Christ paid our sin debt

[TomL]

See if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

Forgiveness and payment are not the same thing

 

[brightfame52]

Forgiveness and payment are not the same thing

See if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

 

[TomL]

See if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

You found nothing but assumption

The bible teaches forgiveness of sin not payment for sin for the saved

 

[brightfame52]

You found nothing but assumption

The bible teaches forgiveness of sin not payment for sin for the saved

See if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

 

[TomL]

See if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

Once again

You found nothing but assumption

The bible teaches forgiveness of sin not payment for sin for the saved

 

[brightfame52]

Once again

You found nothing but assumption

The bible teaches forgiveness of sin not payment for sin for the saved

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

 

[TomL]

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

Forgiveness and payment are not consistent

 

[Joe]

The substitutionary death of Christ, do you believe in it ?

I believe that Jesus Christ willingly died as a sin offering for my sins, and by doing so, I am purified from sin and justified-declared blameless by God upon my calling out to Him in faith.

For instance the wages for sin which is Death Rom 6:23 that Christ to our place and paid the wage of Death that our sin incurred ? So those He died for have no wage of death to pay Rom 6:23, its paid in full. God is satisfied with the full payment of the our debt, dont have to die for our sins.

Jesus Christ did not pay the wages. The one who is due wages does not pay them but receives them, so you can stop saying He paid the wages if you want to be accurate about what the Apostle Paul stated; "For the wages of sin is death"

But what our Lord did pay is a ransom price with His own blood to release us from death and the grave (Hosea 13:14) to purchase us for God (Acts 20:28). This is why He is referred to as our Redeemer; the one who pays the price of redemption/ransom for our freedom.

He gave up His sinless life as an offering for our sin, and in His offering, God laid upon Him the sins of us all; that His Son's death would be the atoning sacrifice that one receives by faith. We are "justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus".

God Bless

 

[brightfame52]

Forgiveness and payment are not consistent

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

@Joe

I believe that Jesus Christ willingly died as a sin offering for my sins, and by doing so, I am purified from sin and justified-declared blameless by God upon my calling out to Him in faith.

Thats works salvation conditioned on keeping the law of faith

Jesus Christ did not pay the wages.

Thats like saying He didn't die for sin Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. So Christ for His Elect /Sheep, Church paid the wages of Death. Is simple Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life

 

[TomL]

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

This remains true

Forgiveness and payment are not consistent

 

[brightfame52]

This remains true

Forgiveness and payment are not consistent

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

 

[TomL]

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

In other words such a verse does not exist in scripture, and you just assume your view

 

[brightfame52]

In other words such a verse does not exist in scripture, and you just assume your view

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

 

[TomL]

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture.

n other words such a verse does not exist in scripture, and you just assume your view

 

[brightfame52]

n other words such a verse does not exist in scripture, and you just assume your view

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture

 

[TomL]

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isnt found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture

As was you told, you just assume your view as it is nowhere taught in scripture

 

[brightfame52]

As was you told, you just assume your view as it is nowhere taught in scripture

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isn't found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture. You reject a simple vital Gospel truth, Jesus was charged/accounted with the sin debt of His Sheep, its called imputation. The word impute/ logizomai means :

To reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over

1. to take into account, to make an account of
   
   1. metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute

So He had a debt He had to pay, Heb 2:17

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

behoved opheilō Him means :

1. to owe
   1. to owe money, be in debt for
      1. that which is due, the debt

Christ for His Sheep owed a debt of death in the place of his sheep, for their sins. Its a blessing God accepted His Payment of Death on their behalf, and you seem to reject the Truth of it.

 

[TomL]

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isn't found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture. You reject a simple vital Gospel truth, Jesus was charged/accounted with the sin debt of His Sheep, its called imputation. The word impute/ logizomai means :

To reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over

1. to take into account, to make an account of
   
   1. metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute

So He had a debt He had to pay, Heb 2:17

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

behoved opheilō Him means :

1. to owe
   1. to owe money, be in debt for
      1. that which is due, the debt

Christ for His Sheep owed a debt of death in the place of his sheep, for their sins. Its a blessing God accepted His Payment of Death on their behalf, and you seem to reject the Truth of it.

One has to note you do not have a single verse which actually states what you believe

Therefore your belief is extra biblical.

 

[brightfame52]

One has to note you do not have a single verse which actually states what you believe

Therefore your belief is extra biblical.

if one says something that may not be literally stated in scripture, and yet it still finds agreement with scripture, its the same. Like the word Trinity isn't found in scripture, yet it agrees with scripture. You reject a simple vital Gospel truth, Jesus was charged/accounted with the sin debt of His Sheep, its called imputation. The word impute/ logizomai means :

To reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over

1. to take into account, to make an account of
   
   1. metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute

So He had a debt He had to pay, Heb 2:17

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

behoved opheilō Him means :

1. to owe
   1. to owe money, be in debt for
      1. that which is due, the debt

Christ for His Sheep owed a debt of death in the place of his sheep, for their sins. Its a blessing God accepted His Payment of Death on their behalf, and you seem to reject the Truth of it.