Are we under any covenants?

[jeremiah1five]

Actually you do not. You ignore the New Testament when it contradicts your beliefs

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

as well as

Romans 3:27–30 (NASB 2020) — 27 Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Romans 4:9–17 (NASB 2020) — 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

you attempt to deny the whole based on the partial

No, no. Your interpretation is the faulty one. Look at what you're doing. You're taking what Saul wrote and in your ignorance are setting his words against Genesis and what Moses wrote. IT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION of what Saul wrote and your ignorance of what Moses wrote and choosing Saul's words over Moses but neither contradict each other. It is your interpretation of Saul and your ignorance of Moses where your error lies.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Again you just wish to ignore New covenant realities

Um all that believe on Christ are Abraham's seed

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Hello

Believing gentiles are Abraham's seed and therefore heirs of the promise

Do you understand what Saul is saying about "Greek, bond, and woman"?
I can tell you don't. So, I'll leave you to your error and ignorance. One thing is sure...you don't know God's Word on this subject and in your ignorance and stupidity try to set Saul against Moses but neither contradict each other. It's your ignorance of what the rabbi Saul is writing in Galatians. Your first error is you think Saul is writing to Gentiles and that is wrong. And if you got that wrong everything you conclude coming from that error will also be error.
I'm not your teacher. Go and separate yourself and study these things under the anointing and maybe in a few years you can rightly understand the Word of God. But as long as you think the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are Jewish Christians writing to a non-Hebrew Gentile audience, you're going to be wrong in all your conclusions. That much is for damn sure.

 

[TomL]

Do you understand what Saul is saying about "Greek, bond, and woman"?
I can tell you don't. So, I'll leave you to your error and ignorance. One thing is sure...you don't know God's Word on this subject and in your ignorance and stupidity try to set Saul against Moses but neither contradict each other. It's your ignorance of what the rabbi Saul is writing in Galatians. Your first error is you think Saul is writing to Gentiles and that is wrong. And if you got that wrong everything you conclude coming from that error will also be error.
I'm not your teacher. Go and separate yourself and study these things under the anointing and maybe in a few years you can rightly understand the Word of God. But as long as you think the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are Jewish Christians writing to a non-Hebrew Gentile audience, you're going to be wrong in all your conclusions. That much is for damn sure.

You ignored the scripture quoted

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Um all that believe on Christ are Abraham's seed

Hello

Believing gentiles are Abraham's seed and therefore heirs of the promise

You can't address it talking about me

What can be told here is you have no answer to New Testament scripture which refutes your doctrine

 

[TomL]

No, no. Your interpretation is the faulty one. Look at what you're doing. You're taking what Saul wrote and in your ignorance are setting his words against Genesis and what Moses wrote. IT IS YOUR INTERPRETATION of what Saul wrote and your ignorance of what Moses wrote and choosing Saul's words over Moses but neither contradict each other. It is your interpretation of Saul and your ignorance of Moses where your error lies.

You fail to show any such thing

Actually you do not. You ignore the New Testament when it contradicts your beliefs

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You have the same faulty view the Jews of Jesus day had.

They believed God's promises assured them of the blessing of salvation but John told them

Matthew 3:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 and do not assume that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father’; for I tell you that God is able, from these stones, to raise up children for Abraham.

as well as

Romans 3:27–30 (NASB 2020) — 27 Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

Romans 4:9–17 (NASB 2020) — 9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

and simply cannot deal with the New Testament

 

[jeremiah1five]

You ignored the scripture quoted

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Um all that believe on Christ are Abraham's seed

Hello

Believing gentiles are Abraham's seed and therefore heirs of the promise

You can't address it talking about me

What can be told here is you have no answer to New Testament scripture which refutes your doctrine

Show me in the covenant when it was made in Genesis 12, 15, and 17 non-Hebrew Gentiles are in this covenant.
Scripture (Gen. 12, 15, 17) cannot be broken. God says what He means, and He means what He says. This means anyone who contradicts what is written in the Hebrew Scripture is breaking Scripture, but since what Saul says is the same thing as Moses then it's YOUR interpretation of Saul's words that is in error. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Abraham Covenant, and your understanding of Saul is where your problem lies.

 

[TomL]

Show me in the covenant when it was made in Genesis 12, 15, and 17 non-Hebrew Gentiles are in this covenant.
Scripture (Gen. 12, 15, 17) cannot be broken. God says what He means, and He means what He says. This means anyone who contradicts what is written in the Hebrew Scripture is breaking Scripture, but since what Saul says is the same thing as Moses then it's YOUR interpretation of Saul's words that is in error. There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Abraham Covenant, and your understanding of Saul is where your problem lies.

I showed you how the gentiles are Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Um all that believe on Christ are Abraham's seed

Hello

Believing gentiles are Abraham's seed and therefore heirs of the promise

You can't address it talking about me

What can be told here is you have no answer to New Testament scripture which refutes your doctrine

Your unbelief of scripture does not make it null and void

 

[jeremiah1five]

I showed you how the gentiles are Abraham's seed and heirs to the promise

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Um all that believe on Christ are Abraham's seed

Hello

Believing gentiles are Abraham's seed and therefore heirs of the promise

You can't address it talking about me

What can be told here is you have no answer to New Testament scripture which refutes your doctrine

Your unbelief of scripture does not make it null and void

All that believe are Hebrew/Jew.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham.

 

[TomL]

All that believe are Hebrew/Jew.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham.

What were you incapable of understanding


Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Um all that believe on Christ are Abraham's seed

Hello

Believing gentiles are Abraham's seed and therefore heirs of the promise

 

[TomL]

All that believe are Hebrew/Jew.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham.

God was looking for a spiritual seed not just a physical seed

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

All that believe are his seed

 

[jeremiah1five]

What were you incapable of understanding


Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Um all that believe on Christ are Abraham's seed

Hello

Believing gentiles are Abraham's seed and therefore heirs of the promise

Saul is writing about Hellenized Jews of Greek heritage or culture.
Thanks to Alexander the Great.

 

[jeremiah1five]

God was looking for a spiritual seed not just a physical seed

Galatians 3:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

All that believe are his seed

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew Covenants.

Your interpretation of New Covenant writings is in error.

 

[TomL]

Saul is writing about Hellenized Jews of Greek heritage or culture.
Thanks to Alexander the Great.

Sorry no

They would still be Jews

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I'd like to ask who are the "we" as in "are WE under any covenants"?

If the "we" are Gentiles, the answer is no.

If the "we" are Hebrews/Jews, the answer is "yes."

Abram the Hebrew was 'under' the covenant that bears his name. This covenant was then inherited by Isaac...

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Gen. 17:19.

So, there's your answer to "Are 'we' (the Hebrews/Jews) under any covenants."

But will you accept what God told Moses to write about that answers your post question. And in verse 19 you can see for how long Abram the Hebrew and his seed are to be under the Abraham Covenant. He said, "everlasting" which essentially means "Forever." The covenant God made with Abram the Hebrew was inherited by Isaac, then Jacob, and then to Jacob's twelve sons and their descendants all the way up to today. And while today the Hebrews/Jews in Israel have everything they need to restart sacrificing under the Mosaic Covenant they also have plans authorized to build a third Temple.

When asking the question, we get to another covenant the Hebrews are 'under' and that is the Mosaic Covenant and that is also "everlasting" or "forever" despite Jesus Christ fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant as He said in Matthew 5:17.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:17.

I said that the Hebrews/Jews are under the Mosaic Covenant despite Jesus Christ fulfilling this covenant because the Scripture narrative in Acts reveals that Jews that became born-again and saved continued to obey and observe the Mosaic Covenant or Law of Moses. And there was no problem with anyone for doing so:

19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Acts 21:19–20.

Who wouldn't be 'zealous' about the Law or the things of God after you become born-again if there is a Hebrew parent in your family ancestry which is your basis for salvation because the first and second covenant leads to the third covenant which is the New Covenant that has been has Jesus Christ fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant (Matt. 5:17) and in initiating the New Covenant through His blood at the Last Passover meal he had participated in with His disciples before Hid arrest and condemnation upon His cross at Calvary.

I remember when I was born-again, I was very "zealous" about everything about God and this so-great salvation. I was zealous about going to church, worship, hymns, the fellowship afterwards and the sermons, reading and studying my bible...because of my mannerisms and dress some that never knew me would mistake me as a pastor I found out later after I met these persons in fellowship at church. I was so excited how God was going to use me and being recognized by bible study teachers who told me once, "the brothers were asking me, 'Who's the new guy'? But in my heart of hearts, I knew I was not called to be a pastor.

So, to end this the answer is: The Hebrews/Jews, they are under all three covenants God made with this people and only them.

 

[TomL]

I'd like to ask who are the "we" as in "are WE under any covenants"?

If the "we" are Gentiles, the answer is no.

If the "we" are Hebrews/Jews, the answer is "yes."

Abram the Hebrew was 'under' the covenant that bears his name. This covenant was then inherited by Isaac...

19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. Gen. 17:19.

So, there's your answer to "Are 'we' (the Hebrews/Jews) under any covenants."

But will you accept what God told Moses to write about that answers your post question. And in verse 19 you can see for how long Abram the Hebrew and his seed are to be under the Abraham Covenant. He said, "everlasting" which essentially means "Forever." The covenant God made with Abram the Hebrew was inherited by Isaac, then Jacob, and then to Jacob's twelve sons and their descendants all the way up to today. And while today the Hebrews/Jews in Israel have everything they need to restart sacrificing under the Mosaic Covenant they also have plans authorized to build a third Temple.

When asking the question, we get to another covenant the Hebrews are 'under' and that is the Mosaic Covenant and that is also "everlasting" or "forever" despite Jesus Christ fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant as He said in Matthew 5:17.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:17.

I said that the Hebrews/Jews are under the Mosaic Covenant despite Jesus Christ fulfilling this covenant because the Scripture narrative in Acts reveals that Jews that became born-again and saved continued to obey and observe the Mosaic Covenant or Law of Moses. And there was no problem with anyone for doing so:

19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Acts 21:19–20.

Who wouldn't be 'zealous' about the Law or the things of God after you become born-again if there is a Hebrew parent in your family ancestry which is your basis for salvation because the first and second covenant leads to the third covenant which is the New Covenant that has been has Jesus Christ fulfilling the Mosaic Covenant (Matt. 5:17) and in initiating the New Covenant through His blood at the Last Passover meal he had participated in with His disciples before Hid arrest and condemnation upon His cross at Calvary.

I remember when I was born-again, I was very "zealous" about everything about God and this so-great salvation. I was zealous about going to church, worship, hymns, the fellowship afterwards and the sermons, reading and studying my bible...because of my mannerisms and dress some that never knew me would mistake me as a pastor I found out later after I met these persons in fellowship at church. I was so excited how God was going to use me and being recognized by bible study teachers who told me once, "the brothers were asking me, 'Who's the new guy'? But in my heart of hearts, I knew I was not called to be a pastor.

So, to end this the answer is: The Hebrews/Jews, they are under all three covenants God made with this people and only them.

You remain contrary to scripture

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:11–19 — 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers (to the covenants), but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gentiles who believe on Christ receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant

Case closed

 

[jeremiah1five]

You remain contrary to scripture

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:11–19 — 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers (to the covenants), but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gentiles who believe on Christ receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant

Case closed

Yeah, I thought you wouldn't answer the questions. That's called "avoidance" and "stalling." Typical of one who doesn't have the answers or that the answers will destroy their false beliefs.
Trust me, there's 39 "books" of the Hebrew Scripture that know nothing about which is why you constantly posting the New Testament. As I've said over and again it's your interpretations that are crap and since you won't engage me I won't be wasting much more of my time with you and your baby theology.

 

[TomL]

Yeah, I thought you wouldn't answer the questions. That's called "avoidance" and "stalling." Typical of one who doesn't have the answers or that the answers will destroy their false beliefs.
Trust me, there's 39 "books" of the Hebrew Scripture that know nothing about which is why you constantly posting the New Testament. As I've said over and again it's your interpretations that are crap and since you won't engage me I won't be wasting much more of my time with you and your baby theology.

Sorry you ignore the New covenant and what it teaches

WE are not under the old covenant

You remain contrary to scripture

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:11–19 — 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers (to the covenants), but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gentiles who believe on Christ receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant

Case closed

PS if you could not understand the we includes gentiles under the new covenant

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sorry you ignore the New covenant and what it teaches

WE are not under the old covenant

You remain contrary to scripture

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:11–19 — 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers (to the covenants), but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gentiles who believe on Christ receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant

Case closed

PS if you could not understand the we includes gentiles under the new covenant

Nothing's changed. Abraham's seed are within the camp, and non-Hebrew Gentiles live outside the camp.

Nothing's changed.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:7–10.



Oh, Happy Day.

 

[TomL]

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Nothing's changed. Abraham's seed are within the camp, and non-Hebrew Gentiles live outside the camp.

Nothing's changed.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:7–10.

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Oh, Happy Day.

Nothing has changed. The readers can examine the texts for themselves and determine who follows the text and who denies them

Sorry you ignore the New covenant and what it teaches

WE are not under the old covenant

You remain contrary to scripture

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:11–19 — 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers (to the covenants), but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gentiles who believe on Christ receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant

Case closed

PS if you could not understand the we includes gentiles under the new covenant

 

[jeremiah1five]

Nothing has changed. The readers can examine the texts for themselves and determine who follows the text and who denies them

Yes, but you never address what God told Abram the Hebrew when He made those covenant promises with him and if one is going to talk about contracts and promises one doesn't ignore the contracts themselves. Sitting down with attorneys after someone dies to sort out the decedents last will and testament is required in this life. So, if you're not familiar with the will you really can't judge anything and without a basis of fact to guide your behavior you follow news cycles and reporters commentaries about such meetings from outside the office when the will is opened and can't judge either, so you're basing your interpretation of the reading of the will, and you haven't even read the will.
So, your beliefs are not based on fact, and I am weary of your ignorance.

Sorry you ignore the New covenant and what it teaches

WE are not under the old covenant

You remain contrary to scripture

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:11–19 — 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers (to the covenants), but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gentiles who believe on Christ receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant

These are not non-Hebrew Gentiles. Like Samaritans they are mixed heritage Jew-Gentile offspring who in the 500 years since the remnant returned to the Holy Land grew up in Hellenized culture living as Greeks strangers to the covenants and ignorant of their Hebrew heritage. The Abraham covenant when God made it doesn't mention Gentiles so your adding Gentiles after the fact is just plain stupidity and ignorance of the contract between God and Abraham.

Case closed

PS if you could not understand the we includes gentiles under the new covenant

Scripture cannot be broken, Jesus said. No one- not even God - can change a contract and promises after the contract has been signed, sealed, and delivered. What has been agreed to when the covenant was made is a case closed. So, for the record you don't challenge me, you don't have anything new to offer that is able to educate me or increase my learning as a Christian. You possess no iron by which I can be sharpened. Like Adam you are made out of clay.

 

[TomL]

Yes, but you never address what God told Abram the Hebrew when He made those covenant promises with him and if one is going to talk about contracts and promises one doesn't ignore the contracts themselves. Sitting down with attorneys after someone dies to sort out the decedents last will and testament is required in this life. So, if you're not familiar with the will you really can't judge anything and without a basis of fact to guide your behavior you follow news cycles and reporters commentaries about such meetings from outside the office when the will is opened and can't judge either, so you're basing your interpretation of the reading of the will, and you haven't even read the will.
So, your beliefs are not based on fact, and I am weary of your ignorance.

These are not non-Hebrew Gentiles. Like Samaritans they are mixed heritage Jew-Gentile offspring who in the 500 years since the remnant returned to the Holy Land grew up in Hellenized culture living as Greeks strangers to the covenants and ignorant of their Hebrew heritage. The Abraham covenant when God made it doesn't mention Gentiles so your adding Gentiles after the fact is just plain stupidity and ignorance of the contract between God and Abraham.

Scripture cannot be broken, Jesus said. No one- not even God - can change a contract and promises after the contract has been signed, sealed, and delivered. What has been agreed to when the covenant was made is a case closed. So, for the record you don't challenge me, you don't have anything new to offer that is able to educate me or increase my learning as a Christian. You possess no iron by which I can be sharpened. Like Adam you are made out of clay.

Utter nonsense. read the text

Galatians 3:16–29 (KJV 1900) — 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. ................... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 2:11–19 — 11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers (to the covenants), but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gentiles who believe on Christ receive the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant

Your idea these are Hebrew gentiles is absurd. A product of your biases