Responsibilities to God and His Christ

Nothing indeed, as you failed to address the following:

Please let me know when you are actually going to address the scriptures




From the New Testament

Um, in case you forgot, Christ died for all the people of the world.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
1 Tim 2:3–6 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16–17: “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
If you are depending on animals for your salvation today, you are in a sorrowful position.
Acts 10:34–35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Rom 10:12–13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Eph 2:11–22 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Acts 15:7–11 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
Rom 3:29–30 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Col 3:11 a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

And the Old Testament


Ps 22:27–28 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. For the kingdom is the Lord’s And He rules over the nations.
Ps 86:9 All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And they shall glorify Your name.
Isa 49:6 He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Isa 2:2–3 Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts.
Isa 66:18–19 “For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations.
Dan 7:14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
Isa 56:7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
Zech 8:20–23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘It will yet be that peoples will come, even the inhabitants of many cities. The inhabitants of one will go to another, saying, “Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; I will also go.” So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the Lord.’ “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” ’ ”
Isa 25:6–8 The Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, Even the veil which is stretched over all nations. He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord God will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the Lord has spoken.
Ps 67 God be gracious to us and bless us, And cause His face to shine upon us— Selah. That Your way may be known on the earth, Your salvation among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You. Let the nations be glad and sing for joy; For You will judge the peoples with uprightness And guide the nations on the earth. Selah. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You. The earth has yielded its produce; God, our God, blesses us. God blesses us, That all the ends of the earth may fear Him.

BTW your salvation by law is rejected

Rom 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Gal 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
Gal 3:10–11 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”
Rom 4:13–15 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.
Gal 5:4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Acts 13:38–39 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
Rom 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Show me Scripture in the Law that says Gentiles were atoned by the animal sacrifice.

I'll wait.
 
Listen Jerry,

There were those grafted in.

Romans 11: 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,

11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”

11:20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;

11:21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

11:22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

11:23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

11:24 For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT LED UP TO THIS DIATRIBE????????????????/

Go back and start with Romans 11.......

Romans 11:11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous.

11:12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!

11:13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

11:14 if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them.

Jerry, you simply do not understand what you read.

You accuse me of adding to the book. I state with truthfulness you take out of the book.


IDK... Ya wanna take this outside and settle it?
Saul wrote to Jews, mixed-race Jews, and Jewish Christians.

Show me a Scripture in the Law that says Gentiles were atoned by the animal sacrifice.

I'll wait.
 
SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE IN THE LAW THAT SAYS GENTILES ARE ATONED BY THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE
Sure, Jerry.

The Law never says “only Israelites are atoned for.” What it actually does is include the stranger (Gentile) within Israel under the same atonement system.

One law applies to both Israelite and stranger (Gentile):

Numbers 15:29 NASB95
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.

If the same law applies, then the same atonement provision applies.

This Atonement explicitly includes the stranger present among them:

Numbers 15:25-26
25...‘Then the priest shall make atonement for all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and they will be forgiven; for it was an error, and they have brought their offering, an offering by fire to the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their error.

26... So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.

That is direct: atonement is made, and forgiveness extends to the stranger.

Before I go on here is what is said of a stranger....https://biblehub.com/topical/g/gentiles_and_outcasts.htm

Gentiles and Outcasts
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Gentiles

The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent. The Hebrew word "goyim" and the Greek word "ethnos" are commonly translated as "Gentiles" in the Scriptures. Throughout the Bible, the relationship between the Israelites and the Gentiles is a significant theme, reflecting God's unfolding plan for humanity.

In the Old Testament, the Israelites were chosen by God to be a holy nation and a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:6). They were set apart to be a light to the Gentiles, demonstrating God's righteousness and justice. However, the Israelites often struggled with maintaining their distinctiveness, sometimes adopting the idolatrous practices of the surrounding Gentile nations, which led to divine judgment.​

Day of Atonement includes the stranger:

Leviticus 1:29-34 (cf16:29)
“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;

The command to afflict the soul on the Day of Atonement applies to both native and stranger, meaning they are under the same atoning act.

And Foreigners could bring offerings accepted for atonement:

Leviticus 17:8; 22:18–19

“Whatsoever man… of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel… that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice… it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.”


That’s explicit....... their offering is accepted to make atonement for them.

The Law does not restrict atonement to ethnic Israel only.It repeatedly includes “the stranger who sojourns among you” under the same law , the same sacrifices , the same atonement , the same forgiveness

You learn above the "stranger" The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent.

“The Law itself says atonement and forgiveness apply to both the native and the stranger (Numbers 15:25–29). You’re adding a restriction the Law never makes.”

MORE?

The “stranger” is explicitly NOT an Israelite


“One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.” ...Exodus 12:49


We have Two distinct groups..... homeborn (Israelite) , stranger (not Israelite)

If the stranger were just another Israelite, that distinction makes no sense.

We are told The stranger is someone who can become circumcised to join Israel


“When a stranger shall sojourn with thee… and will keep the passover… let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near… and he shall be as one that is born in the land.” .....Exodus 12:48

The stranger is not already “born in the land” but He must become like one

That’s a Gentile joining Israel , not a lost tribe member.

Strangers are contrasted with Israelites repeatedly

“Thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.” Deuteronomy 17:15

“Not thy brother” = not an Israelite.

Strangers are listed alongside clearly foreign peoples


“Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” — Deuteronomy 10:19

Israel were foreigners (Hebrews) in Egypt and that’s the same category being used.

They are described as coming from outside Israel


“Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD…” Isaiah 56:6

They must join themselves , meaning they were not originally part of Israel.

The same “stranger” clearly defined as non-Israelite is the one included here:

“…atonement shall be made for all the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them…” Numbers 15:25–26

YOU can no longer say “stranger ≠ Gentile” AND ALSO accept that verse because the Law already defined the term.

“The Law defines the ‘stranger’ as someone not born in Israel (Exodus 12:48–49) and ‘not thy brother’ (Deut 17:15). That’s a Gentile. And that same stranger is explicitly included in atonement (Numbers 15:25–26). You don’t get to redefine the term after the Law already did.”
 
It is the Old Testament that declares what the New Covenant writings are all about.
Quite the contrary! Jesus said “you have heard it said, but I say unto you”, Jesus was correcting the misconstrued interpretation of the OT. It is a NT because the OT regulations have passed away. If the OT was by itself still valid , there would be no need for the NT.

Doug
 
Show me a passage in the Pentateuch that says Gentiles were atoned through the animal sacrifice in the Law of Moses.
Do it now.
If you do that, I will recant all my Hebrew-supported positions.

Jesus came to fulfill the Law of Moses as He said and just like the animal sacrifice His blood was made to atone the sins of the children of Israel, so, too, was Jesus' blood used to atone finally and eternally the sins of the children of Israel. Gentiles are not saved because Gentiles were never atoned under the Law.
YOU are ADDING to the Bible.
In the first place, why would the Pentateuch necessarily need to include the Gentiles, when this was directed specifically at the Jews. (Who were, incidentally, meant to be a light to the Gentiles.
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isa 49:6 )

Will you not accept Isaiah’s word because it isn’t in the Pentateuch?


Doug
 
Sure, Jerry.

The Law never says “only Israelites are atoned for.” What it actually does is include the stranger (Gentile) within Israel under the same atonement system.

One law applies to both Israelite and stranger (Gentile):

Numbers 15:29 NASB95
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.

If the same law applies, then the same atonement provision applies.

This Atonement explicitly includes the stranger present among them:

Numbers 15:25-26
25...‘Then the priest shall make atonement for all the congregation of the sons of Israel, and they will be forgiven; for it was an error, and they have brought their offering, an offering by fire to the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their error.

26... So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.

That is direct: atonement is made, and forgiveness extends to the stranger.

Before I go on here is what is said of a stranger....https://biblehub.com/topical/g/gentiles_and_outcasts.htm


Gentiles and Outcasts


Jump to: SubtopicsTerms

Topical Encyclopedia


Gentiles

The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent. The Hebrew word "goyim" and the Greek word "ethnos" are commonly translated as "Gentiles" in the Scriptures. Throughout the Bible, the relationship between the Israelites and the Gentiles is a significant theme, reflecting God's unfolding plan for humanity.

In the Old Testament, the Israelites were chosen by God to be a holy nation and a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:6). They were set apart to be a light to the Gentiles, demonstrating God's righteousness and justice. However, the Israelites often struggled with maintaining their distinctiveness, sometimes adopting the idolatrous practices of the surrounding Gentile nations, which led to divine judgment.​




Day of Atonement includes the stranger:

Leviticus 1:29-34 (cf16:29)
“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;

The command to afflict the soul on the Day of Atonement applies to both native and stranger, meaning they are under the same atoning act.

And Foreigners could bring offerings accepted for atonement:

Leviticus 17:8; 22:18–19

“Whatsoever man… of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel… that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice… it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him.”


That’s explicit....... their offering is accepted to make atonement for them.

The Law does not restrict atonement to ethnic Israel only.It repeatedly includes “the stranger who sojourns among you” under the same law , the same sacrifices , the same atonement , the same forgiveness

You learn above the "stranger" The term "Gentiles" in the Bible refers to all nations and peoples who are not of Jewish descent.

“The Law itself says atonement and forgiveness apply to both the native and the stranger (Numbers 15:25–29). You’re adding a restriction the Law never makes.”

MORE?

The “stranger” is explicitly NOT an Israelite


“One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.” ...Exodus 12:49


We have Two distinct groups..... homeborn (Israelite) , stranger (not Israelite)

If the stranger were just another Israelite, that distinction makes no sense.

We are told The stranger is someone who can become circumcised to join Israel


“When a stranger shall sojourn with thee… and will keep the passover… let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near… and he shall be as one that is born in the land.” .....Exodus 12:48

The stranger is not already “born in the land” but He must become like one

That’s a Gentile joining Israel , not a lost tribe member.

Strangers are contrasted with Israelites repeatedly

“Thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.” Deuteronomy 17:15

“Not thy brother” = not an Israelite.

Strangers are listed alongside clearly foreign peoples


“Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” — Deuteronomy 10:19

Israel were foreigners (Hebrews) in Egypt and that’s the same category being used.

They are described as coming from outside Israel


“Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD…” Isaiah 56:6

They must join themselves , meaning they were not originally part of Israel.

The same “stranger” clearly defined as non-Israelite is the one included here:

“…atonement shall be made for all the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them…” Numbers 15:25–26

YOU can no longer say “stranger ≠ Gentile” AND ALSO accept that verse because the Law already defined the term.

“The Law defines the ‘stranger’ as someone not born in Israel (Exodus 12:48–49) and ‘not thy brother’ (Deut 17:15). That’s a Gentile. And that same stranger is explicitly included in atonement (Numbers 15:25–26). You don’t get to redefine the term after the Law already did.”
You can't provide the Scripture because it doesn't exist.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God.

Thanks, Freel.
 
Quite the contrary! Jesus said “you have heard it said, but I say unto you”, Jesus was correcting the misconstrued interpretation of the OT. It is a NT because the OT regulations have passed away. If the OT was by itself still valid , there would be no need for the NT.

Doug
Jesus did not change the Law.

All the Hebrews knew was the letter of the Law. Jesus taught the spirit of the Law.

That's why you can't provide Scripture from the Law Gentiles were atoned.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God. You add to the Bible.
 
In the first place, why would the Pentateuch necessarily need to include the Gentiles, when this was directed specifically at the Jews. (Who were, incidentally, meant to be a light to the Gentiles.
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isa 49:6 )

Will you not accept Isaiah’s word because it isn’t in the Pentateuch?


Doug
Being a light TO the Gentiles does not mean salvation.

You can't provide a Scripture because there is none.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God.

You add to the Bible.
 
Being a light TO the Gentiles does not mean salvation.

You can't provide a Scripture because there is none.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God.

You add to the Bible.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth. Isa 49:6


Doug
 
Jesus did not change the Law.

All the Hebrews knew was the letter of the Law. Jesus taught the spirit of the Law.

That's why you can't provide Scripture from the Law Gentiles were atoned.

Gentiles are OUTSIDE the grace of God. You add to the Bible.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isa 49:6


Doug
 
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