Are we under any covenants?

[TomL]

There are many gospels in Scripture. To which is Peter referring?

There are not many gospels in 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

If you cannot recognize the gospel here, you have no business believing yourself saved

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry even Gentiles are Abraham's seed

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Your views are an aberration

In short, to believe that Gentiles are in the Abraham Covenant breaks Scripture and violates Scripture, everything that has been written before for our training and admonition.
You can't add to what has already been written. Mormons, Catholics, and JW's do that to support their false theologies. Now, you are a part of that group.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There are not many gospels in 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

If you cannot recognize the gospel here, you have no business believing yourself saved

There are hundreds, maybe thousands of gospels in Scripture.
God telling Hannah she would not be barren anymore and would have a child was good news (gospel) to her.
Samson, that he would be given answer to his prayer to do one last deed for the glory of God and take down those pillars was good news (gospel) to him.
Mary, that she was chosen to be the vessel through which Israel's Messiah would be born was good news (gospel) to her. Even Elizabeth who was barren in old age was told she would have a child (John) was good news (gospel) to her.
And there are hundreds of other good news (gospel) God blessed His people. with.
Can you think of others?

 

[TomL]

There are hundreds, maybe thousands of gospels in Scripture.
God telling Hannah she would not be barren anymore and would have a child was good news (gospel) to her.
Samson, that he would be given answer to his prayer to do one last deed for the glory of God and take down those pillars was good news (gospel) to him.
Mary, that she was chosen to be the vessel through which Israel's Messiah would be born was good news (gospel) to her. Even Elizabeth who was barren in old age was told she would have a child (John) was good news (gospel) to her.
And there are hundreds of other good news (gospel) God blessed His people. with.
Can you think of others?

Sorry but it is 1Pe which is in view as was stated.

There are not many gospels in 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

If you cannot recognize the gospel here, you have no business believing yourself saved

 

[TomL]

In short, to believe that Gentiles are in the Abraham Covenant breaks Scripture and violates Scripture, everything that has been written before for our training and admonition.
You can't add to what has already been written. Mormons, Catholics, and JW's do that to support their false theologies. Now, you are a part of that group.

Actually it fulfills scripture

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

 

[Kenny]

I like this one:

Deuteronomy 7:7-10 Know this: GOD, your God, is God indeed, a God you can depend upon. He keeps his covenant of loyal love with those who love him and observe his commandments for a thousand generations.

Yes, we who fall in love with Jesus stand at the altar of trust and vow to remain faithful until death brings us into eternal oneness with our Lord. Our fidelity is evidence of our genuine love and commitment to God. His covenant of love compels us to be loved and to love.

 

[TomL]

Actually it fulfills scripture

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

and of course

Galatians 3:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Romans 4:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

The views of jeremiah 1 five are contrary to the New covenant

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry but it is 1Pe which is in view as was stated.

As I said, there are literally thousands of good news given to God's servants, not only the good news Saul mentions in 1 Cor. But your thinking is limited and I can tell you don't know what I know. But that's OK. Stay within your measure of faith and you should be OK.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Actually it fulfills scripture

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

Saul was addressing those under the Law (schoolmaster.) He is not addressing non-Hebrew Gentiles. He would know. He was a rabbi and Pharisee and would NOT break Scripture to add non-Hebrew Gentiles. He KNOWS the Word of God and does not add or change anything written that he's studied for several decades and attaining such a high regard by his fellow rabbi's and fellow Pharisees. There is no covenant in the Hebrew Scripture between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. None. It's your flawed Constantinian Gentile theology that you are infected with that is in error. You add Gentiles into the Abraham covenant when God doesn't even mention non-Hebrew Gentiles when He made the covenant with Abram/Abraham in Genesis 15 and 17.

 

[TomL]

Saul was addressing those under the Law (schoolmaster.) He is not addressing non-Hebrew Gentiles. He would know. He was a rabbi and Pharisee and would NOT break Scripture to add non-Hebrew Gentiles. He KNOWS the Word of God and does not add or change anything written that he's studied for several decades and attaining such a high regard by his fellow rabbi's and fellow Pharisees. There is no covenant in the Hebrew Scripture between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles. None. It's your flawed Constantinian Gentile theology that you are infected with that is in error. You add Gentiles into the Abraham covenant when God doesn't even mention non-Hebrew Gentiles when He made the covenant with Abram/Abraham in Genesis 15 and 17.

Afraid not

read the text

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

 

[TomL]

As I said, there are literally thousands of good news given to God's servants, not only the good news Saul mentions in 1 Cor. But your thinking is limited and I can tell you don't know what I know. But that's OK. Stay within your measure of faith and you should be OK.

But not in 1Pe 1

There are not many gospels in 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

If you cannot recognize the gospel here, you have no business believing yourself saved

 

[jeremiah1five]

Afraid not

read the text

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

Taking a verse out of context makes no good grammatical sense. Saul's whole thought is not one verse. He is addressing those under the Law (schoolmaster) and that would identify Jews. And the statement "there is neither Jew or Greek" I am left to ask what about the Egyptians, or Russians, or Ethiopians? What does Saul mean by "Greek"? Aren't there other ethnicities and nationalities? I think you have sold yourself short for the mentioning of "Greek" refers to Hellenists Jews who are of mixed heritage being the offspring of Jew-Gentile parents who are the seed of Abraham and live as Gentile or Hellenist, meaning cultured by the Greek culture that was predominant in the Roman Empire thanks to Alexander the Great in 300s BC.
This also sheds light on why there were three languages on the title Pilate had [placed on Jesus' cross saying in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews."
It also sheds light on the timing of Messiah's arrival. All three cultures converged in this point in history in which God sent His Son. He was a Hebrew Messiah. The culture was Greek, and the laws were Roman or Latin. Not to mention the roads the Romans built throughout their empire that facilitated the good news of Messiah's arrival at this point in time. It allowed for the message of Israel's Messiah to go to Jews living in Gentiles lands for if you know anything it was only a remnant that returned back to Israel when Cyrus allowed them to return but only a remnant left (10%) while the remaining majority of Jews (90%) stayed where they lived in Gentile lands and in between Babylon and Israel. This is why Jesus commanded His disciples to go to Jerusalem, Judaea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth (the Orient or east.) The reason? Because God needed to reach the majority of Jews in these places to herald to them that their Messiah had come, and God had kept His Promise. The Jews living in these places had no idea their Messiah and King had come. But that was changed on the day of the Feast of Harvests when three thousand Jews were born again and many of them came to the feast as commanded by God in the Law and they returned to their homes and synagogues taking with them an outline of Peter's sermon, their experiences with the Holy Spirit of Promise and testimony of Jesus. This is how the message of the good news of Messiah's arrival was sent out.

So, taking only one verse and ignoring everything that was written by Saul up to that verse leads to false doctrine and false belief. And this is what you do, and this is why you have it wrong and misunderstand Saul's words when you take the verses leading up to the one you want to use to back up your heresy.

The bottom line is Jesus is a Jewish Messiah sent to the Jewish people as Promised by God in many places in Scripture - and I mean the Hebrew Scripture for that's what Saul studied in order to write about what he learned about this so-great salvation that is OF THE JEWS. You cannot make a doctrine using only one verse. But you seem happy to do it anyway despite what other things Saul says leading up to Gal. 3:28-29.

The context leading up to Gal. 3:28-29 is that these Jewish Christians were concerned about their standing in the Abraham Covenant now that they were followers of Jesus who claimed to be Christ/Messiah. Their concern was to remain faithful to God and the Abraham Promises they were the inheritors of and to not have "other god's before them." They had no idea until Saul addressed their concern that if they were Christ's then they were definitely STILL Abraham's seed and heirs according to that Promise.

That's because the Prophet like unto Moses was the One Promised to them (Deut. 18:15, 18.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

But not in 1Pe 1

There are not many gospels in 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

If you cannot recognize the gospel here, you have no business believing yourself saved

You limit yourself.

What does the word "gospel" mean? It means "good news." So, there are many gospels of good news God have given to His people as I mentioned a few of them. Yes, one of the good news God gave to His people was about the sending of His only begotten Son, but what about Saul's good news at being born again? Or Peter's after betraying Jesus was restored to fellowship and forgiven for his lapse. The good news that John would not be crucified but live into old age. The good news about barren Hannah being told she would have a son and that he would be a great man in the Hebrew religion and that man was Samuel. Or the good news to David that he would be anointed king of the Lord's people. The good news of manna in the desert and water from a rock to quench the thirst of God's people. The good news of Moses being sent to deliver God's people from bondage in Egypt. I can go on and on and fill up page after page of many good news from God to individuals and to His people in general.

But you don't see God's good news to His people. I celebrate God's good news to many of His servants and Saul makes mention of them in his letters. Or the good news found in the list of God's servants who went through many hardships and were rewarded with eternal life - even under the Law for the Law directed people and brought people to Christ.
But none of that is good news to you. That's too bad.

 

[TomL]

You limit yourself.

What does the word "gospel" mean? It means "good news." So, there are many gospels of good news God have given to His people as I mentioned a few of them. Yes, one of the good news God gave to His people was about the sending of His only begotten Son, but what about Saul's good news at being born again? Or Peter's after betraying Jesus was restored to fellowship and forgiven for his lapse. The good news that John would not be crucified but live into old age. The good news about barren Hannah being told she would have a son and that he would be a great man in the Hebrew religion and that man was Samuel. Or the good news to David that he would be anointed king of the Lord's people. The good news of manna in the desert and water from a rock to quench the thirst of God's people. The good news of Moses being sent to deliver God's people from bondage in Egypt. I can go on and on and fill up page after page of many good news from God to individuals and to His people in general.

But you don't see God's good news to His people. I celebrate God's good news to many of His servants and Saul makes mention of them in his letters. Or the good news found in the list of God's servants who went through many hardships and were rewarded with eternal life - even under the Law for the Law directed people and brought people to Christ.
But none of that is good news to you. That's too bad.

Sorry you speak of everything but the context of 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

which concerns redemption through the blood of Christ

 

[TomL]

Taking a verse out of context makes no good grammatical sense. Saul's whole thought is not one verse. He is addressing those under the Law (schoolmaster) and that would identify Jews. And the statement "there is neither Jew or Greek" I am left to ask what about the Egyptians, or Russians, or Ethiopians? What does Saul mean by "Greek"? Aren't there other ethnicities and nationalities? I think you have sold yourself short for the mentioning of "Greek" refers to Hellenists Jews who are of mixed heritage being the offspring of Jew-Gentile parents who are the seed of Abraham and live as Gentile or Hellenist, meaning cultured by the Greek culture that was predominant in the Roman Empire thanks to Alexander the Great in 300s BC.
This also sheds light on why there were three languages on the title Pilate had [placed on Jesus' cross saying in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews."
It also sheds light on the timing of Messiah's arrival. All three cultures converged in this point in history in which God sent His Son. He was a Hebrew Messiah. The culture was Greek, and the laws were Roman or Latin. Not to mention the roads the Romans built throughout their empire that facilitated the good news of Messiah's arrival at this point in time. It allowed for the message of Israel's Messiah to go to Jews living in Gentiles lands for if you know anything it was only a remnant that returned back to Israel when Cyrus allowed them to return but only a remnant left (10%) while the remaining majority of Jews (90%) stayed where they lived in Gentile lands and in between Babylon and Israel. This is why Jesus commanded His disciples to go to Jerusalem, Judaea, Samaria, and the uttermost parts of the earth (the Orient or east.) The reason? Because God needed to reach the majority of Jews in these places to herald to them that their Messiah had come, and God had kept His Promise. The Jews living in these places had no idea their Messiah and King had come. But that was changed on the day of the Feast of Harvests when three thousand Jews were born again and many of them came to the feast as commanded by God in the Law and they returned to their homes and synagogues taking with them an outline of Peter's sermon, their experiences with the Holy Spirit of Promise and testimony of Jesus. This is how the message of the good news of Messiah's arrival was sent out.

So, taking only one verse and ignoring everything that was written by Saul up to that verse leads to false doctrine and false belief. And this is what you do, and this is why you have it wrong and misunderstand Saul's words when you take the verses leading up to the one you want to use to back up your heresy.

The bottom line is Jesus is a Jewish Messiah sent to the Jewish people as Promised by God in many places in Scripture - and I mean the Hebrew Scripture for that's what Saul studied in order to write about what he learned about this so-great salvation that is OF THE JEWS. You cannot make a doctrine using only one verse. But you seem happy to do it anyway despite what other things Saul says leading up to Gal. 3:28-29.

The context leading up to Gal. 3:28-29 is that these Jewish Christians were concerned about their standing in the Abraham Covenant now that they were followers of Jesus who claimed to be Christ/Messiah. Their concern was to remain faithful to God and the Abraham Promises they were the inheritors of and to not have "other god's before them." They had no idea until Saul addressed their concern that if they were Christ's then they were definitely STILL Abraham's seed and heirs according to that Promise.

That's because the Prophet like unto Moses was the One Promised to them (Deut. 18:15, 18.)

Sorry but you have done nothing to show anything posted in contrary to the context and failed to rebut what was stated

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

See also

Romans 3:27–30 (NASB 2020) — 27 Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Romans 4:9–17 (NASB 2020) — 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I HAVE MADE YOU A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry you speak of everything but the context of 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

which concerns redemption through the blood of Christ

OK. Here it is again. I notice brother Pete is writing to Jews and Jewish Christians. This is evident by his mention of "your fathers." Another indicator is Pete's mentioning "love of the brethren" who would be the Jews since the command of God to the twelve tribes residing in predetermined lots of land given by God around the Tabernacle in the desert were instructed in love (Lev. 19:18-19.) This is obvious since brother Pete is, along with James and John, apostle to the Jews. Brother Pete was used of God to testify to Cornelius, a mixed-heritage Jew-Gentile God-Fearer and witnessed that Samaritan-type mixed heritage Jew-Gentiles are STILL seed of Abraham were also not only included in the Abraham Covenant but among the first Jew-Gentile mixed heritage brethren also practicing and observing of the Law of Moses that became born-again and saved.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Pete 1:18–25.

You should also note that Jews were being born-again through the "Word of God" which references the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets (vs. 23.) And for those that erroneously believe the Old Testament or the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets is "abolished" or "obsolete", Pete destroys that false belief when he says the Word of God - meaning the Hebrew Scripture - "lives and abides FOREVER." And he repeats himself again in verse 25 "but the Word of the Lord endures FOREVER." And although Pete doesn't identify what part or which Scripture or prophecy of the Hebrew Scripture about Israel's Messiah, he is referring to it doesn't change the fact that there are many prophets who, along with what's said in the covenants, it is still the Old Testament of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets who share parts of the good news of the One God would send to redeem the Hebrew people to God.

If I remember correctly, don't you believe the Old Testament Law, Psalms, and Prophets are "abolished" and "obsolete" or "ready to vanish away"? According to brother Pete, he says you are wrong in your assertions and says TWICE that the Old Testament Law, Psalms, and the Prophets lives and abides FOREVER.

But since you prefer eisegesis rather than EX-egesis (you like to add to the bible rather than TAKE OUT what's written there) your adding non-Hebrew Gentiles into the Hebrew covenants falls short of the glory of God because they are lies you hold to and not even brother Pete's words under the anointing will change your mind. Not even brother Saul who was apostle to the Jew-Gentile mixed heritage brethren can change your mind either when he says to brother Tim that "ALL Scripture is given of God, and yes, it lives and abides FOREVER - and used by the Holy Spirit for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness has no power over you as you choose your theology over what's written in Scripture. Jesus had the same problem with some of the religious leaders who exalted the traditions of the elders over the Law of Moses and the rest of the Hebrew Scripture. There is no difference between them and you. You exalt the 1900-year-old traditions of the Gentile theologians from centuries ago - even more recently - whose tradition is taught to other non-Hebrew Gentiles such as yourself that non-Hebrew Gentiles are in the Abraham Covenant (and they use the same passage in Gal. 3:28-29 to prove their error.)

Good Lord! You would fit in with those Pharisees and Sadducees that did exalt the traditions of the elders over the Word of God! I think Jesus would have pointed His Righteous finger at you and, "leaders of the blind! Ye blind guides that strain at a gnat and swallow a camel!"

If the Word of God Authored by the Holy Spirit of Promise (promised to the children of Israel) cannot Minister to your mind and cause you to repent of your false theology that God's Holy Word, the same Word the Holy Spirit Authored, is powerless to those that rather hold on to their own pet theories and swallow a camel instead of allowing the Word of God which lives and abides FOREVER to reprove you, and correct you, and lead you in ways of everlasting, then neither can I do anything to help you. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God! My Lord, if you reject the Hebrew Scripture through which anyone is saved by, then how can you be saved at all? Pete says unequivocally that the Old Testament Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets are the power of God unto salvation, and it is this very Word of the Hebrew Scripture that God uses to birth a new brother or sister in the Lord, then how can you or anyone else be saved? If you think that the Hebrew Scripture, the power of God unto salvation is "abolished" and "obsolete" or "vanished away", then no one can be saved because IT IS the power of God unto salvation.
Too bad you don't believe God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry but you have done nothing to show anything posted in contrary to the context and failed to rebut what was stated

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

See also

Romans 3:27–30 (NASB 2020) — 27 Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Romans 4:9–17 (NASB 2020) — 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I HAVE MADE YOU A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist.

What a shame that you exalt the tradition of Gentile elders above the Word of God which lives and abides forever.
Jesus had the same problem with some of the religious leaders of His day for they also exalted the tradition of their elders above the Word of God and through their faulty version of those very same elders made someone a convert to the tradition of their Gentile elders and made them twice the child of hell as they were.

You believe the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets is "abolished" and "obsolete" and vanished away" but I'm here to tell you that the Hebrew Scripture is the power of God unto salvation and lives and abides forever!
Put that in your [crack] pipe and smoke it!

No thank you. I will take the Word of God over the tradition of your non-Hebrew Gentile elders who for 1900 years repeat the same thing every generation of followers that read them and teach that the Hebrew Scripture is abolished, and obsolete, and vanished away. I hold with brother Pete that the Hebrew Scripture - that very Scripture that God uses to teach doctrine, to reprove people's traditions, and corrects false belief, and instructs in righteousness - OVER the tradition of your non-Hebrew Gentile elders any day of the week. The Word of God to me live and abides forever just as brother Saul and James, and John, and Matthew, and Pete say. The flower withers and THAT vanishes away, but the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets lives and abides FOREVER!

Forever!

Amen, Lord. Preach it!

 

[TomL]

OK. Here it is again. I notice brother Pete is writing to Jews and Jewish Christians. This is evident by his mention of "your fathers." Another indicator is Pete's mentioning "love of the brethren" who would be the Jews since the command of God to the twelve tribes residing in predetermined lots of land given by God around the Tabernacle in the desert were instructed in love (Lev. 19:18-19.) This is obvious since brother Pete is, along with James and John, apostle to the Jews. Brother Pete was used of God to testify to Cornelius, a mixed-heritage Jew-Gentile God-Fearer and witnessed that Samaritan-type mixed heritage Jew-Gentiles are STILL seed of Abraham were also not only included in the Abraham Covenant but among the first Jew-Gentile mixed heritage brethren also practicing and observing of the Law of Moses that became born-again and saved.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Pete 1:18–25.

You should also note that Jews were being born-again through the "Word of God" which references the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets (vs. 23.) And for those that erroneously believe the Old Testament or the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets is "abolished" or "obsolete", Pete destroys that false belief when he says the Word of God - meaning the Hebrew Scripture - "lives and abides FOREVER." And he repeats himself again in verse 25 "but the Word of the Lord endures FOREVER." And although Pete doesn't identify what part or which Scripture or prophecy of the Hebrew Scripture about Israel's Messiah, he is referring to it doesn't change the fact that there are many prophets who, along with what's said in the covenants, it is still the Old Testament of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets who share parts of the good news of the One God would send to redeem the Hebrew people to God.

If I remember correctly, don't you believe the Old Testament Law, Psalms, and Prophets are "abolished" and "obsolete" or "ready to vanish away"? According to brother Pete, he says you are wrong in your assertions and says TWICE that the Old Testament Law, Psalms, and the Prophets lives and abides FOREVER.

But since you prefer eisegesis rather than EX-egesis (you like to add to the bible rather than TAKE OUT what's written there) your adding non-Hebrew Gentiles into the Hebrew covenants falls short of the glory of God because they are lies you hold to and not even brother Pete's words under the anointing will change your mind. Not even brother Saul who was apostle to the Jew-Gentile mixed heritage brethren can change your mind either when he says to brother Tim that "ALL Scripture is given of God, and yes, it lives and abides FOREVER - and used by the Holy Spirit for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness has no power over you as you choose your theology over what's written in Scripture. Jesus had the same problem with some of the religious leaders who exalted the traditions of the elders over the Law of Moses and the rest of the Hebrew Scripture. There is no difference between them and you. You exalt the 1900-year-old traditions of the Gentile theologians from centuries ago - even more recently - whose tradition is taught to other non-Hebrew Gentiles such as yourself that non-Hebrew Gentiles are in the Abraham Covenant (and they use the same passage in Gal. 3:28-29 to prove their error.)

Good Lord! You would fit in with those Pharisees and Sadducees that did exalt the traditions of the elders over the Word of God! I think Jesus would have pointed His Righteous finger at you and, "leaders of the blind! Ye blind guides that strain at a gnat and swallow a camel!"

If the Word of God Authored by the Holy Spirit of Promise (promised to the children of Israel) cannot Minister to your mind and cause you to repent of your false theology that God's Holy Word, the same Word the Holy Spirit Authored, is powerless to those that rather hold on to their own pet theories and swallow a camel instead of allowing the Word of God which lives and abides FOREVER to reprove you, and correct you, and lead you in ways of everlasting, then neither can I do anything to help you. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God! My Lord, if you reject the Hebrew Scripture through which anyone is saved by, then how can you be saved at all? Pete says unequivocally that the Old Testament Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets are the power of God unto salvation, and it is this very Word of the Hebrew Scripture that God uses to birth a new brother or sister in the Lord, then how can you or anyone else be saved? If you think that the Hebrew Scripture, the power of God unto salvation is "abolished" and "obsolete" or "vanished away", then no one can be saved because IT IS the power of God unto salvation.
Too bad you don't believe God.

Too bad I do not believe your contrived non contextual analysis

Sorry you speak of everything but the context of 1Pe 1

1 Peter 1:18–25 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

which concerns redemption through the blood of Christ

and btw the promise of the holy Spirit is a feature of the new covenant

Jeremiah 31:31–34 (NASB 2020) — 31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33 “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD: “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their wrongdoing, and their sin I will no longer remember.”

It is not like the covenant made with the Fathers

So we have a new covenant in the blood of Christ which is not like the covenant made with the Fathers

Hebrews 7:22 (UASV) — 22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
Hebrews 8:6–10 (UASV) — 6 But now he has attained a more excellent ministry, by as much as he is also mediator of a better covenant which has been enacted upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, occasion would not have been sought for a second. 8 For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Hebrews 8:13 (UASV) — 13 In his saying, “a new covenant,” he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[TomL]

What a shame that you exalt the tradition of Gentile elders above the Word of God which lives and abides forever.
Jesus had the same problem with some of the religious leaders of His day for they also exalted the tradition of their elders above the Word of God and through their faulty version of those very same elders made someone a convert to the tradition of their Gentile elders and made them twice the child of hell as they were.

You believe the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets is "abolished" and "obsolete" and vanished away" but I'm here to tell you that the Hebrew Scripture is the power of God unto salvation and lives and abides forever!
Put that in your [crack] pipe and smoke it!

No thank you. I will take the Word of God over the tradition of your non-Hebrew Gentile elders who for 1900 years repeat the same thing every generation of followers that read them and teach that the Hebrew Scripture is abolished, and obsolete, and vanished away. I hold with brother Pete that the Hebrew Scripture - that very Scripture that God uses to teach doctrine, to reprove people's traditions, and corrects false belief, and instructs in righteousness - OVER the tradition of your non-Hebrew Gentile elders any day of the week. The Word of God to me live and abides forever just as brother Saul and James, and John, and Matthew, and Pete say. The flower withers and THAT vanishes away, but the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and Prophets lives and abides FOREVER!

Forever!

Amen, Lord. Preach it!

Um I am exalting New Covenant scriptures, which you have ignored

Sorry but you have done nothing to show anything posted in contrary to the context and failed to rebut what was stated

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

See also

Romans 3:27–30 (NASB 2020) — 27 Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Romans 4:9–17 (NASB 2020) — 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. 13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I HAVE MADE YOU A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist.

 

[dwight92070]

Galatians 1:6-9 tells us what happens to people who present and different and distorted gospel.