An Article on free will

Yes, that too. The critical point is that faith is not a work of the law and therefore is a work leading to salvation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved (Mark 16:16).
Actually Faith is a work of the Law Matt 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
The way I see it, belief and faith and love are not works. In other words, we don’t do belief; we don’t do faith; we don’t do love. There’s nothing we can do in order for God to save us. Why? …because Jesus alone did it.
Jesus, in His death on the cross, provided the sacrifice, the ransom paid to God, that is the basis upon which God can save us. The question that remains is who those are whom God saves based upon that universally paid ransom. God saves those who believe. Believing is something that we do in order for God choosing us to save. Believing is a work (John 6:29). It is just not a work of law.
 
But it speaks of believe and being baptised.

It is an incomplete thought, and one that has been suggested was added by someone else after Mark 16:8 which an original stopped ther.

IMO I think without the entire vesrse it should not be used because as you posted it it makes one believe that Baptism saves
and there biblically are other thoughts on that.
Whoever thinks that baptism saves does not understand even what salvation is. God is who saves. Belief and baptism are conditions met by the ones whom God saves.
For me. Faith in Jesus saves. Period. All else is added "fluff".
I wouldn't argue with that statement, but it is incomplete. I would question what it means to have faith in Jesus. If Jesus said, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved", does one who rejects what Jesus says there truly believe? Does he really trust Jesus to tell the truth? It is not as if that is the only place in the NT where that baptism is presented in connection with being saved.
 
Jesus, in His death on the cross, provided the sacrifice, the ransom paid to God, that is the basis upon which God can save us. The question that remains is who those are whom God saves based upon that universally paid ransom. God saves those who believe. Believing is something that we do in order for God choosing us to save. Believing is a work (John 6:29). It is just not a work of law.
John 6:29 (NKJV) Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Ohhhhh, got it!!! Thank you, Jim.

Selah
 
Jesus, in His death on the cross, provided the sacrifice, the ransom paid to God, that is the basis upon which God can save us. The question that remains is who those are whom God saves based upon that universally paid ransom. God saves those who believe. Believing is something that we do in order for God choosing us to save. Believing is a work (John 6:29). It is just not a work of law.
When God saves someone, then they believe. Before God saves a person, they dead in sin and depraved.
 
Actually Faith is a work of the Law Matt 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Another one of those terrible translations/interpretations by versions such as the KJV.

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

Faithfulness, not faith.

The KJV translation/interpretation is right up there with Romans 3:3:

(ESV) What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?

(KJV) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Calvinism has built an entire faulty soteriology around such mistranslations/misinterpretations.
 
When you make statements like "God caused me to ....", my response will always be "God caused me to ignore what you said".

You are abundantly clear, you do not believe the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14).

Now, let's review how this dialog got to this point.

Well I guess all I can say is that your understanding of Romans 9 is about as screwed up as your understanding of so much of the rest of the Bible. Your view of such things is apparently that God created this world mostly to condemn humans to hell. But of course in your pride, arrogance and narcissism, you think that doesn't include you.

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being (John 1:3), but you wrote "Your view of such things is apparently that God created this world" with the connotation that you do not believe God created all things.

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(Matthew 7:13-14) says the Word of God, but you wrote "Your view of such things is apparently that God created this world mostly to condemn humans to hell" with the connotation that you do not believe Lord Jesus Christ who declares few enter through the small gate that leads to Life.

With my brother Paul, I say "far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world" (Galatians 6:14).

Evil pride proceeds out of the heart of men (Mark 7:20-23), and your heart's treasure pridefully holds to "I chose Christ" despite your exposure to the Holy Word of God “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation).

I am entirely and unequivocally at the mercy of King Jesus of the Kingdom of God for I have done absolutely nothing to contribute to the salvation Lord Jesus so very graciously delivers me.

Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE SAVIOR JESUS!!!
 
Another one of those terrible translations/interpretations by versions such as the KJV.

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

Faithfulness, not faith.

The KJV translation/interpretation is right up there with Romans 3:3:

(ESV) What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God?

(KJV) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Calvinism has built an entire faulty soteriology around such mistranslations/misinterpretations.
Yeah it is Faith, and if you condition salvation on your faith, you are trying to get saved by the Law. Faith in Salvation is by Grace the fruit of the Spirit.
 
Garbage.

A person dead in sin is indeed depraved. But he is not totally depraved in the sense of Calvinism.
a lost person cant believe the Gospel, the Gospel is hidden to the Lost and they are blinded by the devil into unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Only when one is saved from the power of satan by new birth can you believe the Gospel. And ones freewill cant save them from the power of satan Acts 26:18


To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them
 
To believe is mental assent. To believe in is to have mental assent plus to have trust and confidence. To believe in is to have trust. That is definitional in English and Greek.
The Greek word for "believe" (pisteuo) is used in James 2:19 in which we see that the demons believe that "there is one God", and also in Acts 16:31 which states believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved. So, as we can see the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God", yet the demons do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. The demons lack trust and confidence in Jesus Christ for salvation, which is what results in saving belief.
 
Could you reply to the following please?:

If God is sovereign....in the way that you understand sovereignty....
and God desires that all men be saved:


1 Timothy 2:4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who
desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Then WHY aren't all men saved?

Is the NT lying?
Is God unable to save everyone?
Because Gods Sovereignty never violates mans will. God is the perfect gentleman, loving, good, patient, longsuffering towards us hoping and willing for none to perish but everyone come to repentance/faith in His Son.

And yes God being love does not force His will on mankind but offers His salvation to everyone freely.
The Bible does not lie therefor God is not able to save everyone or else everyone would be saved and hell and the lake of fire would not exist.
 
You are abundantly clear, you do not believe the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14).
2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;

Is the love of Christ spoken about there, the love that Christ has for us or our love that we have for Christ. I would argue that the love which controls us is our love for Christ. Moreover, that verse rejects your view of limited atonement. It says that all have died and one, i.e., Jesus Christ, has died for all.
Now, let's review how this dialog got to this point.

All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being (John 1:3), but you wrote "Your view of such things is apparently that God created this world" with the connotation that you do not believe God created all things.
God did not, cannot, create evil.
Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(Matthew 7:13-14) says the Word of God, but you wrote "Your view of such things is apparently that God created this world mostly to condemn humans to hell" with the connotation that you do not believe Lord Jesus Christ who declares few enter through the small gate that leads to Life.
When Jesus told us to enter through the narrow gate because that gate leads to life. That statement rejects your claim that it is the regenerated that enters the narrow gate. That narrow gate obviously is the gate to being regenerated. Thus the command to enter that gate must be given to someone who has not yet entered and been regenerated.
Evil pride proceeds out of the heart of men (Mark 7:20-23),
Yes, evil pride proceeds out of the heart of men, not out of the heart of God.
Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).
You continued reference to Matthew 15:9 as a rebuttal to free will is simply wrong. It does no such thing. Here again you are a Calvinist grasping really bad interpretations to buttress your totally depraved soteriology (pun intended).

@brightfame52, your soteriology is false!!!
 
The Greek word for "believe" (pisteuo) is used in James 2:19 in which we see that the demons believe that "there is one God", and also in Acts 16:31 which states believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved. So, as we can see the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God", yet the demons do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. The demons lack trust and confidence in Jesus Christ for salvation, which is what results in saving belief.
The difference between believing something and believing in something is that believing IN something is faith. In Greek to believe in is typically stated as pisteuo en or pisteuo epi. Sometimes when it is obvious that the meaning is to believe in, the en or the epi is omitted.

Believing something is mental assent. Believing in something is mental assent plus trust and confidence, i.e., faith.
 
Because Gods Sovereignty never violates mans will. God is the perfect gentleman, loving, good, patient, longsuffering towards us hoping and willing for none to perish but everyone come to repentance/faith in His Son.

And yes God being love does not force His will on mankind but offers His salvation to everyone freely.
The Bible does not lie therefor God is not able to save everyone or else everyone would be saved and hell and the lake of fire would not exist.
Yes, but the other member just won't reply!
I wonder why???
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And thats the exception to the rule. :)
But there are many exceptions to the rule where redemption is not in consideration. The expulsion of Cain, the flood of Noah, the freedom of the Hebrews from Egypt, the suffering of Job, the Babylonian captivity, on and on and on.

The failure to recognize that distinction between God as Ruler of this world and as Redeemer of the lost is the failure of the Calvinist's understanding of Romans 9. The role of God as potter and man as clay is never imposed in God's role as Redeemer.
 
The difference between believing something and believing in something is that believing IN something is faith. In Greek to believe in is typically stated as pisteuo en or pisteuo epi. Sometimes when it is obvious that the meaning is to believe in, the en or the epi is omitted.

Believing something is mental assent. Believing in something is mental assent plus trust and confidence, i.e., faith.
Yes, faith and confidence makes the difference.
 
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