Calling on the Name of The Lord

[civic]

Only the regenerate have saving faith.

Only those who believe become regenerate . cart before the horse

 

[praise_yeshua]

If you regenerate you will hear.

Paul didn't say a single thing about this requirement. Not one. Prove it.

 

[brightfame52]

No one is saved, born again, regenerated prior to faith

hope this helps !!!

Wrong, prior to regeneration one is in the flesh, and consequently cant please God with Faith, its not possible. Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[civic]

Wrong, prior to regeneration one is in the flesh, and consequently cant please God with Faith, its not possible. Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Man has flesh before and after conversion it doesn’t go away .

Are you sinless ? Yes or no

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[brightfame52]

Paul didn't say a single thing about this requirement. Not one. Prove it.

If one isnt regenerate they are in the flesh, and Paul wrote about them Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[brightfame52]

Man has flesh before and after conversion it doesn’t go away .

Are you sinless ? Yes or no

Next

They who are in the flesh, the unregenerate cannot please God.

 

[Rockson]

Only the regenerate have saving faith.

I'd say that would be like saying you have a map which helps you and aids you to get to your destination but you're already at your destination so you don't need the map anyway.

 

[praise_yeshua]

If one isnt regenerate they are in the flesh, and Paul wrote about them Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Okay. We were talking about requirements. There is no reference to a regeneration before hearing a preacher.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'd say that would be like saying you have a map which helps you and aids you to get to your destination but you're already at your destination so you don't need the map anyway.

Great example!

 

[civic]

Okay. We were talking about requirements. There is not reference to a regeneration before hearing a preacher.

Yes its entirely made up. As we know Jesus on numerous occasions told those He saved and healed that YOU FAITH HAS SAVED YOU, not the faith I gave you and regenerated you with before you believed and were saved/healed.

 

[Fred]

A lexicon is not Scripture.

Your opinion of what the words mean are not Scripture.

You are so focused on what happened with Cornelius

Because this event is referred to a least three times in The Book of Acts alone.
That you do not make it your focus is at odds with what the Bible (in just one book) does.

you ignore the rest of what Scripture says on this subject.

False. Wrong.

I have shown that both words and phrases from this event are used elsewhere in the Bible which demonstrates these Gentiles were saved before their water baptism.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What about the sinners prayer? Do we call upon the name of the Lord in it?

Here's an example: "God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!"

Do you think that could be considered calling on the name of the Lord?

I understand that the biblical method of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Salvation is gained by faith (Ephesians 2:8), by receiving Jesus as Savior (John 1:12), and by fully trusting Jesus alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12), not by reciting a prayer.

Salvation is gained by receiving the gift God offers us, not by praying a certain prayer, but can prayer be involved when we are receiving that gift?

I would like to stick with the OP and not go down the Regeneration trail.

I would say that the "sinner's prayer" is an appeal for help. In such, it qualifies for "calling on the name of the Lord". Salvation is established in the name of the Lord.

I don't like ritual but to me, sincerity is more important than what you say. I've been bad at asking for help in my life. I'm glad God understood me regardless of how I "worded" a request.

I don't think prayer is like "Wheel of Fortune" ..... where they deny you the solution because you misspoke.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I would also look to passages like Acts 22:16 and Heb 5:9.
Calling on the name of the Lord must include taking actions of obedience that show Him as your Lord. If you do not obey Him, then He really isn't your Lord, no matter how much or how ardently you proclaim it so.

Isn't obedience "confessing" the Lord Jesus Christ?

 

[Doug Brents]

Its the regenerated who call upon the Lord in Rom 10 and its the regenerate who are being drawn by Christ in Jn 12, in fact drawing is regeneration

If that were the case, then everyone was regenerated, because Jesus drew ALL men to Himself when He was crucified (unless you believe that Jesus was wrong in John 12:32.

 

[praise_yeshua]

If that were the case, then everyone was regenerated, because Jesus drew ALL men to Himself when He was crucified (unless you believe that Jesus was wrong in John 12:32.

In my view, this is fulfilled in the preaching of the completed Gospel.

 

[Fred]

Isn't obedience "confessing" the Lord Jesus Christ?

Yes (2 Corinthians 9:13).

 

[Doug Brents]

Was anyone saved by Paul’s preaching and teaching ?

By his preaching alone? No, but by his preaching and being baptized? Absolutely. 1 Cor 1:14 and 16 says that Paul preached to, and baptized, Crispus and Gaius, ... [and] the household of Stephanas also". And in Acts 16:32-33, the jailer and his household heard the preaching of Paul and were baptized into Christ by Paul.

 

[civic]

By his preaching alone? No, but by his preaching and being baptized? Absolutely. 1 Cor 1:14 and 16 says that Paul preached to, and baptized, Crispus and Gaius, ... [and] the household of Stephanas also". And in Acts 16:32-33, the jailer and his household heard the preaching of Paul and were baptized into Christ by Paul.

He said that he was glad he did not baptize anyone yet they were saved.

Hmmmmm

 

[Doug Brents]

I believe we should be water baptized. Probably faster than a lot of churches do it.....Some say next month we're having a water baptism service.....I think it should be quicker but I don't believe you're not saved until you are. Water baptism is a sign of an inward grace that has already happened. We could say a person did actually get saved when they were baptized for that's the point where they accepted Christ but a person can have eternal life imparted to their spirits before they are.

Please show me where in Scripture you find what I bolded in your comment above; I cannot find it anywhere.

To say one absolutely has to be water baptized to be saved is to say the thief on the cross didn't really go to paradise with Jesus.

That is not accurate, in that Jesus had the power and authority to forgive sin, and grant salvation to anyone during His life (Luke 5:24). But after His death, His Will (last will and testament) cannot be changed (Heb 9:16-28). So Jesus, before He died, had the authority to tell the thief that he was forgiven. But after Jesus died, everyone else must abide by the commandment He gave in Mark 16:16 and Matt 28:19 that says that only those who are baptized will be saved.

 

[praise_yeshua]

By his preaching alone? No, but by his preaching and being baptized? Absolutely. 1 Cor 1:14 and 16 says that Paul preached to, and baptized, Crispus and Gaius, ... [and] the household of Stephanas also". And in Acts 16:32-33, the jailer and his household heard the preaching of Paul and were baptized into Christ by Paul.

Do you see not being baptized as being a disqualifying act of disobedience or do you actually believe in baptismal regeneration?