Sealed by the baptism en the Holy Ghost

[Tothalordbeallglory]

My understanding exactly.

For i will pour out of MY SPIRIT in those days .........
exactly right my friend . We no longer have to run to the prophet for a word
we no longer have to go to a priest on earth to make intercession for us .
THE SHEEP have THE SPIRIT , and its on every handmaiden and man WHO BELIEVES UPON HIS CHRIST .
NOW raise those hands and praise the glorious KING .
FOR WE HAVE a GREAT HIGH PREIST IN THE HEAVENS who MAKETH INTERCESSION FOR US .
let us learn of HIM , let us learn his words , the words of the apostels
and be reminded of all things in the scriptures . TO the trenches for the hour is very late
and time be running out .

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

If that's true, then everyone under the Law failed.

They have failed. the fact you do not understand this is worrysome.

Jesus is the only one who kept the law

But we have examples of people who DID NOT FAIL under the Law - Zacharias and Elizabeth, the parents of John the Baptist:

Actually yes they did.

"They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord." Luke 1:6

they were not perfect. Jesus is the only one who kept the law.

Philippians 3:6 " ... as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless."

These verses inform us that there were very likely multitudes of persons under the Law who were blameless and righteous in God's eyes.

Possibly Joseph and Mary, Simeon and Anna. Remember God told Elijah that there were 7,000 who had not bowed the knee to Baal - not to mention Elijah himself. Also, look at all the other prophets and the people who obeyed them and some of the Kings of Judah, who were righteous in God's eyes.

God did not give the Law to the Jews, so that they would fail. He expected them to obey it, and multiplied thousands did. However, Hebrews tells us that the New Covenant IS EVEN BETTER THAN THE OLD. So if God expected the Jews to obey the Law, how much more does He expect us (Gentile and Jew), now under the New Covenant, to obey Jesus?

good golly.. No wonder you think you can be good enough to earn salvation.

The law has not led you to Christ yet

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Paul tells us that the Law was a GOOD thing, leading the Jews TO CHRIST.

It was a good thing. But as paul said, they failed

But we are blessed, that it did lead some to christ.

Here we see the pernicious doctrine of dispensationalism.

Jesus told some scribes and Pharisees that they invalidated the word of God for the sake of their traditions. Mark 7:13

Dispensationalists invalidate the word of God for the sake of their man-made false doctrine.

Chris tells us that "forgiveness was conditional in that dispensation" but implies that it is no longer conditional under this current "dispensation of the grace of God." Therefore, by his reasoning, we don't currently have to obey Jesus' words in Matthew 6:14-15, to be forgiven ourselves.

oh wow. you have been fed alot of stuff.

No one was saved by the law. paul makes this clear.

10 or as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 hat the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

You need to do some more study my friend.

don;t attack a doctrine, when you yourself does nto even understand what that doctrine states

This is A LIE. Jesus Himself warned us that if we don't DO what He commands us in the Sermon on the Mount, that we will be like a foolish man building our house on the sand, and it is inevitable that we will fall.

You build your house on your works, you will fail

Build it on the rock (christ) you will stand

Besides that error, it is also false to assume that the time of the gospels, which was all of Jesus' life on earth, was still under the Law - thus invalidating ALL of Jesus' words, consigning them to the Old Covenant - therefore, they say, we don't have to obey His words today! This is blasphemous!

"The Law and the Prophets were until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, ..." Luke 16:16
"For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13

The requirements of the Law ended just before John the Baptist came on the scene. He and Jesus both proclaimed a New Covenant, which was the gospel of Jesus, also called the kingdom of God.

Today, we ARE TO OBEY JESUS' WORDS -ALL OF THEM.

THE LAW NEVER SAVED ANYONE. NO ONE HAS KEPT THE LAW.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

There were multiplied thousands of Jews and Gentile proselytes who kept the Law.

then those people

1. do not need saved
2. Do not need christ
3. have earned their salvation.

once again, You have some studying to do.

James said if we keep the whole law. yet stumble in one point. we are guilty of all

The requirment is perfection.

Many people are seen as righteous based on their faith in God. and when you look. they are righteous people

But when it comes to needing saved. all have sinned and fall short.. ALL

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

It was a good thing. But as paul said, they failed

But we are blessed, that it did lead some to christ.

oh wow. you have been fed alot of stuff.

No one was saved by the law. paul makes this clear.

10 or as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”

13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 hat the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

You need to do some more study my friend.

don;t attack a doctrine, when you yourself does nto even understand what that doctrine states

You build your house on your works, you will fail

Build it on the rock (christ) you will stand

THE LAW NEVER SAVED ANYONE. NO ONE HAS KEPT THE LAW.

THE ONLY ONE who was JUSTIFIED by the law
WAS HE who came to fullfill the law and to bring us the new covenant by which ALL who do beleive
are sealed with that SPIRIT of PROMISE . that works IN US that which is well pleasing to GOD .
THUS my advice to all is HEED the SPIRIT not the flesh .
GOD wont be mocked . The name of JESUS cannot be used as a license to sin .
He who obey is whose we are . TO THE TRENCHES ONE and TO THE TRENCHES ALL
the HOUR IS late and the DOOR WILL SHUT in an hour known to none .
And the cup of the well favored harlot is a cup far too many have been found to be drinking of .
Its false love cup . The love of the world that might talk about doing some good to the poor
BUT HAS TROD JESUS RIGHT UNDER FOOT

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I agree.
Another reason we don't all agree on everything is because of denominations....
Not all denominations teach the same...for the reason you stated above.

I DO find myself debating a word at times...
but, yes, it's due to doctrinal issues.

thats why the word should be the arbitting force. not men.

If we disagree with the word. we have no one to blame but ourselves. if we listen to men and they get it wrong. we fall with them

 

[GodsGrace]

We need BOTH, and more besides those - 2 Peter 1:5-8
"You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 3:18

There are so many verses that support what you're stating that it is impossible to list them all.

My question is this (not to you)
WHY are Christians so afraid of the word WORKS/GOOD DEEDS...when that's all Jesus taught....
WHY are Christians so afraid of verses that state we should beware and hold on to our faith....

I believe this idea of FAITH ALONE, which has crept into the church after the reformation...
has led many into a false gospel.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Because no one has.

because no one could. (well adam and eve could. up until the time they failed.)

Paul spoke of a burden not even the fathers could handle. that burden was tryign to keep the law.

No one except Adam was/is/will be dead in Adam.

In adam all die

these are the words of God.

Original Sin is a ruse. It is a false doctrine.

yet the bible says in adam all die
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 ;For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

The spirit God forms in man is alive and well. It dies in man when he sins. Same as with Adam.

No

the spirit God gave is dead. that's why we need born again..

You were born alienated to God You were not born right with God. God did this for a reason..

 

[GodsGrace]

thats why the word should be the arbitting force. not men.

If we disagree with the word. we have no one to blame but ourselves. if we listen to men and they get it wrong. we fall with them

So who's right EG?

YOU or ME?

Why don't we agree if we're reading the same bible??

And I hope you're OK today, you sounded really off the other day.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

THE ONLY ONE who was JUSTIFIED by the law
WAS HE who came to fullfill the law and to bring us the new covenant by which ALL who do beleive
are sealed with that SPIRIT of PROMISE . that works IN US that which is well pleasing to GOD .
THUS my advice to all is HEED the SPIRIT not the flesh .
GOD wont be mocked . The name of JESUS cannot be used as a license to sin .
He who obey is whose we are . TO THE TRENCHES ONE and TO THE TRENCHES ALL
the HOUR IS late and the DOOR WILL SHUT in an hour known to none .
And the cup of the well favored harlot is a cup far too many have been found to be drinking of .
Its false love cup . The love of the world that might talk about doing some good to the poor
BUT HAS TROD JESUS RIGHT UNDER FOOT

I am sorry brother. But I am having a hard time trying to understand what your trying to say in your posts to me.

 

[GodsGrace]

I am sorry brother. But I am having a hard time trying to understand what your trying to say in your posts to me.

Yeah.
@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY took some getting used to.
but what he states is right on.... or spot on, as we say today.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So who's right EG?

God

YOU or ME?

Why don't we agree if we're reading the same bible??

Because we all have our preconcieved notions of what we think\

the way we are taught
Who taught us
What do we trust in.

Its hard to force your belief system to fit the word. the easiest thing to do is to have a belief system, then study the word to make it fit what you believe.

And I hope you're OK today, you sounded really off the other day.

I have been off for awhile. Tried to answer on phone. but was hard. My puppy has been sick, having surgery today. so have been off a little the last few days. thank you for asking.. God is in control..

 

[GodsGrace]

God

Because we all have our preconcieved notions of what we think\

the way we are taught
Who taught us
What do we trust in.

Its hard to force your belief system to fit the word. the easiest thing to do is to have a belief system, then study the word to make it fit what you believe.


I have been off for awhile. Tried to answer on phone. but was hard. My puppy has been sick, having surgery today. so have been off a little the last few days. thank you for asking.. God is in control..

God bless you EG.
I'm having a procedure tomorrow.
No big deal, but we are in God's hands.
Praise our dear Lord.

 

[GodsGrace]

God

Because we all have our preconcieved notions of what we think\

the way we are taught
Who taught us
What do we trust in.

Its hard to force your belief system to fit the word. the easiest thing to do is to have a belief system, then study the word to make it fit what you believe.

NO.....
We read the word AND THEN come up with a system....
Seems easy enough to me.
I don't know what all the fear is about....
Fear about good works...
fear about losing salvation.

Is our God such a weak God that we need to fear what He taughtJ?

'nuff of this for a while...

I have been off for awhile. Tried to answer on phone. but was hard. My puppy has been sick, having surgery today. so have been off a little the last few days. thank you for asking.. God is in control..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

God bless you EG.
I'm having a procedure tomorrow.
No big deal, but we are in God's hands.
Praise our dear Lord.

Will pray yes we are

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

NO.....
We read the word AND THEN come up with a system....
Seems easy enough to me.
I don't know what all the fear is about....
Fear about good works...

I do not know anyone who fears this.. Been a child of God for 40 years. and never heard of anyone afraid of good works.

fear about losing salvation.

Sadly. I do hear alot of people preach we should fear this..

Is our God such a weak God that we need to fear what He taughtJ?

'nuff of this for a while...

We need to know what he taught.. Sadly, even in my own life. I was led astray for many years..

 

[Jim]

because no one could. (well adam and eve could. up until the time they failed.)

Where do you read in the scriptures that we can't obey God?

Paul spoke of a burden not even the fathers could handle. that burden was tryign to keep the law.

Where did Paul ever say that we couldn't keep the law?

In adam all die

"In Adam" simply means being human. Yes, dying, i.e, dying physically, is a natural part of the creatioin.

yet the bible says in adam all die
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 ;For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive

That is speaking of dying physically and being raisedat the resurrection at the end of the age when Christ returns

No
the spirit God gave is dead. that's why we need born again..

Silly man. God doesn't give us a spirit that is dead. The spirit becomes dead when we sin, just like Adam.

You were born alienated to God You were not born right with God. God did this for a reason..

Wrong!!!!!! we became alienated when we sinned.

 

[Marvelloustime]

THE ONLY ONE who was JUSTIFIED by the law
WAS HE who came to fullfill the law and to bring us the new covenant by which ALL who do beleive
are sealed with that SPIRIT of PROMISE . that works IN US that which is well pleasing to GOD .
THUS my advice to all is HEED the SPIRIT not the flesh .
GOD wont be mocked . The name of JESUS cannot be used as a license to sin .
He who obey is whose we are . TO THE TRENCHES ONE and TO THE TRENCHES ALL
the HOUR IS late and the DOOR WILL SHUT in an hour known to none .
And the cup of the well favored harlot is a cup far too many have been found to be drinking of .
Its false love cup . The love of the world that might talk about doing some good to the poor
BUT HAS TROD JESUS RIGHT UNDER FOOT

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Marvelloustime]

For i will pour out of MY SPIRIT in those days .........
exactly right my friend . We no longer have to run to the prophet for a word
we no longer have to go to a priest on earth to make intercession for us .
THE SHEEP have THE SPIRIT , and its on every handmaiden and man WHO BELIEVES UPON HIS CHRIST .
NOW raise those hands and praise the glorious KING .
FOR WE HAVE a GREAT HIGH PREIST IN THE HEAVENS who MAKETH INTERCESSION FOR US .
let us learn of HIM , let us learn his words , the words of the apostels
and be reminded of all things in the scriptures . TO the trenches for the hour is very late
and time be running out .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY

 

[Marvelloustime]

For finding fault WITH THEM
HE says behold the days cometh wherein i will make a NEW covenant with them .
The blood of bulls and of goats could only cleanse as pertains to the flesh
The BLOOD of CHRIST cleanses even the inner conscious of man .
The old was written on stones carried out by the letter of the law
The new is written on our hearts by THE SPIRIT by which we were sealed after we BELEIVED .
AFTER WE BELIEVED .
And yes GOD has always ordained that we walk in good works and to flee the evil .
ITS JUST NOW we are MADE HIS WORKMAN SHIP UNTO those good works HE had ordained
we walk in . The beauty of the LORD and HIS saving life changing grace of JESUS THE CHRIST .
And its dire necessary in this age TO REMIND EVEN MOST OF CHRISTENDOM
of this fact . ALWAYS remember and let us keep in memory
IF JESUS said it , IT IS TRUTH and meant only for our good , to the good of those who do hear and obey .
The serpent once convinced eve to eat of the tree
the tree of which GOD had said that in the day ye eat thereof ye shall surely die .
HE used a truth he twisted to convince her SHE WOULD NOT DIE , but just become as gods to know good and evil .
BUT THEY DID DIE , yet they did become as gods to know good and evil , JUST as GOD said .
AND since the day they ate of the tree DEATH has passed upon all , for all have sinned .
BUT GOD GAVE US the way out . ONLY TODAY
it seems yet again the serpent is doing all to convince not only the world but most all of chirstendom
that surely ye , surely they , shall not be damned if they believe not .
BUT JESUS SAID THEY WOULD . which one we gonna beleive , JESUS or the serpent who lies .
THAT HAS BEEN my point all along . ITS TIME as children we BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THE LORD
and beware of men for many have surely twisted the scrips unto their own destruction
as well as unto all who sit and sup upon them twisted scrips .

@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY