Baptism "en" the Holy Ghost

When a person receives the indwelling, yes, they become a Christ Follower and the Holy Spirit (love of God) in their heart.

And this takes place when the Holy Spirit is poured on them (Acts 10:45; Romans 5:5).


But that does not happen just because the Holy Spirit was poured onto them. "All the Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had also been poured out on the Gentiles." The Holy Spirit was poured out ON them, not into their hearts.

Totally wrong.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

The same Greek word for "given" in reference to the Holy Spirit is used for the Gentiles in Acts 11:17 and Acts 15:8.
 
And this takes place when the Holy Spirit is poured on them (Acts 10:45; Romans 5:5).

Totally wrong.

Romans 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

The same Greek word for "given" in reference to the Holy Spirit is used for the Gentiles in Acts 11:17 and Acts 15:8.
He was given, but was He poured onto or into? There is a big difference.

When He enters into, then you have the indwelling and potentially any other gift He chooses to bestow. When He is poured onto, then you have miraculous gifts but not the indwelling.
 
That's just it. There is no evidence for it. Thomas was not there when Jesus spoke the words in John 20:22-23.
But Jesus did see him again before He ascended into Heaven. So for you to say that Thomas did not receive the indwelling before Acts 2:4 is you reading into Scripture your preconception.
 
When He is poured onto, then you have miraculous gifts but not the indwelling.

The above is false.

Titus 3:5-6
renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us

The same Greek word for poured in reference to the Holy Spirit is used in Acts 10:45.

BDAG (3rd Edition): of the Holy Spirit...pour out Ac 2:33, 2:17f; 10:45; Tit 3:6 (ekcheō, page 312).
 
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Both.
God gave these Gentiles the Holy Spirit by pouring Him.
No, He was poured ONTO them, not into.
No mention of the Spirit being received. You are speaking when the Bible is silent = no proof.
Just as you have no proof that he did not receive the indwelling. So it is a moot point. We can only go by what Scripture says, not what we want to push onto what it says.
The above is false.

Titus 3:5-6
renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us

The same Greek word for poured in reference to the Holy Spirit is used in Acts 10:45.
Same Greek word for poured? Completely immaterial. Yes, He was poured, but it is how and why the Spirit was poured that matters. Into us (the indwelling) is for every single believer in Christ. But onto us is for our mission or purpose. Paul and Titus were leaders in the Church. Paul starts the letter to Titus with instruction for the qualifications for appointing elders in each congregation of the Church. He had the Spirit on Him for leadership, teaching, etc. But every believer has the Spirit within Him. Yes, these words are equally applicable to the Church at large, but this was a personal letter first and foremost to Titus.
 
Paul starts the letter to Titus with instruction for the qualifications for appointing elders in each congregation of the Church. He had the Spirit on Him for leadership, teaching, etc. But every believer has the Spirit within Him. Yes, these words are equally applicable to the Church at large, but this was a personal letter first and foremost to Titus.

What?
So Titus didn't have the Spirit in him but on him?

Your false teaching is worse than I thought.
 
Your outlandish theory has zero lexical backing....again.
"Lexical backing"? Is that what we are going with? "Lexical backing"? Seriously?
I have proof that he received the indwelling in Acts 2:4.
You have nothing to refute this.

Nothing = Zero which you love to embrace.
No, there is no "proof" that he received the indwelling in Acts 2:4. It says that everyone there had the Spirit poured "on" them, not into their hearts. Joseph had the Spirit of God (Gen 41:38), Bezalel was filled with the Spirit of God (Exo 31:3), Joshua had the Spirit of God (Num 27:18), Othniel was filled with the Spirit of God (Judges 3:10), Jephthah was filled with the Spirit of God (Judges 11:29), David had the Spirit of God (1 Sam 16:13)(and there are many more), but they did not have the indwelling, because the indwelling was not given until after Jesus was glorified (John 7:39).

Just to have the Spirit of God does not indicate the indwelling.
 
What?
So Titus didn't have the Spirit in him but on him?

Your false teaching is worse than I thought.
Certainly Titus had the Spirit within him. But so does every other person who is in Christ. Titus had a particular gift from the Holy Spirit, and that is what Paul is talking about.
 
"Lexical backing"? Is that what we are going with? "Lexical backing"? Seriously?

No, there is no "proof" that he received the indwelling in Acts 2:4. It says that everyone there had the Spirit poured "on" them, not into their hearts. Joseph had the Spirit of God (Gen 41:38), Bezalel was filled with the Spirit of God (Exo 31:3), Joshua had the Spirit of God (Num 27:18), Othniel was filled with the Spirit of God (Judges 3:10), Jephthah was filled with the Spirit of God (Judges 11:29), David had the Spirit of God (1 Sam 16:13)(and there are many more), but they did not have the indwelling, because the indwelling was not given until after Jesus was glorified (John 7:39).

Just to have the Spirit of God does not indicate the indwelling.
Actually the reception does.

How is it the Jews knew the gentiles had faith, repentance unto life, and had their hearts purified and were candidates for water baptism

Acts 10:45–47 (ESV) — 45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared, 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

Acts 11:15–18 (ESV) — 15 As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

Acts 15:6–9 (ESV) — 6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.

where do you read those things are witnessed by a speaking in tongues?

How does reception of a lesser gift (your view) show worthiness to receive a greater gift?
 
Certainly Titus had the Spirit within him. But so does every other person who is in Christ. Titus had a particular gift from the Holy Spirit, and that is what Paul is talking about.

1. If a person has been given the Holy Spirit, he/she dwells in God.
1 John 4:13
Hereby know we that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He hath given us of His Spirit.

2. Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him were given the Holy Spirit before their water baptism.
Acts 11:16-17 (cf. Acts 15:8)
(16) Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that He said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.
(17) Forasmuch then as God gave them the same gift as He did unto us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ; who was I that I could withstand God?

3. Therefore, Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him dwelt in God before their water baptism.
 
Just to have the Spirit of God does not indicate the indwelling.

It does in the New Covenant.
The examples you gave from the Old Testament in post 172 don't apply because that is not the same covenant.



Were the Gentiles worshiping in the Spirit (Acts 10:46)?
 
Acts 10:47
Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?

Galatians 3:2-3
(2) This only would I learn of you, Receive ye the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by the hearing of faith?
(3) Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit are ye now made perfect by the flesh?


Receiving the Holy Spirit is the beginning of the Christian life.
 
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