Calling on the Name of The Lord

Doug Brents said:
When Jesus was lifted up (on the cross when He died), He called/drew everyone to Himself, therefore all have been called, and given the opportunity and ability to seek Him and find Him (John 12:32).
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Same with the call in Salvation, its to the saved , those whom He has saved and the Spirit has regenerated and given Spiritual ears.
 
Tranquil said:
Regeneration is the work of God through the Holy Spirit within a person who has “saving faith,” in which a new nature is given that makes the person capable of accepting the gospel.

Saving faith comes first.
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Faith comes from having been regenerated, its the fruit of the Spirit. A spiritually dead person cant hear spiritually and has no faith. They cant do anything to please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. all the unregenerate are in the flesh friend.
 
What about the sinners prayer? Do we call upon the name of the Lord in it?

Here's an example: "God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!"

Do you think that could be considered calling on the name of the Lord?

I understand that the biblical method of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Salvation is gained by faith (Ephesians 2:8), by receiving Jesus as Savior (John 1:12), and by fully trusting Jesus alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12), not by reciting a prayer.

Salvation is gained by receiving the gift God offers us, not by praying a certain prayer, but can prayer be involved when we are receiving that gift?

I would like to stick with the OP and not go down the Regeneration trail.
 
brightfame52 said:
Same with the call in Salvation, its to the saved , those whom He has saved and the Spirit has regenerated and given Spiritual ears.
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You miss the significance of that passage. It is not just the saved, the “elect”, that he drew to Himself, but all mankind, all men, everyone who has ever lived has been called and drawn to Him. No one has an excuse for not responding, because everyone has the ability to respond.
 
Nadab said:
What about the sinners prayer? Do we call upon the name of the Lord in it?

Here's an example: "God, I know that I am a sinner. I know that I deserve the consequences of my sin. However, I am trusting in Jesus Christ as my Savior. I believe that His death and resurrection provided for my forgiveness. I trust in Jesus and Jesus alone as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Lord, for saving me and forgiving me! Amen!"

Do you think that could be considered calling on the name of the Lord?

I understand that the biblical method of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16 tells us, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Salvation is gained by faith (Ephesians 2:8), by receiving Jesus as Savior (John 1:12), and by fully trusting Jesus alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12), not by reciting a prayer.

Salvation is gained by receiving the gift God offers us, not by praying a certain prayer, but can prayer be involved when we are receiving that gift?

I would like to stick with the OP and not go down the Regeneration trail.
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This is actually what I had in mind when I started this thread. I remember back in the '70s when we would do street Ministry and talk to people about Jesus. Go over the Romans road and ask them if they wanted to become Christians by accepting Jesus as their lord and savior. Then we would lead them in the sinner's prayer.

So what I'm trying to find out did that constitute their calling on the name of the Lord when they said the sinner's prayer or was there more to it than that. Water baptism has been brought up for the remission of sins but I think they were saved the moment they had the faith to believe that Jesus would forgive them right then and there.
 
Richard said:
This is actually what I had in mind when I started this thread. I remember back in the '70s when we would do street Ministry and talk to people about Jesus. Go over the Romans road and ask them if they wanted to become Christians by accepting Jesus as their lord and savior. Then we would lead them in the sinner's prayer.

So what I'm trying to find out did that constitute their calling on the name of the Lord when they said the sinner's prayer or was there more to it than that. Water baptism has been brought up for the remission of sins but I think they were saved the moment they had the faith to believe that Jesus would forgive them right then and there.
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I love the Romans road to salvation, It's an extremely good guideline when witnessing.

The first verse on the Romans Road to salvation is Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” We have all sinned. We have all done things that are displeasing to God. There is no one who is innocent. Romans 3:10-18 gives a detailed picture of what sin looks like in our lives.

The second Scripture on the Romans Road to salvation, Romans 6:23, teaches us about the consequences of sin: “For the wages of sin is death.” The punishment that we have earned for our sins is death. Not just physical death, but eternal death!

The third verse on the Romans Road to salvation picks up in the middle of Romans 6:23: “But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:8 declares, “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Jesus Christ died for us! Jesus’ death paid for the price of our sins. Jesus’ resurrection proves that God accepted Jesus’ death as the payment for our sins.

The fourth stop on the Romans Road to salvation is Romans 10:9, “That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” Because of Jesus’ death on our behalf, all we have to do is believe in Him, trusting His death as the payment for our sins - and we will be saved! Romans 10:13 says it again, “for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal death. Salvation, the forgiveness of sins, is available to anyone who will trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

The final aspect of the Romans Road to salvation is the results of salvation. Romans 5:1 has this wonderful message: “Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” Through Jesus Christ we can have a relationship of peace with God. Romans 8:1 says, “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Because of Jesus’ death on our behalf, we will never be condemned for our sins. Finally, we have this precious promise of God from Romans 8:38-39: “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Would you like to follow the Romans Road to salvation? If so, here is a simple prayer you can pray to God. Saying this prayer is a way to declare to God that you are relying on Jesus Christ for your salvation. The words themselves will not save you. Only faith in Jesus Christ can provide salvation! “God, I know that I have sinned against you and am deserving of punishment. But Jesus Christ took the punishment that I deserve so that through faith in Him I could be forgiven. With your help, I place my trust in You for salvation. Thank You for Your wonderful grace and forgiveness - the gift of eternal life! Amen!”
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brightfame52 said:
Faith comes from having been regenerated, its the fruit of the Spirit. A spiritually dead person cant hear spiritually and has no faith. They cant do anything to please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. all the unregenerate are in the flesh friend.
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Yeah that's why you need that saving faith it'll get you out of that unregenerated flesh. Regeneration is only found in Matthew 19:28 and Titus 3:5. This word literally means "new birth." "You must be born again", That doesn't happen before salvation it's a result of salvation.

God requires all men to repent and turn unto Him (Acts 17:30) before He will or can affect regeneration.
 
Richard said:
I'm curious to know exactly what it is to call upon the name of the Lord. I'm sure we'll all agree the best place to find that information would be in God's word.

But before I start my deep dive into the Bible some verses came to mind that I've read before. The first one is about Bartimaeus the blind beggar who called out to Jesus for mercy and healing. The faith of Bartimaeus is seen in how he addresses Jesus as the Son of God. While the crowd tells the blind man to be quiet, Bartimaeus just became louder! When Jesus tells his disciples to bring the blind man over, a miracle happens because of his faith.

Mark 10:46-52 - And they came to Jericho. And as he was leaving Jericho with his disciples and a great crowd, Bartimaeus, a blind beggar, the son of Timaeus, was sitting by the roadside. And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!" And many rebuked him, telling him to be silent. But he cried out all the more, "Son of David, have mercy on me!" And Jesus stopped and said, "Call him." And they called the blind man, saying to him, "Take heart. Get up; he is calling you." And throwing off his cloak, he sprang up and came to Jesus. And Jesus said to him, "What do you want me to do for you?" And the blind man said to him, "Rabbi, let me recover my sight." And Jesus said to him, "Go your way; your faith has made you well." And immediately he recovered his sight and followed him on the way.

This one from Jeremiah sounds a lot like salvation.

“Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.” – Jeremiah 29: 12-13

For me this is an eternal principle and timeless promise - that the Lord is ever near to all who seek Him, and those that search for Him in truth, are certain of finding Him.

Calling on the name of the Lord is basic for salvation and presupposes faith in the Lord. God promises to save those who, in faith, call upon His name: “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” Romans 10:13

And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, even among the survivors whom the LORD calls. Joel 2:32

Everyone who invokes the name of God for mercy and salvation, by or in the name of Jesus, shall be saved Acts 2:21

“There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved” Acts 4:12
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All of the ways that God is referred to in the Bible describe aspects of His character, so calling on the name of Lord is recognizing who He is and is identifying with His character, which is also the way of salvation. The way to know God is by acting in accordance with His character, which is eternal life (John 17:3), which is also the way that God saves us from sin, which is acting in a way that is contrary to His character.
 
Richard said:
And put on the new nature (the regenerate self) created in God’s image, [Godlike] in true righteousness and holiness
Eph 4:24.

Paul reminds us that “anyone” can do this—there is no difference between Jew and Gentile when it comes to the necessity of Christ’s salvation, nor when it comes to its availability

For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord [invoking Him as Lord] will be saved.
Romans 10:13.

Joel 2:32 also sums up these wonderful truths “Everyone [Jew or Gentile, religious or irreligious, good or bad] who calls on the name of the Lord [recognizing who Jesus is, and our need for him] will be saved [utterly loved, blessed and justified eternally by God].”
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Romans 10:13 is also connected with Romans 10:5-12, which references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey, that obedience to it brings life, and a blessing, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey by confessing that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God raised him from the dead (Titus 2:14). God's law is also His instructions for how to act in accordance with His character, which is why the Bible frequently uses the same terms to describe the character of God as it does to describe the character of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of the law (Matthew 23:23). Romans 10:13 is also connected with Romans 10:14-16, which speaks against those who do not obey the Gospel. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is the way to obey the Gospel. In regard to calling on the name of the Lord, Jesus also asked why people called him Lord, but do not do what he said (Luke 6:46).
 
Fred said:
I cited at least one Greek lexicon, while you cited zero Greek lexicons, so it is you who is playing make believe with what the words of the Bible mean.
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A lexicon is not Scripture. You seem to have more reverence for your lexicons than you do for what Scripture says, as I have pointed out before. Salvation, forgiveness of sins, union with Jesus in His death and resurrection, justification... all these things happen during water baptism as 1 Pet 3:21, Col 2:11-14, Rom 6:1-4, Acts 2:38, and other passages say. You are so focused on what happened with Cornelius (which was a unique event for the Gentiles just as Pentecost was for the Jews, and not precedent setting) that you ignore the rest of what Scripture says on this subject.
 
Richard said:
This is actually what I had in mind when I started this thread. I remember back in the '70s when we would do street Ministry and talk to people about Jesus. Go over the Romans road and ask them if they wanted to become Christians by accepting Jesus as their lord and savior. Then we would lead them in the sinner's prayer.

So what I'm trying to find out did that constitute their calling on the name of the Lord when they said the sinner's prayer or was there more to it than that. Water baptism has been brought up for the remission of sins but I think they were saved the moment they had the faith to believe that Jesus would forgive them right then and there.
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Can a person be saved and still be stained with sin? No. If a person has not been washed clean of their sin, then they have not been saved. So, if sin is washed away during baptism then salvation occurs during baptism, not before. There is absolutely no Scriptural support that I have ever seen, or that anyone who supports the idea has ever been able to present, for the "sinners prayer"; it is not a Scriptural concept. There is nothing wrong with getting someone to the point where they will say a prayer like it, but that just puts them at the point of acknowledging their sin and guilt, but now they need to obey the Gospel and be baptized into Christ in order to receive forgiveness (Acts 2:38), and to be united with Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14). That is what constitutes calling on the name of the Lord, obedience to Him in the things that HE says lead to receiving salvation: belief in Jesus (John 3:16 and many others), repentance (Acts 3:19), confession of Jesus as Lord (Rom 10:9-10), and baptism (in water)(Acts 2:38, 1 Pet 3:21, Mark 16:16, and others).
 
Doug Brents said:
You miss the significance of that passage. It is not just the saved, the “elect”, that he drew to Himself, but all mankind, all men, everyone who has ever lived has been called and drawn to Him. No one has an excuse for not responding, because everyone has the ability to respond.
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Its the regenerated who call upon the Lord in Rom 10 and its the regenerate who are being drawn by Christ in Jn 12, in fact drawing is regeneration
 
Doug Brents said:
Can a person be saved and still be stained with sin? No. If a person has not been washed clean of their sin, then they have not been saved. So, if sin is washed away during baptism then salvation occurs during baptism, not before. There is absolutely no Scriptural support that I have ever seen, or that anyone who supports the idea has ever been able to present, for the "sinners prayer"; it is not a Scriptural concept. There is nothing wrong with getting someone to the point where they will say a prayer like it, but that just puts them at the point of acknowledging their sin and guilt, but now they need to obey the Gospel and be baptized into Christ in order to receive forgiveness (Acts 2:38), and to be united with Jesus' death and resurrection (Rom 6:1-4, Col 2:11-14). That is what constitutes calling on the name of the Lord, obedience to Him in the things that HE says lead to receiving salvation: belief in Jesus (John 3:16 and many others), repentance (Acts 3:19), confession of Jesus as Lord (Rom 10:9-10), and baptism (in water)(Acts 2:38, 1 Pet 3:21, Mark 16:16, and others).
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Was anyone saved by Paul’s preaching and teaching ?
 
Tranquil said:
Yeah that's why you need that saving faith it'll get you out of that unregenerated flesh. Regeneration is only found in Matthew 19:28 and Titus 3:5. This word literally means "new birth." "You must be born again", That doesn't happen before salvation it's a result of salvation.

God requires all men to repent and turn unto Him (Acts 17:30) before He will or can affect regeneration.
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Only the regenerate have saving faith.
 
Doug Brents said:
A lexicon is not Scripture. You seem to have more reverence for your lexicons than you do for what Scripture says, as I have pointed out before. Salvation, forgiveness of sins, union with Jesus in His death and resurrection, justification... all these things happen during water baptism as 1 Pet 3:21, Col 2:11-14, Rom 6:1-4, Acts 2:38, and other passages say. You are so focused on what happened with Cornelius (which was a unique event for the Gentiles just as Pentecost was for the Jews, and not precedent setting) that you ignore the rest of what Scripture says on this subject.
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I believe we should be water baptized. Probably faster than a lot of churches do it.....Some say next month we're having a water baptism service.....I think it should be quicker but I don't believe you're not saved until you are. Water baptism is a sign of an inward grace that has already happened. We could say a person did actually get saved when they were baptized for that's the point where they accepted Christ but a person can have eternal life imparted to their spirits before they are.

To say one absolutely has to be water baptized to be saved is to say the thief on the cross didn't really go to paradise with Jesus.
 

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