DavidTree
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We ABSOLUTELY meet the LORD in the air = Acts chapter 1, 1 Thess ch4, 2 Thess ch2, Matt ch24, 1 Cor ch15, 1 John ch1 ch2 ch3
I am heading UP in the air in a little while = but not for any pre-trib rapture................
Augustine's unbiblical doctrine of Amillennialism
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I am heading UP in the air in a little while = but not for any pre-trib rapture................
civic
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If it happens I hope the pilot is an unbeliever
SteveB
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Still sounds like you're saying that it has absolutely nothing to do with the judgment of God on a Christ rejecting world.
Not that Israel is involved.
SteveB
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Ok. So we're not meeting in some secret place?
Flying is not the topic.
Kinda surprised you're able to talk while Flying.
Granted, it's been since 2019 for me, but phones were not allowed .
The Rogue Tomato
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I'm saying scripture treats tribulation and wrath differently. Tribulation is not God's wrath. When the NT saints suffered, that was tribulation. Was that God's wrath? Of course, not.
Scripture repeatedly says we will have tribulation. Scripture also says we are not appointed to wrath. So the great tribulation cannot be wrath, since we are not appointed to wrath.
You ignored the issue put to you
having claimed this was not a coming of Christ
1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 (KJV 1900) — 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
and considering it includes the resurrection of those that are Christ
which is stated to be at his coming
Corinthians 15:22–23 (KJV 1900) — 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
you are caught in a contradiction You need to address before diverting
Will you address it?
Have a safe trip
SteveB
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therefore, the 7 years described in Daniel 9:26-27, Matthew 24, and Revelation are not merely a rough spot in human history.
They are 7 years of absolute hell on earth.
You've conflated the two.
What we who follow Jesus in this life experience is tribulation.
trouble, related directly to following Jesus.
what they will experience in the 7 years is hellacious, violent, crushing events.
Actually, the great tribulation is the wrath of God poured out on a Christ rejecting world.
The suffering experienced by whomever the believers are during that period will be different from what we who live now experience.
Let's see if you can answer this.
What is the Greek word used in the description of Jesus in Matthew 24, for tribulation?
What does that word mean?
SteveB
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Nope. I've ignored you beating a dead horse that's been answered so many times that even the horse knows it's been answered, and it's dead!
Already explained.
You should learn how to properly understand what people post to you, and stop trying to win.
Believe
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But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies. 1 Corinthians 15:51-53
“Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me. There is more than enough room in my Father’s home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am. And you know the way to where I am going.” John 14:1-4
Jesus preparing a place … He will come and get us — we will not be here during the great tribulation.
“Don’t let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, and trust also in me. There is more than enough room in my Father’s home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you? When everything is ready, I will come and get you, so that you will always be with me where I am. And you know the way to where I am going.” John 14:1-4
Believe
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I think you can learn something from just about everybody. Good theology you can learn from some and how to recognize bad theology you can learn from others. You just go do your homework. Digging deeper. Develop your discernment By listening to the Holy Spirit.
I am writing these things to warn you about those who want to lead you astray. But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ. 1 John 2:26-27
I am writing these things to warn you about those who want to lead you astray. But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ. 1 John 2:26-27
The Rogue Tomato
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15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
To whom is Jesus talking and giving these warnings? Objects of wrath? No.
What is the Greek word? It is θλῖψις, the same word translated tribulation in Romans 5:3, which is not addressed to objects of wrath.
3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
The scriptures do not call tribulation wrath. And the only time wrath is prophesied in scripture is here, when Jesus returns in Glory (not in secret):
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the [m]commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the [n]presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Sorry, but that is a fabrication.
You had for the first time claim the harpadzo is not associated with a coming
and I demonstrated today that it has to be associated with a coming for it includes the resurrection of those in Christ
You were caught once again without a defense
SteveB
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Typing words from the alphabet typically does require some level of fabricating. Typically when thought is involved.
I have to read what you fabricate, think about it and then fabricate my own thoughts, and use my fingers to type out letters, which make words, which form sentences, and of course we cannot forget about punctuation... lots of fabricating involved with this.
So... yeah! no
Sherlock! Everything i write is a fabrication. At least I'm telling the truth.
been talking about it for several months now.
You really should read all my fabrications dating back to my return to the updated forum.
no. Actually, you're fabricating your own understanding of God's grace.
That you actually think I require a defense demonstrates to me that you are on the wrong side of the railroad tracks.
BottomlineTyping words from the alphabet typically does require some level of fabricating. Typically when thought is involved.
I have to read what you fabricate, think about it and then fabricate my own thoughts, and use my fingers to type out letters, which make words, which form sentences, and of course we cannot forget about punctuation... lots of fabricating involved with this.
So... yeah! no
At least I'm telling the truth.
been talking about it for several months now.
You really should read all my fabrications dating back to my return to the updated forum.
no. Actually, you're fabricating your own understanding of God's grace.
That you actually think I require a defense demonstrates to me that you are on the wrong side of the railroad tracks.
You claimed the harpadzo was not associated with a coming
I showed otherwise and you were shown to be error
accept the correction
SteveB
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I have accepted the correction.
A long time ago.
It's actually why I don't see any value in talking to you.
You are utterly incapable of accepting any correction whatsoever, and constantly blame others for your own failure.
You demand others take what you refuse to take, and then get whiny when confronted.
Believe
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In MHO As long we're not between the railroad tracks things should work out.Typing words from the alphabet typically does require some level of fabricating. Typically when thought is involved.
I have to read what you fabricate, think about it and then fabricate my own thoughts, and use my fingers to type out letters, which make words, which form sentences, and of course we cannot forget about punctuation... lots of fabricating involved with this.
So... yeah! no
At least I'm telling the truth.
been talking about it for several months now.
You really should read all my fabrications dating back to my return to the updated forum.
no. Actually, you're fabricating your own understanding of God's grace.
That you actually think I require a defense demonstrates to me that you are on the wrong side of the railroad tracks.
civic
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Revelation says it’s Gods wrath several times .
Revelation 6:16 N-GFS
GRK: ἀπὸ τῆς ὀργῆς τοῦ ἀρνίου
NAS: on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;
KJV: and from the wrath of the Lamb:
INT: from the wrath of the Lamb
Revelation 6:17 N-GFS
GRK: μεγάλη τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτῶν καὶ
NAS: day of their wrath has come,
KJV: day of his wrath is come; and
INT: great of the wrath of him and
Revelation 11:18 N-NFS
GRK: ἦλθεν ἡ ὀργή σου καὶ
NAS: were enraged, and Your wrath came,
KJV: and thy wrath is come, and
INT: is come the wrath of you and
Revelation 14:10 N-GFS
GRK: ποτηρίῳ τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτοῦ καὶ
NAS: in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented
KJV: of his indignation; and
INT: cup of the wrath of him and
Revelation 16:19 N-GFS
GRK: θυμοῦ τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτοῦ
NAS: of the wine of His fierce wrath.
KJV: of the fierceness of his wrath.
INT: fury the wrath of him
Revelation 19:15 N-GFS
GRK: θυμοῦ τῆς ὀργῆς τοῦ θεοῦ
NAS: of the fierce wrath of God,
KJV: and wrath of Almighty
INT: fury of the wrath of God
Believe
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We have to let the main thing be the main thing. And that's the church will be out of here in the pre-tribulation rapture.
SteveB
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So, wandering around without any guidance/direction/etc....
is a good thing?
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