Are we under any covenants?

[Peterlag]

Sorry, your opinion does not substitute for the word of God

The spirit is involved in personal activity

He leads, teaches, states, sends and can be grieved, insulted etc

Have you ever insulted an impersonal thing?

The spirit is involved in personal activity. Yes it is.

It leads, teaches, and states.

Can you give me a verse that says the spirit of God can be insulted?

 

[TomL]

I use of the word 'it' in relation to the "spirit" not the "Holy Spirit" which is God.

When Scripture uses the word "the Holy Spirit" it is referring to God. At other times when it's referred to as the "Power from on High" it's an it.

When referred to as "spirit" it's an it.

Spiritual gifts are mostly referring to the manifestations of the spirit which is an it.

The "Holy Spirit" is God who bestows it on us. The "the new nature'" which the Believer receives is an it.

The holy Spirit is differentiated from the Father

The Father sent the Holy Spirit: John 14:15; 15:26.
The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us: Rom. 8:26-27.
The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

 

[TomL]

The spirit is involved in personal activity. Yes it is.

It leads, teaches, and states.

Can you give me a verse that says the spirit of God can be insulted?

So how does an impersonal thing get involved in personal activities

What's your answer?

Hebrews 10:29 (NASB 2020) — 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?


an impersonal thing cannot be insulted

 

[Runningman]

Who cares about sometimes

The fact is the Spirit was involved in personal things which you do not address

leading, teaching, stating, sending etc

Holy Spirit can be an anointing or person, but certainly not a third person. That's the point.

 

[dwight92070]

Only trinity folks refer to Jesus as just a man like the rest of us or just a mere man. Guys like me never talk like that. We refer to Jesus as God's son, the Messiah, who God raised from the dead and made him both Lord and Christ.

Notice how Peterlag totally ignored the substance of what I said - about Jesus' birth. He is only able to point at a peripheral issue, because he can't refute the substance. Apparently no "anti-Deity of Christ" person can explain the birth of Jesus, if He is "just a man". Actually "just a man" is what you guys believe, although you might think of him as an exalted man. The truth is, the Bible never speaks of a man who is on a higher level than other men, but is still not God. A man may be the ruler of a world empire, but he is still just a man. There are two categories: 1. God and 2. Man. There is nothing in between those two, unless you want to throw in the angels - whom we will one day judge, so ultimately they are not greater than man.

Yes, you guys acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah and God's Son, but then you say that, at the same time, He was a man like the rest of us. His birth clearly disproves that, but you don't even want to touch that.

By the way, in addition to the Bible saying that God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus said that He would raise Himself from the dead. Please explain how a man like the rest of us can do that? But don't forget to also explain His birth, since He is a man like the rest of us.
John 2:19 "Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Or will you ignore this truth as well?

 

[Peterlag]

Notice how Peterlag totally ignored the substance of what I said - about Jesus' birth. He is only able to point at a peripheral issue, because he can't refute the substance. Apparently no "anti-Deity of Christ" person can explain the birth of Jesus, if He is "just a man". Actually "just a man" is what you guys believe, although you might think of him as an exalted man. The truth is, the Bible never speaks of a man who is on a higher level than other men, but is still not God. A man may be the ruler of a world empire, but he is still just a man. There are two categories: 1. God and 2. Man. There is nothing in between those two, unless you want to throw in the angels - whom we will one day judge, so ultimately they are not greater than man.

Yes, you guys acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah and God's Son, but then you say that, at the same time, He was a man like the rest of us. His birth clearly disproves that, but you don't even want to touch that.

By the way, in addition to the Bible saying that God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus said that He would raise Himself from the dead. Please explain how a man like the rest of us can do that? But don't forget to also explain His birth, since He is a man like the rest of us.
John 2:19 "Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

Or will you ignore this truth as well?

 

[Peterlag]

So how does an impersonal thing get involved in personal activities

What's your answer?

Hebrews 10:29 (NASB 2020) — 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?


an impersonal thing cannot be insulted

E.W Bullinger says the word "Spirit" in Hebrews 10:29 is referring to God. And God cannot be insulted and so it is a figure of speech.

 

[Peterlag]

The holy Spirit is differentiated from the Father

The Father sent the Holy Spirit: John 14:15; 15:26.
The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us: Rom. 8:26-27.
The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

I disagree. I believe God is the Holy Spirit. The holy spirit God sent is a spiritual gift and therefore it's an it. It is not a person or a him or any such nonsense as another God.

 

[TomL]

I disagree. I believe God is the Holy Spirit. The holy spirit God sent is a spiritual gift and therefore it's an it. It is not a person or a him or any such nonsense as another God.

You can disagree, but you have not addressed how they are differentiated in Scripture

The Father sent the Holy Spirit: John 14:15; 15:26.
The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us: Rom. 8:26-27.
The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

The Holy Spirit God sent

teaches, convicts, leads, states can be grieved, can be insulted, can be lied to

these are personal traits

 

[TomL]

E.W Bullinger says the word "Spirit" in Hebrews 10:29 is referring to God. And God cannot be insulted and so it is a figure of speech.

God yes. God the Spirit

But where is this as in EW Bulinger on Esword this is the note

sore = worse, as elsewhere. Greek. cheiron.
punishment. Greek. timoria. Only here.
thought worthy. Greek. axioo. See Heb_3:3.
trodden = trampled. Same as Mat_7:6.
Son of God. App-98.
counted. Greek. hegeomai. See Act_26:2.
wherewith = with (Greek. en. App-104.) which.
unholy = "unclean", or "valueless". Compare Mrk_7:2. Act_11:8; &c.
done, &c. = insulted. Greek. enubrizo. Only here. Compare Act_14:5.
grace. Greek. charis. App-184. This expression only here.

BTW who stated God cannot be insulted

2 Chronicles 32:17 (UASV) — 17 And he wrote letters to insult Jehovah, the God of Israel, and to speak against him, saying, “Like the gods of the nations of the lands who have not delivered their people from my hands, so the God of Hezekiah will not deliver his people from my hand.”

2 Kings 19:16 (NIV84) — 16 Give ear, O LORD, and hear; open your eyes, O LORD, and see; listen to the words Sennacherib has sent to insult the living God.

Psalm 69:9 (NIV84) — 9 for zeal for your house consumes me, and the insults of those who insult you fall on me.

Look like you err

 

[Peterlag]

You can disagree, but you have not addressed how they are differentiated in Scripture

The Father sent the Holy Spirit: John 14:15; 15:26.
The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us: Rom. 8:26-27.
The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

The Holy Spirit God sent

teaches, convicts, leads, states can be grieved, can be insulted, can be lied to

these are personal traits

I have posted much on this topic and you continue to ignore what I post and then say I did not post it. See Appendix E at the following website address so you will have it and this way you can stop saying I did not post data on how the words "Holy Spirit" and "holy spirit" are used in the Bible... https://www.carb-fat.com/trinity.html

 

[TomL]

I have posted much on this topic and you continue to ignore what I post and then say I did not post it. See Appendix E at the following website address so you will have it and this way you can stop saying I did not post data on how the words "Holy Spirit" and "holy spirit" are used in the Bible... https://www.carb-fat.com/trinity.html

Not that I have seen. I do see however you are not addressing how they are differentiated

The Father sent the Holy Spirit: John 14:15; 15:26.
The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us: Rom. 8:26-27.
The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

The Holy Spirit God sent

teaches, convicts, leads, states can be grieved, can be insulted, can be lied to

these are personal traits

Your web reference does not address that

 

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'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
Whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger,
and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another,
tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)

 

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Subject Heading:- 'Are We Under Any Covenants?- @Grace ambassador

Precious friends, for your prayerful and Careful consideration:

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"When the Bible speaks of covenants in the specific sense, it is speaking of the covenants given to God’s chosen nation Israel. No one today in the dispensation of Grace is a partaker of the covenants which are made between Israel and God.

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Hebrews 8:7 speaks of the first covenant and the second covenant given to Israel. The first covenant describes the Law as given to Israel at Horeb:

“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.” – Deuteronomy 5:2

The second covenant, or ‘better covenant’, is the ‘new covenant’ also given to Israel (Heb 8:13, 12:24).

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;…” – Hebrews 8:10

And again in Jeremiah:

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:” – Jeremiah 31:31

Knowing that the covenants were given to Israel and Judah, Paul stated concerning his brethren according to the flesh, Israel,

“…to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;…” Romans 9:4

Gentiles and the Body of Christ
The covenants were between God and Israel regarding their future redemption as spoken of by the prophets since the world began. However, Gentiles in time past as well as those in the body of Christ today are not a part of the covenants. Paul says,

“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:” – Ephesians 2:12

In order for a Gentile in time past to get the blessings of God they had to follow the provisions of the covenant.
(See “Did Gentiles in the Old Testament get saved?” for more.) However, they were estranged from the covenants given to Israel.

During the dispensation of Grace, believers receive the benefits of the redemptive work of Christ on the cross outside of any covenant relationship. It was purely by God’s grace that we receive eternal life and the blessings associated with salvation. Otherwise grace would not be grace (Romans 11:6).

Today there is neither Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status before God for any nation today.

“For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.” – Romans 11:32

Instead of a covenant providing the necessary terms of redemption, believers today are of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel of the grace of God (Eph 3:6, Titus 1:2-3). We receive the mercy and the grace of God apart from our adherence to any covenant given in time past, we receive it by faith (Romans 5:1, 8-10)."

(J Johnson, a fellow Grace ambassador)
Amen.

Praise God!

 

[TomL]

Subject Heading:- 'Are We Under Any Covenants?- @Grace ambassador


Praise God!

Gentiles who trust in Christ are Abraham's heirs and inheritors of the promises made to Abraham in the Abrahamic covenant

Galatians 3:6–9 (UASV) — 6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 7 Know, then, that the ones of faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God justifies the nations by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.

Galatians 3:29 (KJV 1900) — 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:14 (KJV 1900) — 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


God is looking for a spiritual seed; Those who are of the faith of Abraham

 

[Peterlag]

Not that I have seen. I do see however you are not addressing how they are differentiated

The Father sent the Holy Spirit: John 14:15; 15:26.
The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us: Rom. 8:26-27.
The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

The Holy Spirit God sent

teaches, convicts, leads, states can be grieved, can be insulted, can be lied to

these are personal traits

Your web reference does not address that

The web address I gave is concerning Appendix E. Did you go there or the beginning which is Appendix D?

 

[TomL]

The web address I gave is concerning Appendix E. Did you go there or the beginning which is Appendix D?

E

 

[Ozias]

My 2 cents, the covenant of redemption. The covenant of redemption is the agreement made between the members of the Trinity in order to bring us salvation. Under this covenant, the Father plans redemption and sends the Son in order to save His people. The Son agrees to be sent and to do the work necessary to save us and the Spirit agrees to apply the work of Christ to us by sealing us unto salvation.

 

[dwight92070]

Peterlag, post: 118509, member: 274"]
The spirit is involved in personal activity. Yes it is.

It leads, teaches, and states.

Can you give me a verse that says the spirit of God can be insulted?
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I have posted much on this topic and you continue to ignore what I post and then say I did not post it. See Appendix E at the following website address so you will have it and this way you can stop saying I did not post data on how the words "Holy Spirit" and "holy spirit" are used in the Bible... https://www.carb-fat.com/trinity.html

There are close to 10 or more non-Trinitarian views, so the point in your article that there are many Trinitarian views is irrelevant. Also it says that there is no clear teaching of the Trinity in the Bible - again irrelevant. There is no clear teaching of hell either, but we know it is a reality. There is no clear teaching on casting out demons, but it too is a truth. In fact there's no clear teaching on heaven, but it is true. Look how many views there are on Revelation and on the end times events, yet both are realities. The idea that the Trinity doctrine can only be "validated" by piecing together parts of scripture all over the Bible - there are many doctrines like that, so that proves nothing. Is it not true that each "piece" is inspired by God?
In fact, you do the exact same thing "proving" Jesus is not God. Because every scripture we use to show that Jesus is God - and there are many - you use the same scripture to say He is not God - so you use the same "pieces" we do to prove your doctrine - only you interpret them differently. So your post uses the same old, tired, false interpretations - nothing new or provable there.

 

[Peterlag]

Peterlag, post: 118509, member: 274"]
The spirit is involved in personal activity. Yes it is.

It leads, teaches, and states.

Can you give me a verse that says the spirit of God can be insulted?

There are close to 10 or more non-Trinitarian views, so the point in your article that there are many Trinitarian views is irrelevant. Also it says that there is no clear teaching of the Trinity in the Bible - again irrelevant. There is no clear teaching of hell either, but we know it is a reality. There is no clear teaching on casting out demons, but it too is a truth. In fact there's no clear teaching on heaven, but it is true. Look how many views there are on Revelation and on the end times events, yet both are realities. The idea that the Trinity doctrine can only be "validated" by piecing together parts of scripture all over the Bible - there are many doctrines like that, so that proves nothing. Is it not true that each "piece" is inspired by God?
In fact, you do the exact same thing "proving" Jesus is not God. Because every scripture we use to show that Jesus is God - and there are many - you use the same scripture to say He is not God - so you use the same "pieces" we do to prove your doctrine - only you interpret them differently. So your post uses the same old, tired, false interpretations - nothing new or provable there.
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Peterlag, post: 118509, member: 274"]
The spirit is involved in personal activity. Yes it is.

It leads, teaches, and states.

Can you give me a verse that says the spirit of God can be insulted?

There are close to 10 or more non-Trinitarian views, so the point in your article that there are many Trinitarian views is irrelevant. Also it says that there is no clear teaching of the Trinity in the Bible - again irrelevant. There is no clear teaching of hell either, but we know it is a reality. There is no clear teaching on casting out demons, but it too is a truth. In fact there's no clear teaching on heaven, but it is true. Look how many views there are on Revelation and on the end times events, yet both are realities. The idea that the Trinity doctrine can only be "validated" by piecing together parts of scripture all over the Bible - there are many doctrines like that, so that proves nothing. Is it not true that each "piece" is inspired by God?
In fact, you do the exact same thing "proving" Jesus is not God. Because every scripture we use to show that Jesus is God - and there are many - you use the same scripture to say He is not God - so you use the same "pieces" we do to prove your doctrine - only you interpret them differently. So your post uses the same old, tired, false interpretations - nothing new or provable there.
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Peterlag, post: 118509, member: 274"]
The spirit is involved in personal activity. Yes it is.

It leads, teaches, and states.

Can you give me a verse that says the spirit of God can be insulted?

There are close to 10 or more non-Trinitarian views, so the point in your article that there are many Trinitarian views is irrelevant. Also it says that there is no clear teaching of the Trinity in the Bible - again irrelevant. There is no clear teaching of hell either, but we know it is a reality. There is no clear teaching on casting out demons, but it too is a truth. In fact there's no clear teaching on heaven, but it is true. Look how many views there are on Revelation and on the end times events, yet both are realities. The idea that the Trinity doctrine can only be "validated" by piecing together parts of scripture all over the Bible - there are many doctrines like that, so that proves nothing. Is it not true that each "piece" is inspired by God?
In fact, you do the exact same thing "proving" Jesus is not God. Because every scripture we use to show that Jesus is God - and there are many - you use the same scripture to say He is not God - so you use the same "pieces" we do to prove your doctrine - only you interpret them differently. So your post uses the same old, tired, false interpretations - nothing new or provable there.
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1.) There is no hell in the Bible. Again, another Catholic concept.

2.) There is a clear teaching on casting out devils. It's done by the authority that is in the resurrected Christ. But then if you think he's God then you would not know how to do that.

3.) There's enough of a clear teaching on heaven to know there is one. Can't say that about the trinity.