Only 144,000 are bought from the Earth= the first resurrection. That began after Rev 6:2 occurred. Here in these last days. The rest get resurrected here-Rev 20
Christ paid our sin debt
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civic
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no once again that is the misguided teaching of the JW's, not what the bible teaches.
you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.
the fact is the 144k are JEWS from the 12 tribes of Israel, not gentiles.
no JW's could qualify as one of the 144k since Jews reject the teachings of the JW's.
I posted in detail both Paul's words in romans 3, and David, who Paul quoted. I'm not sure how ignoring what is actually written leads to God's Truth but to each his own. Nevertheless, of the Generation of the Righteous, "Whose refuge is the Lord", neither Paul, His God, His Lord and Savior, nor any of the Prophets of Disciples, ever teaches of the "Body of Christ", the "Church of God";
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Paul doesn't teach this about men who have "Yielded themselves" servants to God and have become servants of God's Righteousness. These men are NOT "Still under Sin" as you and this world's religious system teaches. Please read what is actually Inspired by God in your own bible.
Yes, God, Jesus and the man Paul, that God gave to Jesus, all pointed out that all men have sinned, and that all men must repent and turn to God, both Jew and Gentile. But of those men who deny themselves, and become a "Doer" of Christ's sayings, these men, as Paul teaches,
Rom. 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became "the servants of righteousness". 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Your adopted religion teaches that "NO MAN" has EVER followed Paul teaching. And that the entire Church of God, "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
This was true for those who had adopted the religious sect of the Pharisees, and perhaps for the religion you have adopted, as you so vehemently declare. But it's not true for the members of the Church of God. At least, that wasn't what Paul and David is teaching, as I clearly pointed out by posting, not my words, or even my opinion, but by posting their words.
Why not actually examine what is written and make your case.
This entire religion is founded on the teaching that this describes "all the human race, of everyone". That "all the human race, of everyone" trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others, "not just "those dirty sinners over there." This means Abel, Noah, Caleb, Shadrack, Rehab, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, Cornelious, Paul, Matthew and the entire list of Faithful men in Hebrews 11, "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood:"
What I pointed out to you in your own Bible, is that David and Paul do not teach this philosophy.
It is you who are promoting the religious philosophy that the Generation of the righteous doesn't exist, and that of the "Servants of God's Righteousness", "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood:"
And because I know this is not Jesus' Teaching, or Paul's, and am pointing this out to you in detail from your own Bible, for Love of the brethren, you slander me personally as a "self-righteous, prideful man going to hell"?
Is this the works of the "New Man" Paul promoted and pressed towards?
Yes, Paul's sin was not removed, or he was not "made righteous", by taking a goat to the Levite Priest and killing it, as per the Law. (The Pharisees were still promoting this Priesthood, not accepting God's New High Priest)
Paul repented, turned to God and brought forth "works" worthy of repentance. And he "put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness".
Of the sinner who has put on this NEW MAN, Paul said, "Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil."
The "new man" is no longer a man in whom "Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood:"
It is a wicked and deceitful philosophy to preach to others that God, through His instruction and His Son's Sacrifice, was not capable of bringing even ONE man into His Righteousness. Paul doesn't teach this Philosophy, and David didn't either. It's right there in your own Bible, along with the warnings about being deceived by "many" who come in Christ's Name.
All I advocated for in my post was to examine and believe what Paul and David were teaching. Why not discuss their God inspired words, instead of trying to make it about me personally?
DavidTree
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You are the one calling God a liar - almost daily on here..........!!!
civic
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Not from the text in revelation. The trib is for the Jews to bring them back to their Messiah. They will recognize Him whom they have pierced at His Coming when He destroys the great armies who come against Israel.
They are Gods chosen. The Jewish religion is cut off( Matt 23:38)--John had no idea what they would be called here in these last days, thus he referred to Israel, just meaning Gods chosen= spiritual Israel.
God will show the world different.
They are the little flock( Luke 12:32)--Yes some ex Jewish and gentiles.
DavidTree
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TRUTH begins in Genesis
Elohim BUILDS Upon His TRUTH = "no other foundation........then the WORD that was Elohiom......Lord Jesus Christ"
Revelation is the culmination of the TRUTH that Begins in Genesis and His Revealing in the Gospel, the Apostles and last - Revelation.
Have you forgotten this = "IAM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End"
The Symbolic 144k is in Genesis, if you are in the KNOW of the HOLY SPIRIT
The FATHER is not looking for 144k Jews but HE is looking for the Bride of CHRIST = Jew & Gentile = One New Man
FYI - PURE CRYSTAL GOLD
a.) There does not exist in all of scripture a single prophecy of pre-trib rapture.
b.) There does not exist in scripture a single prophecy of a literal 144k Jews converted to evangelize the world.
c.) a literal 144k Jews is a main element from the lie of pre-trib rapture - error begets more error
Galations 3: 27-29--- ALL who put on Christ are Abrahams offspring)))= spiritual Israel. Literal Israel is cut off( Matt 23:38) Revelation speaks of spiritual Israel.
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