not arbitrarily
Calvinism : = Hellish
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Bob Carabbio
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Yup - Calvinism teaches "UNCONDITIONAL" which would be "Arbitrary" (although they deny that).
Romans 9 only says that God shows mercy to "Some", and hardens others.
It's all unimportant anyway. A person doesn't know before the fact that they're elect, and neither does the evangelist. ALL Born Again CHRISTIANS are "elect", since they wouldn't BE Christians otherwise.
Calvinism does, the bible does not
It makes a big difference in the gospel you preach
jeremiah1five
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Gentile is a non-Hebrew, non-covenant person.
ALL the three covenants are with a people known as Hebrews.
Or children of Israel (Mosaic) and the House of Israel (New.)
Jesus died to save His people (Matt. 1:21.)
Let's not add or change the bible.
You ignored the fact the rejected were also of the same ethnicity
and that gentiles participate in the new covenant being
Ephesians 2:11–19 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
jeremiah1five
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Post the Scripture of God including Gentiles in the Abrahamic, Mosaic, and New Covenants.
The New covenant
and I already did
Ephesians 2:13–20 (NASB 2020) — 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone,
add this
Galatians 3:14–29 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
jeremiah1five
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That's not a covenant.
THIS is a covenant: Notice who's making it and with whom and take notice of the language:
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:7.
Is there anything in the so-called New Testament Scripture God saying anything like this or resembling this?
Sorry but the gentiles received covenant promises given to Abraham and partook of the New covenant
civic
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Great it also did not ensure all physical descendants of Abraham would be in the covenant
koberstein
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But they are
The Rogue Tomato
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Yeah, it's arbitrary. I heard God spins a "wheel of salvation" and has mercy on whomever it lands.
Bob Carabbio
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Sounds like "Typical Theology".
civic
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agreed thats calvinism as they have no clue who is or is not elect and who can receive the gospel.
its a crap shoot, a roll of the dice.
Not if you believe scripture
Romans 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Romans 11:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
koberstein
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Romans 9:6
But the present condition from Isra'el does not mean that the Word of God has failed.
For not everyone from Isra'el is truly part of Isra'el.
Romans 11:20
True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However,
you keep your place only because of your trust. So don't be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified!
Messianic Jewish Version
This is God's purpose in Israel's history.
You probably need to junk your KJV.
But the present condition from Isra'el does not mean that the Word of God has failed.
For not everyone from Isra'el is truly part of Isra'el.
Romans 11:20
True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However,
you keep your place only because of your trust. So don't be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified!
Messianic Jewish Version This is God's purpose in Israel's history.
You probably need to junk your KJV.
koberstein
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The correct theology is the Olive Tree Theology.
koberstein
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You might have better luck buying a lottery ticket.
Um your version says nothing different except it has added a couple of words to the text not in the originalRomans 9:6
But the present condition from Isra'el does not mean that the Word of God has failed.
For not everyone from Isra'el is truly part of Isra'el.
Romans 11:20
True, but so what? They were broken off because of their lack of trust. However,
you keep your place only because of your trust. So don't be arrogant; on the contrary, be terrified!
This is God's purpose in Israel's history.
You probably need to junk your KJV.
paraphasing it
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