Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.
Peter, when he made his confession of faith into who Christ is, Jesus said this:

Matt 16 16-17

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

So again, Faith in Christ is not of ourselves, its the Gift of God

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

why do you oppose scripture

 

[brightfame52]

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

why do you oppose scripture

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.
Peter, when he made his confession of faith into who Christ is, Jesus said this:

Matt 16 16-17

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

So again, Faith in Christ is not of ourselves, its the Gift of God

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.
Peter, when he made his confession of faith into who Christ is, Jesus said this:

Matt 16 16-17

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

So again, Faith in Christ is not of ourselves, its the Gift of God

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

why do you oppose scripture

 

[dwight92070]

Man is made a New Creation by Christ. Thats what His Saving a Person is all about. Everyone He died for shall be made a New Creation, His Death accomplished that. Isa 43:7

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Actually He died for the whole world, but not all will be part of the new creation, only those who repent and put their faith in Him.
1 John 2:2 "... and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world."

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The bible is clear man is made a new creation in Christ

2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV) — 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Calvinism however contrary to scripture holds God regenerates a man making him as new creation apart from a union with Christ

"Regeneration" is a word that has a completely different definition in Calvinism. it's NOT Salvation, but a twilight state necessary to get you there.

 

[civic]

"Regeneration" is a word that has a completely different definition in Calvinism. it's NOT Salvation, but a twilight state necessary to get you there.

Exactly brother !

It’s word salad

 

[TomL]

"Regeneration" is a word that has a completely different definition in Calvinism. it's NOT Salvation, but a twilight state necessary to get you there.

And is apart from a union with Christ

 

[brightfame52]

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

why do you oppose scripture

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

2 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[civic]

children of WRATH just like the rest of humanity. children of the devil serving the god of this world.

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

why do you oppose scripture

 

[brightfame52]

@dwight92070

Actually He died for the whole world,

False witnessing.

 

[brightfame52]

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

why do you oppose scripture

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

So why are you unable to address rebuttal?

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why do you deny scripture?

 

[TomL]

@dwight92070


False witnessing.

Scripture you can't deal with

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Scripture you can't deal with

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Your god is a massive underachiever. His will is for all (all means all) men to be saved, but He can't seem to accomplish it, because man's will trumps His will. Which is why you believe in a man-centered man-created theology, oops, I mean anthropology.

 

[TomL]

Your god is a massive underachiever. His will is for all (all means all) men to be saved, but He can't seem to accomplish it, because man's will trumps His will. Which is why you believe in a man-centered man-created theology, oops, I mean anthropology.

That is not dealing with the scriptures

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/calvinism-makes-man-a-new-creation-apart-from-christ.1488/post-75403

 

[brightfame52]

So why are you unable to address rebuttal?

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why do you deny scripture?

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture you can't deal with

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

That was a false witness statement !

 

[TomL]

That was a false witness statement !

Sorry scripture is believable. Your word is not

Scripture you can't deal with

1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.