Are we under any covenants?

[brightfame52]

Your interpretation breaks Scripture. You add non-Hebrew Gentiles where they were never under the Law nor were they ever included as Jesus' ethnic people - the twelve tribes.

Thats everyone who belongs to Christ regardless of ethnicity Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gentiles are His Seed Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham[Gentiles]; who is the father of us all,

 

[TomL]

At any time did the Hebrew high priest leave Israel and go to Gentiles to offer sacrifices for them?

NO, he did not.

NO ONE can show me in Scripture when the covenants were made that God included Gentiles in His covenants.

NO ONE CAN DO THIS.

And do you know why? BECAUSE non-Hebrew Gentiles are NOT INCLUDED in any of the three Hebrew covenants.

You can't do it because it is NOT there.

It's in the New Testament which you keep ignoring

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Hello

The gentiles were previously strangers to the covenants of promise

but in Christ they are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Stop denying scripture and believe the truth

 

[TomL]

Thats everyone who belongs to Christ regardless of ethnicity Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gentiles are His Seed Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham[gentiles]; who is the father of us all,

You actually got that one right

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

 

[civic]

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between Israel and God.

Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel. The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:


The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel (Heb 8:13, 12:24).


And again in Jeremiah:


Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,


Gentiles and the Body of Christ

The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time past as well as those in the body
of Christ today are not a part of the covenants.

Paul says,


In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow the provisions of the covenant. (See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?” for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive work of Christ
on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by God’s grace that we receive
eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation. Otherwise grace would not be grace
(Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for any nation today.


Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers today are
of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel of the grace of God
(Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of God apart from our adherence
to any covenant given in time past, we receive it by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)

Amen.

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Yes the New Covenant of His Blood.

 

[Grace ambassador]

"Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for any nation today.

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers today are
of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by The Gospel of The Grace of God
(Ephesians 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive The Mercy and The Grace of God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)
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Precious friends, some think we [ The Body Of Christ Saved By The Precious BLOOD
Of God, The SON! ] are under The New Covenant God Promised Israel:

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD , that I will make a new covenant with​

the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah" (Jeremiah 31:31 AV)​

Question for those who think The Body Of Christ is under The New Covenant Of Israel:

Why is God Not 'Performing' All Of The Following today, Under Grace?:

“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take​

away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will​

put My Spirit within you,..." [ I will agree "we have ALL of these, By His Grace" [ Apart ​

from any covenant, but what about this, According To God's Covenant With Israel? ]:​

​

"...and cause you to walk in My statutes, and ye shall ​

keep My Judgments, and do them.” (Ezekiel 36:26-27 AV)​

Just wondering because, FAR FAR from this, what I do sadly see is a lot of judgmentalism
going on from "works salvationists" who seem to be Confused about "which statutes and
judgments" we are Actually supposed to "walk in, keep, and do," eh?:

There has been Very little response to my query here:

I have decided to follow Jesus?​

Just sayin', or askin' - - Amen.

 

[brightfame52]

If everyone is included, then this breaks and violates Scripture.

Under the Law the sacrifice was to atone yearly for the sins of the children of Israel.
If Jesus fulfilled the Law, and He did, then His sacrifice is in keeping with the Law of Moses and atoned for the sins of the children of Israel finally and eternally.
That's what fulfilling the Law means. Jesus was merely the substitute for the animal and was by God sent as the Lamb of God under the Law to redeem those under the Law. If non-Hebrews were not under the Law, then they were not among the children of Israel ordained of God to be atoned by the sacrifice.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt 1:21.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we [JEWS] might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

Are these all ethnic jews here ? Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Thats everyone who belongs to Christ regardless of ethnicity Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gentiles are His Seed Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham[gentiles]; who is the father of us all,

Your interpretation is in error. The ONLY people that are heirs to the Abraham Covenant are Abraham's seed.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Thats everyone who belongs to Christ regardless of ethnicity Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gentiles are His Seed Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham[Gentiles]; who is the father of us all,

Your interpretation is in error.
The ONLY people that are heirs to the Abraham Covenant are Abraham's seed.

 

[brightfame52]

Your interpretation is in error. The ONLY people that are heirs to the Abraham Covenant are Abraham's seed.

Thats everyone who belongs to Christ regardless of ethnicity Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gentiles are His Seed Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham[gentiles]; who is the father of us all,

 

[brightfame52]

Your interpretation is in error.
The ONLY people that are heirs to the Abraham Covenant are Abraham's seed.

Thats everyone who belongs to Christ regardless of ethnicity Gal 3:28-29

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gentiles are His Seed Rom 4:16

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law[jews], but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham[Gentiles]; who is the father of us all,

 

[jeremiah1five]

It's in the New Testament which you keep ignoring

Ephesians 2:11–22 (NASB 2020) — 11 Therefore remember that previously you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the people of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who previously were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace; 16 and that He might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the hostility. 17 AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; 18 for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Hello

The gentiles were previously strangers to the covenants of promise

but in Christ they are no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

Stop denying scripture and believe the truth

You're not an honest person. Nor are you honest with Scripture.
For four thousand years God has had covenant with Abraham and his seed, protecting them, teaching them, prospering them, and all of a sudden you thing that while the Law of Moses is in force that Jesus who as Lamb of God, died and now Gentiles are miraculously in the Abraham Covenant when it is said Jesus died under the Law in accordance with the Law which means the animal sacrifices were offered yearly for the sins of the Hebrew people, the children of Israel, and Jesus died fulfilling the Law, then this means Jesus died to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY as it was under the Law.
If the 37 "books" of the Old Testament record God's personal history with the Hebrew people and then someone comes along and writes that God has now included Gentiles in the Abraham Covenant when there were NO GENTILES mentioned or named when the covenant was being made between God and Abraham, to choose one Scripture over 37 "books" of the Old Testament over 37 "books" of Hebrew history because it agrees with your theology is simply dishonest. A true student of the bible would continue to search the truth of the matter and come up with the correct conclusion rather than easily choose one Scripture over another because it agrees with their beliefs is most dishonest and anyone that does such a thing is a threat to those who ask, seek, and knock upon any closed door the Lord God has erected to find the answer from Him.

But that's what Gentiles do. For four thousand years God never saved a Gentile and had more respect for the people He's made Promise with than Gentiles and for one seeming passage of Scripture that appears to throw light on the question in favor of Gentile you throw away all the Old Testament record of God's dealing with Hebrews for that one passage?
Very dishonest.
Go back to school. Or at least, stop coming on my threads with your false and heretical beliefs.


And one more thing. Tell Arial she's a LIAR and a fake over at CCAM. I said Jesus called Gentile's "dogs" and "swine" and she banned me for that. Tell her I said the same thing as Jesus and give her this:


24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
Mt 15:23–27.

 

[synergy]

You're not an honest person. Nor are you honest with Scripture.
For four thousand years God has had covenant with Abraham and his seed, protecting them, teaching them, prospering them, and all of a sudden you thing that while the Law of Moses is in force that Jesus who as Lamb of God, died and now Gentiles are miraculously in the Abraham Covenant when it is said Jesus died under the Law in accordance with the Law which means the animal sacrifices were offered yearly for the sins of the Hebrew people, the children of Israel, and Jesus died fulfilling the Law, then this means Jesus died to atone for the sins of the children of Israel ONLY as it was under the Law.
If the 37 "books" of the Old Testament record God's personal history with the Hebrew people and then someone comes along and writes that God has now included Gentiles in the Abraham Covenant when there were NO GENTILES mentioned or named when the covenant was being made between God and Abraham, to choose one Scripture over 37 "books" of the Old Testament over 37 "books" of Hebrew history because it agrees with your theology is simply dishonest. A true student of the bible would continue to search the truth of the matter and come up with the correct conclusion rather than easily choose one Scripture over another because it agrees with their beliefs is most dishonest and anyone that does such a thing is a threat to those who ask, seek, and knock upon any closed door the Lord God has erected to find the answer from Him.

But that's what Gentiles do. For four thousand years God never saved a Gentile and had more respect for the people He's made Promise with than Gentiles and for one seeming passage of Scripture that appears to throw light on the question in favor of Gentile you throw away all the Old Testament record of God's dealing with Hebrews for that one passage?
Very dishonest.
Go back to school. Or at least, stop coming on my threads with your false and heretical beliefs.

Either I believe Apostle Paul (and the entire NT) who includes Gentiles in the New Covenant or I believe in your Judaizing Ethnic Cleansing ideas. Sorry, you lose!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Are these all ethnic jews here ? Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

"OUT OF" meaning the Jews live all over the world and are not all settled in their own country because God scattered them into Gentile lands. So, God calls them "OUT OF" these places in Gentile lands OUT of every kindred, tongue, and people to place them finally into their own land called Israel. It's the same thing here:

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Jn 17:6.

You're just as dishonest as @TomL and @Arial. You find one seeming passage of Scripture by Saul bringing up Gentiles and interpret his words to mean Gentiles are now in the Abraham Covenant and saved and you reject 37 "books" of the Old Testament that records God's personal dealing with Hebrew people in order to maintain that one Scripture over four thousands of years of God's caring for Abraham's seed and all of a sudden you think you have a rightly divided passage of doctrinal Scripture? This shows you're not an honest person and not a true student of truth. You pick one passage over 37 "books" of the Old Testament record of God having covenant three times with the Hebrew people and now you think you're in the possession of truth? What a joke. Do you really want to know what God thinks of the Gentile nations?

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

You call God a liar. You're a false witness.

 

[brightfame52]

@jeremiah1five

OUT OF" meaning the Jews live all over the world

Lol Can we say deceived ? This poster says these are all ethnic jews Rv 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[civic]

Actually, there is a Covenant that the Bible says that we all come under. It is the Ultimate Covenant, that clearly supercedes all other covenants. Read Luke 22:20.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Gentiles are definitely part of that New Covenant brought near by the blood of Christ, as declared by Paul in Eph 2:11-13

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Amen

 

[jeremiah1five]

Are these all ethnic jews here ? Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

They are ALL the seed of Abraham no matter if they are mixed heritage (Jew-Gentile offspring.)
As long as they are Abraham's seed and there's a Hebrew parent somewhere in the person's ancestry, then they are STILL Abraham's seed, and THEY ARE the rightful heirs of the Promises. But there are NO non-Hebrew Gentiles in covenant with God because non-Hebrew Gentiles are not Abraham's seed.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Either I believe Apostle Paul (and the entire NT) who includes Gentiles in the New Covenant or I believe in your Judaizing Ethnic Cleansing ideas. Sorry, you lose!

Either Saul broke Scripture or your interpretation broke Scripture.

Sowwy. Your interpretation is what is broken. You lose.

 

[jeremiah1five]

@jeremiah1five



Lol Can we say deceived ? This poster says these are all ethnic jews Rv 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And Revelation is speaking of the Chosen people of God the Hebrews. THEY ARE kings and priests, not Gentiles.
There is nowhere in the OT God calls Gentiles His kings and priests. But He does say that about the children of Israel.
Revelation is prophecy to and for the children of Israel. It is not for Gentiles. In fact, it is Gentiles whom God destroys upon His return. And again in chapter 20.

 

[synergy]

Either Saul broke Scripture or your interpretation broke Scripture.

Sowwy. Your interpretation is what is broken. You lose.

I believe Paul when he says that Gentiles were grafted in as branches into the Olive Tree.

Also, there's the New Covenant that Gentiles are included in and that you continuously run away from as fast as your legs can take you. Read Luke 22:20 and then Eph 2:11-13.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Gentiles are definitely part of that New Covenant brought near by the blood of Christ, as declared by Paul in Eph 2:11-13

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Why don't you believe Paul? I thought he was your favorite Apostle of all times.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I believe Paul when he says that Gentiles were grafted in as branches into the Olive Tree.

Also, there's the New Covenant that Gentiles are included in and that you continuously run away from as fast as your legs can take you. Read Luke 22:20 and then Eph 2:11-13.

20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Gentiles are definitely part of that New Covenant brought near by the blood of Christ, as declared by Paul in Eph 2:11-13

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Why don't you believe Paul? I thought he was your favorite Apostle of all times.

Gentiles were NEVER part of the three Hebrew covenants.
It's your interpretation that is false.