Are we under any covenants?

[TomL]

That's debatable. Please answer the questions I provided you first and/or explain them.

Only if you are not willing to heed truth

No one sends themselves but

The Father sent the Holy Spirit:

John 14:15–17 (LEB) — 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us:

Romans 8:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings. 27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is, because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God.

seems the Spirit and the father do communicate, so your claim of non communication seems false


The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

Matthew 28:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Your claim


One can speak against Jesus and be forgiven, but when one speaks against God they aren't forgiven?

does not appear in scripture as worded

Matthew 12
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

It is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is not forgiven

you are reading your views into scripture

The Spirit obviously knows Jesus for he will testify of him

John 15:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

and as for Mat 11:27

Matthew 11:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

It seems a translation issue for the kjv reads man

 

[Peterlag]

Not just the NAB

John 16:4–11 (KJV 1900) — 4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. 5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? 6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

John 14:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me. (John 15:26)

But Greek genders do not necessarily indicate personality. Inanimate things can have masculine and
feminine genders, and personal things can have the neuter gender.

we determine whether the Holy Spirit is personal the same way we would demonstrate that the Father or theSon is a person. Does the Spirit exhibit personality by speaking, using personal pronouns, and doing other things that only persons can do? Does the Spirit have a will? Can we insult or resist the Holy Spirit?One of the clearest indications of the personhood of the Spirit is His use of the personal pronoun in reference to himself. That is, I prove my own personhood by speaking of myself as “I” and “me.” The Spirit likewise speaks of himself in this way. When the Spirit set aside Barnabas and Saul,He did so personally:

While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them” (Acts 13:2).

While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself” (Acts 10:19–20).

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will notspeak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to youwhat is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. (John16:13–14)

Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot” (Acts 8:29).And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is whatthe Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this beltand deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles’“ (Acts 21:11).

James White- The Forgotten Trinity

A verse has to fit with all the other verses and the whole scope of the Scriptures. I have the spirit of Christ born in me when I got born again. It's my spirit that is a gift from God because it came from him. This thinking fits with all the other teachings of Scripture. Yours does not. There's no living person or part of the Trinity living in me flying in and out as it functions as part of a God head.

 

[TomL]

A verse has to fit with all the other verses and the whole scope of the Scriptures. I have the spirit of Christ born in me when I got born again. It's my spirit that is a gift from God because it came from him. This thinking fits with all the other teachings of Scripture. Yours does not. There's no living person or part of the Trinity living in me flying in and out as it functions as part of a God head.

The issue was gender and personhood

What you imagine is in your is irrelevant to this issue.

Biblical truth is established by scripture

John 16:4–11 (KJV 1900) — 4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. 5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? 6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

John 14:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me. (John 15:26)

But Greek genders do not necessarily indicate personality. Inanimate things can have masculine and
feminine genders, and personal things can have the neuter gender.

we determine whether the Holy Spirit is personal the same way we would demonstrate that the Father or theSon is a person. Does the Spirit exhibit personality by speaking, using personal pronouns, and doing other things that only persons can do? Does the Spirit have a will? Can we insult or resist the Holy Spirit?One of the clearest indications of the personhood of the Spirit is His use of the personal pronoun in reference to himself. That is, I prove my own personhood by speaking of myself as “I” and “me.” The Spirit likewise speaks of himself in this way. When the Spirit set aside Barnabas and Saul,He did so personally:

While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them” (Acts 13:2).

While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself” (Acts 10:19–20).

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will notspeak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to youwhat is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. (John16:13–14)

Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot” (Acts 8:29).And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is whatthe Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this beltand deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles’“ (Acts 21:11).

James White- The Forgotten Trinity

 

[Runningman]

Only if you are not willing to heed truth

No one sends themselves but

The Father sent the Holy Spirit:

John 14:15–17 (LEB) — 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us:

Romans 8:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings. 27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is, because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God.

seems the Spirit and the father do communicate, so your claim of non communication seems false


The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

Matthew 28:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Your claim


One can speak against Jesus and be forgiven, but when one speaks against God they aren't forgiven?

does not appear in scripture as worded

Matthew 12
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

It is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which is not forgiven

you are reading your views into scripture

The Spirit obviously knows Jesus for he will testify of him

John 15:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

and as for Mat 11:27

Matthew 11:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

It seems a translation issue for the kjv reads man

The word "Spirit" is in the neuter so it can easily refer to an it unless, contextually, it can be demonstrated otherwise. That's why the holy spirit is not always an actual person. You referenced the "spirit of truth" in John 14:17, yet in 1 John 4:7, the "spirit of truth" is compared directly to the "spirit of error" in the KJV. So for the comparison to be equal, the "spirit of error" must also be a person or else it would be like comparing God to a thing. In the context you provided, the spirit represents influence over a person. The spirit of truth would then be better understood as a thing in the example you provided. It's referring to a spiritual gift that would lead them into all truth according to John 16:13. There is also also personification applied to it because it "hears" and "speaks" but not as a separate person from the Father, the only true God.

 

[TomL]

The word "Spirit" is in the neuter so it can easily refer to an it unless, contextually, it can be demonstrated otherwise. That's why the holy spirit is not always an actual person. You referenced the "spirit of truth" in John 14:17, yet in 1 John 4:7, the "spirit of truth" is compared directly to the "spirit of error" in the KJV. So for the comparison to be equal, the "spirit of error" must also be a person or else it would be like comparing God to a thing. In the context you provided, the spirit represents influence over a person. The spirit of truth would then be better understood as a thing in the example you provided. It's referring to a spiritual gift that would lead them into all truth according to John 16:13. There is also also personification applied to it because it "hears" and "speaks" but not as a separate person from the Father, the only true God.

you had equated the father and the Spirit

No one sends themselves but

The Father sent the Holy Spirit:

John 14:15–17 (LEB) — 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us:

Romans 8:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings. 27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is, because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God.

seems the Spirit and the father do communicate, so your claim of non communication seems false

this is a personal characteristic


The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

Matthew 28:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,



The Spirit obviously knows Jesus for he will testify of him

John 15:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

again personal characteristic

The Spirit leads, testifies, states

these are personal characteristics

1john 4:7 is this

1 John 4:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1John 4:6 however

1 John 4:6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


you will note spirit here is not capitalized

The holy Spirit is not in view

 

[Runningman]

you had equated the father and the Spirit

No one sends themselves but

The Father sent the Holy Spirit:

John 14:15–17 (LEB) — 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us:

Romans 8:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings. 27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is, because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God.

seems the Spirit and the father do communicate, so your claim of non communication seems false

this is a personal characteristic


The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

Matthew 28:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,



The Spirit obviously knows Jesus for he will testify of him

John 15:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

again personal characteristic

The Spirit leads, testifies, states

these are personal characteristics

1john 4:7 is this

1 John 4:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1John 4:6 however

1 John 4:6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


you will note spirit here is not capitalized

The holy Spirit is not in view

This reads like you can't hear what I just informed you of. I was talking about John 14. That isn't the Father sending the Father. That's the Father sending a thing. This is referring to a spirit of holiness, a spiritual gift, the disciples can have, not God sending God, which doesn't seem to be a real Biblical concept. The Trinitarian translation is wrong.

 

[Peterlag]

The issue was gender and personhood

What you imagine is in your is irrelevant to this issue.

Biblical truth is established by scripture

John 16:4–11 (KJV 1900) — 4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. 5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? 6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

John 14:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me. (John 15:26)

But Greek genders do not necessarily indicate personality. Inanimate things can have masculine and
feminine genders, and personal things can have the neuter gender.

we determine whether the Holy Spirit is personal the same way we would demonstrate that the Father or theSon is a person. Does the Spirit exhibit personality by speaking, using personal pronouns, and doing other things that only persons can do? Does the Spirit have a will? Can we insult or resist the Holy Spirit?One of the clearest indications of the personhood of the Spirit is His use of the personal pronoun in reference to himself. That is, I prove my own personhood by speaking of myself as “I” and “me.” The Spirit likewise speaks of himself in this way. When the Spirit set aside Barnabas and Saul,He did so personally:

While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them” (Acts 13:2).

While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself” (Acts 10:19–20).

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will notspeak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to youwhat is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. (John16:13–14)

Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot” (Acts 8:29).And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is whatthe Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this beltand deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles’“ (Acts 21:11).

James White- The Forgotten Trinity

The issue according to the OP is the new covenant which deals with the new spirit of Christ. The new covenant has nothing to do with gender or a personhood.

 

[TomL]

The issue according to the OP is the new covenant which deals with the new spirit of Christ. The new covenant has nothing to do with gender or a personhood.

This is what you wrote

Peterlag said:
It's not a him. The spirit is an it. Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him”because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and “S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lowercase such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.

And I addressed it with

The issue was gender and personhood

What you imagine is in your is irrelevant to this issue.

Biblical truth is established by scripture

John 16:4–11 (KJV 1900) — 4 But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. 5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? 6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

John 14:15–17 (KJV 1900) — 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me. (John 15:26)

But Greek genders do not necessarily indicate personality. Inanimate things can have masculine and
feminine genders, and personal things can have the neuter gender.

we determine whether the Holy Spirit is personal the same way we would demonstrate that the Father or theSon is a person. Does the Spirit exhibit personality by speaking, using personal pronouns, and doing other things that only persons can do? Does the Spirit have a will? Can we insult or resist the Holy Spirit?One of the clearest indications of the personhood of the Spirit is His use of the personal pronoun in reference to himself. That is, I prove my own personhood by speaking of myself as “I” and “me.” The Spirit likewise speaks of himself in this way. When the Spirit set aside Barnabas and Saul,He did so personally:

While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them” (Acts 13:2).

While Peter was reflecting on the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. But get up, go downstairs and accompany them without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself” (Acts 10:19–20).

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will notspeak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to youwhat is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. (John16:13–14)

Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot” (Acts 8:29).And coming to us, he took Paul’s belt and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “This is whatthe Holy Spirit says: ‘In this way the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this beltand deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles’“ (Acts 21:11).

James White- The Forgotten Trinity

 

[Peterlag]

This is what you wrote


And I addressed it with

I responded to you with the following because you have a post that keeps calling the spirit a him. If we are going to understand the new covenant then we need to understand the spirit of Christ which is not a person. It's spirit.

It's not a him. The spirit is an it. Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him”because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and “S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lowercase such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.

 

[TomL]

I responded to you with the following because you have a post that keeps calling the spirit a him. If we are going to understand the new covenant then we need to understand the spirit of Christ which is not a person. It's spirit.

It's not a him. The spirit is an it. Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him”because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and “S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lowercase such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.

You employ Selective sighting and translation shopping

Because one translation reads it we should ignore the many which use he.

In any case gender is just a classification tool A neuter or feminine pronoun does not determine whether subject is neuter or feminine

The point however is Scripture shows the Spirit doing personal things

Leading, teaching, saying, selecting etc

These are personal actions you do not deal with

 

[TomL]

This reads like you can't hear what I just informed you of. I was talking about John 14. That isn't the Father sending the Father. That's the Father sending a thing. This is referring to a spirit of holiness, a spiritual gift, the disciples can have, not God sending God, which doesn't seem to be a real Biblical concept. The Trinitarian translation is wrong.

Well lets see

I posted

you had equated the father and the Spirit

No one sends themselves but

The Father sent the Holy Spirit:

John 14:15–17 (LEB) — 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

That is the Father sending the Spirit

Only you are calling him a thing but you ignore the personal activities I noted below

The Holy Spirit intercedes with the Father for us:

Romans 8:26–27 (LEB) — 26 And likewise also, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, for we do not know how to pray as one ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with unexpressed groanings. 27 And the one who searches our hearts knows what the mindset of the Spirit is, because he intercedes on behalf of the saints according to the will of God.

seems the Spirit and the father do communicate, so your claim of non communication seems false

this is a personal characteristic


The Father and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

Matthew 28:19 (LEB) — 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


The Spirit obviously knows Jesus for he will testify of him

John 15:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

again personal characteristic

The Spirit leads, testifies, states

these are personal characteristics

You did not deal with that

 

[Runningman]

Well lets see

I posted


That is the Father sending the Spirit

Only you are calling him a thing but you ignore the personal activities I noted below



You did not deal with that

The word spirit is in the the neuter which can be a thing sometimes. My argument is your version is translated wrong. It could just as easily be what I proposed.

 

[TomL]

The word spirit is in the the neuter which can be a thing sometimes. My argument is your version is translated wrong. It could just as easily be what I proposed.

Who cares about sometimes

The fact is the Spirit was involved in personal things which you do not address

leading, teaching, stating, sending etc

 

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Who cares about sometimes

The fact is the Spirit was involved in personal things which you do not address

leading, teaching, stating, sending etc

'And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed
unto the day of redemption.'
(Eph 4:30)

 

[TomL]

'And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed
unto the day of redemption.'
(Eph 4:30)

Yes, You cannot grieve that which is impersonal thing

 

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Hello there,

In Scripture, sometimes the Holy Spirit is being referred to by the word 'Spirit', at other times it is Power from on High which is referred to as 'spirit', and sometimes reference is being made to the 'spiritual gifts' which the Holy Spirit bestows. It is also used of 'the new nature' which the Believer receives. Above is a useful reference work on the subject.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Peterlag]

You employ Selective sighting and translation shopping

Because one translation reads it we should ignore the many which use he.

In any case gender is just a classification tool A neuter or feminine pronoun does not determine whether subject is neuter or feminine

The point however is Scripture shows the Spirit doing personal things

Leading, teaching, saying, selecting etc

These are personal actions you do not deal with

The spirit is God's gift to us and it is always an it. God who is the Spirit and who is Holy is many times referred to as the Holy Spirit. I know I wrote this all down in a few places. There's nothing else on this subject. It's not hard to understand.

 

[TomL]

The spirit is God's gift to us and it is always an it. God who is the Spirit and who is Holy is many times referred to as the Holy Spirit. I know I wrote this all down in a few places. There's nothing else on this subject. It's not hard to understand.

Sorry, your opinion does not substitute for the word of God

The spirit is involved in personal activity

He leads, teaches, states, sends and can be grieved, insulted etc

Have you ever insulted an impersonal thing?

 

[Complete]

The spirit is God's gift to us and it is always an it. God who is the Spirit and who is Holy is many times referred to as the Holy Spirit. I know I wrote this all down in a few places. There's nothing else on this subject. It's not hard to understand.

Hello @Peterlag,

Your use of the word 'it' in relation to the Holy Spirit is offensive to one who loves the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord, and honours His word, both written and Living. It is also totally incorrect.

As I said earlier in #416 (quote):- In Scripture, sometimes the Holy Spirit is being referred to by the word 'Spirit', at other times it is Power from on High which is referred to as 'spirit', and sometimes reference is being made to the 'spiritual gifts' which the Holy Spirit bestows. It is also used of 'the new nature' which the Believer receives.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Peterlag]

Hello @Peterlag,

Your use of the word 'it' in relation to the Holy Spirit is offensive to one who loves the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord, and honours His word, both written and Living. It is also totally incorrect.

As I said earlier in #416 (quote):- In Scripture, sometimes the Holy Spirit is being referred to by the word 'Spirit', at other times it is Power from on High which is referred to as 'spirit', and sometimes reference is being made to the 'spiritual gifts' which the Holy Spirit bestows. It is also used of 'the new nature' which the Believer receives.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I use of the word 'it' in relation to the "spirit" not the "Holy Spirit" which is God.

When Scripture uses the word "the Holy Spirit" it is referring to God. At other times when it's referred to as the "Power from on High" it's an it.

When referred to as "spirit" it's an it.

Spiritual gifts are mostly referring to the manifestations of the spirit which is an it.

The "Holy Spirit" is God who bestows it on us. The "the new nature'" which the Believer receives is an it.