is situated on a new, glorious earth. The tree of life will be there (Revelation 22:2). This city represents the final state of redeemed mankind, forever in fellowship with God: “God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. . . . His servants will serve him. They will see his face” (Revelation 21:3; 22:3–4).

In the new heavens and new earth, Scripture says, there are seven things notable for their absence—seven things that are “no more”:
• no more sea (Revelation 21:1)
• no more death (Revelation 21:4)
• no more mourning (Revelation 21:4)
• no more weeping (Revelation 21:4)
• no more pain (Revelation 21:4)
• no more curse (Revelation 22:3)
• no more night (Revelation 22:5)

The creation of the new heavens and new earth brings the promise that God “will wipe every tear from their eyes” (Revelation 21:4). This event comes after the tribulation, after the Lord’s second coming, after the millennial kingdom, after the final rebellion, after the final judgment of Satan, and after the Great White Throne Judgment. The brief description of the new heavens and new earth is the last glimpse into eternity that the Bible gives.got?

hope this helps !!!