As a Matter of Fact.

jeremiah1five

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God saves through covenant.
Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) has covenant with God called the Abrahamic Covenant.
Non-Hebrews do not have a covenant with God.
God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and with his Hebrew seed.
Non-Hebrews do not have a covenant with God.
Later, God made covenant with Abram's Hebrew seed, a people known as the Hebrew children of Israel.
This covenant is called the Mosaic Covenant or the Law of Moses.
God made no covenant with non-Hebrews.
Still later, God prophesied of a New Covenant with Him to include the House of Israel and the House of Judah. This covenant is mentioned by the prophet Jeremiah in chapter 31 verses 31-34.
At this point there still no covenant between God and non-Hebrews.
So, if God saves through covenant and there is no covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles, then the matters of these facts is that non-Hebrew Gentiles are not saved.

God promised He would send a strong delusion UPON THE WORLD and as a matter of fact that delusion is the false belief that non-Hebrew Gentiles are saved. This is most untrue. But non-Hebrew Gentiles pay no mind and will continue to believe non-Hebrew Gentikles are saved and being saved. It's a strong delusion from God upon non-Hebrew Gentile world and there is nothing I can say by which they will repent and accept the undeluded truth.
When Israel's Messiah and Savior, and Deliverer, and Kinsman-Redeemer and King returns He will bring something to the Hebrew people in covenant with God.
He will bring the completion of their salvation
As a matter of fact.
 
God saves through covenant.
As a matter of fact, God does not save through covenant.
A covenant implies that God does something for men in exchange of something men do for God.
It implies a symmetrical right between God and men to place demands in each other.
Covenants are a tool, a metaphor used by God so that ancient people could understand their relationship as a relationship between a Ruler and his subjects.

But in reality, God’s salvation is not something man can demand based on what man does, or speaks, or thinks, or believes.
God is not legally obliged before man.

Therefore, God does not save through covenant. God teaches through covenants, as a didactic method, just as He teaches through many other means and metaphors… for example, blood atonement, baptism, resurrection, heaven, hell, names, etc.
God saves everyone who truly and humbly believes can be saved.
 
God promised He would send a strong delusion UPON THE WORLD and as a matter of fact that delusion is the false belief that non-Hebrew Gentiles are saved. This is most untrue.
The strong delusion is that men are different before the eyes of God on the basis of their race, sex, ethnicity, age, social status, or formal religion.
I encourage our readers to firmly oppose the twisted and perverse discourse of a genetically based salvation.

Our brother Jeremiah1five has a brilliant future. His ideas don't.

"The tabernacle of unity hath been raised!
Regard ye not one another as strangers.
Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch."

(Bahá'u'lláh)

 
As a matter of fact, God does not save through covenant.
What we call Christianity is directly tied to the Mosaic and Abraham Covenants. Redemptive history is recorded in the bible from Genesis to Revelation and is historical fact whether you want to believe this or not.

25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24:25–27.
A covenant implies that God does something for men in exchange of something men do for God.
Not necessarily true. There is no requirement of faith in the Abraham and Mosaic Covenants except that in the Abraham Covenant God requires circumcision, and the Mosaic Covenant God requires obedience to His Law. The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah in his writings (31:31-34) is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ as described at the last Passover meal with Jesus and His twelve disciples for the purpose of establishing the means of the salvation of those chosen by God from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world (Rev. 13: 8.)

The Abrahamic Covenant: (Circumcision)
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Genesis 17:10–11.

The Mosaic Covenant: (Obedience)
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 19:5–6.

In the New Covenant established by the blood (life) of Jesus of Nazareth on the night He died, God does not require anything of the Hebrew people (House of Israel and House of Judah.)

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Mt 26:27–28.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33.
It implies a symmetrical right between God and men to place demands in each other.
That might be Websters definition, but God is not bound by men's definition and establishes His own definition of things concerning His creation.

9 Remember the former things of old:
For I am God, and there is none else;
I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times the things that are not yet done,
Saying, My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all my pleasure:
Isiah 46:9–10.
Covenants are a tool, a metaphor used by God so that ancient people could understand their relationship as a relationship between a Ruler and his subjects.
Covenant promises by God may be a tool to accomplish a purpose or goal, but it is not a metaphor since the promises of God to Abram the Hebrew and his Hebrew seed is actual and has been shown throughout Scripture and history as promises that have been fulfilled and will be fulfilled as time moves forward towards their prophetic end.

19 God is not a man, that he should lie;
Neither the son of man, that he should repent:
Hath he said, and shall he not do it?
Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
20 Behold, I have received commandment to bless: and he hath blessed;
And I cannot reverse it.
21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob,
Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel:
The LORD his God is with him,
And the shout of a king is among them.
Numbers 23:19–21.
But in reality, God’s salvation is not something man can demand based on what man does, or speaks, or thinks, or believes.
God is not legally obliged before man.
God's obligation towards the Hebrew people is directly tied to His promises to this people. There is extensive evidence in the Hebrew Scripture that describes the character of God and the natural character of man both in covenant and without covenant. In the universe God created it is His prerogative as to what He will do or not do with His creation.

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Romans 9:20–23.
Therefore, God does not save through covenant.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Romans 11:26–27.
God teaches through covenants, as a didactic method, just as He teaches through many other means and metaphors… for example, blood atonement, baptism, resurrection, heaven, hell, names, etc.
16 All [Hebrew] scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof,
for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Ti 3:15–17.
God saves everyone who truly and humbly believes can be saved.
As the passage below declares: God has covenant with the Hebrew people and the Hebrew people through the personal sacrifice of the Son of God for sin are saved being the beneficiaries of that covenant and its promises and shall be saved by virtue of said covenant.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.
 
The strong delusion is that men are different before the eyes of God on the basis of their race, sex, ethnicity, age, social status, or formal religion.
That is not a delusion but is a fact of life.

I encourage our readers to firmly oppose the twisted and perverse discourse of a genetically based salvation.
Then you oppose God and His Word for it is God who has established this 'everlasting covenant' with Abram the Hebrew and with his Hebrew seed yet unborn and who are the inheritors of God's promises. And in the process of time God makes other promises to Abraham's seed (Isaac), and Isaac's seed (Jacob), and with the twelve tribes of Jacob identified as the children of Israel (Jacob.)
If you can't see God's covenant and the promises He makes is to the Hebrew ethnicity born from Eber and God eventually singling out Abram the Hebrew for everlasting covenant with this people then you are blind and walk in darkness even up to this

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Genesis 17:7.
Our brother Jeremiah1five has a brilliant future.
Spank you very much!
His ideas don't.
We must all see the same Jesus. We must all say the same thing as God.
To do otherwise is to oppose Him.
"The tabernacle of unity hath been raised!
Regard ye not one another as strangers.
Ye are the fruits of one tree, and the leaves of one branch."

(Bahá'u'lláh)
I'm not interested at this time in who said this and to whom he said this to.

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:13–14.
 
What we call Christianity is directly tied to the Mosaic and Abraham Covenants.

You're leaving out the covenant that God made with Eve and her offspring.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

You're opponent is leaving out the offspring of Satan.

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Both of you are wrong.
 
You're leaving out the covenant that God made with Eve and her offspring.
God made no covenant with the woman (her name wasn't "Eve" yet) or her offspring. That is a false Gentile contrivance.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
You're opponent is leaving out the offspring of Satan.
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Both of you are wrong.
I still do not see God making covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
Where's your proof?
And prove it by using a good translation and without twisting Scripture, or mis-defining words or concepts or adding to the bible things not there.
Go on. Prove it.
 
God made no covenant with the woman (her name wasn't "Eve" yet) or her offspring. That is a false Gentile contrivance.

Duh. Eve is a proper name. Proper names come after birth.

I posted what God said. I'm not the one with the contrived position.

I still do not see God making covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.

Covenants are promises from God.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

I guess you can see this a covenant with Satan. A promise God gave to defeat Satan. Satan understands such. He knew His time is limited. You don't have to know this at all. Doesn't change the fact it is true. Your unbelief doesn't make the promises of God of no effect.

The seed of Eve in the Person of Jesus Christ fulfilled this promise. This promise "came full circle" when Christ was pierced like Adam to bring His Bride forth.

Where's your proof?
And prove it by using a good translation and without twisting Scripture, or mis-defining words or concepts or adding to the bible things not there.
Go on. Prove it.

I prove it everytime I deal with you. I haven't misdefined anything. Genesis 3:15 was given before any offspring of Adam and Eve were even conceived.
 
Duh. Eve is a proper name. Proper names come after birth.
The first woman wasn't born She was created, and the Scripture calls her "woman."

21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Gen. 2:21–23.

Now I know you don't know the Bible. A child would know where the first woman came from, and you didn't. The Lord just pulled your covers.
Now I know you are not a student of the bible but only read religious books. And that's where you get your 'theology.' Now I know why you don't understand what I say and there's no way for you to get the understanding because if you were a true born child of God the Holy Spirit of Truth would have taught you truth from Scripture and He hasn't. Thank you, Jesus for that revelation of your 'spirit.' (1 John 4:1.)

I posted what God said. I'm not the one with the contrived position.
Covenants are promises from God.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
That's not a covenant. First, God is speaking to the serpent about the woman and her seed (and she would not even know what "seed" even means.0, and second, this is what a covenant with God looks like:

11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. Gen. 9:11.

See the terminology of a covenant and the intent of covenant? Here's another covenant:

2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. Gen. 17:2.

See the word "covenant"? See the intent of a covenant? That's what a biblical covenant with God looks like. You show you are uneducated in the things of God and that's why you think you can challenge what I say from Scripture and why you don't understand the things of God. You don't study Scripture under the anointing, you read religious books and pass the crap you read as God's Word. I laugh in your face. LOL.

I guess you can see this a covenant with Satan. A promise God gave to defeat Satan. Satan understands such. He knew His time is limited. You don't have to know this at all. Doesn't change the fact it is true. Your unbelief doesn't make the promises of God of no effect.
God makes no covenant with the serpent. And I see you call the serpent "Satan" which is another piece of crap from your religious books. What websites do you use for your teaching? It's all bullcrap.
The seed of Eve in the Person of Jesus Christ fulfilled this promise. This promise "came full circle" when Christ was pierced like Adam to bring His Bride forth.
You keep calling her "Eve" when her name is woman. Proof of misunderstanding, altering Scripture, and misinterpreting Scripture. Guilty!
I prove it everytime I deal with you. I haven't misdefined anything. Genesis 3:15 was given before any offspring of Adam and Eve were even conceived.
Genesis 3:15 is not a covenant between God and the man or the woman. God is speaking to the serpent - who isn't "Satan", he is a beast of the field whom the LORD had made. A creature of creation among the other beasts of the field like a cow, giraffe, monkey. Wow. Now I see you so very clearly.
 
That is not a delusion but is a fact of life.
The fact of life is that God has blessed and loved people from all ethnicities. It is part of History and we can witness this in their prosperity, contributions to the sciences and arts, and the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Denying the action of the Holy Spirit in Chinese, Basques and Turks is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Then you oppose God
Who oppposes God? Someone who preaches God’s love for Koreans or someone who preaches God’s indifference to Koreans?
Every thought, word or action you take in favor of a Korean, you do it to Christ Himself. Every thought, word or action you take against a Korean, you do it to Chirst Himself.

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God makes no covenant with the serpent. And I see you call the serpent "Satan" which is another piece of crap from your religious books. What websites do you use for your teaching? It's all bullcrap.
Bullcrap is a valuable resource. It provides necessary nitrogen, phosphorus and other nutrients to the soil, promoting life.
In contrast, what you preach promotes death.
Please realize that bullcrap is infinitely preferable to a theology of salvation that depends on genetics.
 
Dear readers

I invite You to listen to Rabbi Tovia Singer, explaining that Jews responsability as Chosen People is to bring all non-Jewish to God.
The video is only 8 minutes long. Don’t miss it!

 
That's not a covenant.

Yes it is. Covenants are promises made by God. Your promises don't mean anything. You have no power. God's does. What He promises are true.

IF you want to start your own thread about what the english word "Covenant" means, I'll be glad to educate you. I might do it myself.

First, God is speaking to the serpent about the woman and her seed (and she would not even know what "seed" even means.0, and second, this is what a covenant with God looks like:

Yes. About her seed. Jesus Christ. The Everlasting covenant has always been about Christ. Not you. Not I. Not Abraham. Abraham died has bones have turned to dust.

Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live?

Christ alone gives everlasting life.
 
The fact of life is that God has blessed and loved people from all ethnicities. It is part of History and we can witness this in their prosperity, contributions to the sciences and arts, and the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
History records non-Hebrew Gentiles constantly attacking or even flat out destroying the Jews. That's the history recorded in human annals.
You take you beliefs from religious books that have a Gentile bent and there is no biblical truth to your words. You cause God to give that which is Holy (His love) to dogs (Gentiles) and make God cast His Pearls (His Word) to swine (unclean, uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles.)
The Abraham Covenant is described in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. Genesis 15 records God performing a ritual that attaches Abraham to God and God to His covenant promises. So, if you can show God doing such covenant practice like the one He did to and for Abraham, then your theory and false belief of God loving a people He is against and in the end shows through prophecy their eternal demise, then that's all you have is a false belief and unbiblical theory. You are infected by a Baha'i religion that has no support from Scripture. God has covenant with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and Abram's Hebrew seed. And because of this covenant and the promises He's made to Abram and his Hebrew seed is the basis of His loving the Hebrew people. The only people that are in relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Jacob's twelve sons, a people also known as the children of Israel
I'm not your teacher. I'm not going to give you any lessons on biblical salvation of God with whom He's chosen to give it to.

Denying the action of the Holy Spirit in Chinese, Basques and Turks is a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not a sin of the tongue. It is a sin of the heart.
Who opposes God? Someone who preaches God’s love for Koreans or someone who preaches God’s indifference to Koreans?
Every thought, word or action you take in favor of a Korean, you do it to Christ Himself. Every thought, word or action you take against a Korean, you do it to Christ Himself.
Your words find no biblical support. None at all.
 
Bullcrap is a valuable resource. It provides necessary nitrogen, phosphorus and other nutrients to the soil, promoting life.
In contrast, what you preach promotes death.
Please realize that bullcrap is infinitely preferable to a theology of salvation that depends on genetics.
God chose Abraham to be recipient of certain promises. God identifies Abraham as a Hebrew. God makes covenant with Abraham and his Hebrew seed. God later makes covenant with the children of Israel and later send a Messiah promised to come from among the Hebrews in order to save the Hebrews. It is thew covenant and circumcision that set Abraham and his seed apart from the rest of the Adamites. So, if anyone is into ethnic salvation it is God who separated the Hebrew seed of the woman from the non-Hebrew Gentile seed of the serpent.
One is of God, the other isn't.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

The only people under the Law of God is the Hebrew people, and they are the only ones Scripture says are redeemed of God through the cross of Messiah - Israel's Messiah.
 
I'm not your teacher. I'm not going to give you any lessons on biblical salvation of God with whom He's chosen to give it to.
Actually you’re not the teacher of anybody.
Think: What should people start DOING as a result of your teachings?
The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not a sin of the tongue. It is a sin of the heart.
I know. Does your heart know and feel the action of the Holy Spirit in Oskar Schindler?
 
Never said she was. Created or born, proper names come afterwards.

There aren't any English Scriptures. Adam named her. In Greek her name is Zoe.
It doesn't matter. I already know you're not a born-again biblical Christians and no matter what Scripture I post that supports my paraphrase and comment you're not going to accept the Word because you've not been accepted by God.
Every Scripture I have already posted has been ignored by you and so I'm not taking you seriously since you're not of God for God's people accept what is written and do not add the bible.
 
Yes it is. Covenants are promises made by God. Your promises don't mean anything. You have no power. God's does. What He promises are true.

IF you want to start your own thread about what the english word "Covenant" means, I'll be glad to educate you. I might do it myself.



Yes. About her seed. Jesus Christ. The Everlasting covenant has always been about Christ. Not you. Not I. Not Abraham. Abraham died has bones have turned to dust.

Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live?

Christ alone gives everlasting life.
That all sounds good but it doesn't matter. You're an unbeliever at a Christian forum and I am a born-again believer who accepts God's Word as written. I don't add to the bible.
You do.
 
Actually you’re not the teacher of anybody.
Think: What should people start DOING as a result of your teachings?

I know. Does your heart know and feel the action of the Holy Spirit in Oskar Schindler?

The Word of God is seed. When planted on GOOD GROUND it grows and the good soil in blessed to have the seed. That's the message Christ teaches and the message that others benefit from.

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mt 13:3–9.

37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
John 5:37–39.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John 5:46–47.
 
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