You, and your cohort, have made a concerted effort to belittle and degrade me who proclaims the awesome and majestic Sovereignty of God, but I'll focus on just your efforts, here.
My cohort is God's Word Kermos.
Other than that, I have no cohort, except I'm sure that others on this forum know very well how absolutely incoherent calvinism is.
First, you lied by writing "
You like to concentrate on one word" about a post which contained a short paragraph about the word "
for" in
John 3:16 but 3 longer paragraphs about the Love of God as recorded in
post #6,508.
I really can't converse well with someone that calls me a LIAR because I DON'T AGREE with him.
And you CONFIRMED that you spent a whole post (almost) on one word FOR.
I forget what you said about God's love, but Calvinists don't even understand God's love.
They think God loves ONLY them....the fortunate chosen few.
BUT
Actually, God loves all of His creation.
Perhaps we could stop right here and you could write a paragraph or two on the word ALL.
WHY would the word FOR be so all-important for you?
Because you have to TWIST the word of God to make it make sense in a belief system that makes no sense.
Second, you tried to isolate me as a non-christian heretic by conveying no one believed in the Sovereignty of God for about 1,500 years starting from the time of Christ, and you quoted Ignatius as your proof, but your quote is a much longer modern forgery of the shorter ancient manuscript as recorded in this proof
post #6,695.
You'll have to post my exact words stating that I said you were non-Christian.
Because Kermos....that's not something I would say.
You ARE however, a HERETIC.
If you don't know what that means, it's not my responsibility.
You could look it up.
You'll also have to post exactly my words stating something about the Sovereignty of God not being believed in for 1,500 years.
NOW THESE ARE LIES.
I'll wait for you to post my exact words.
Third, you try to marginalize me by way of you brazenly lie with your "
ONLY CALVINISTS agree that God is the God that YOU THINK He is" which contrasts with the testimony of
@Red Baker wrote "You and others can slander this truth by calling it Calvinism, but I call it the truth of the gospel of Christ, supported by God's very own testimony. Calvin and others from the Reformation period did not hold to this in
the exact way that we just wrote it".
Let me repeat:
ONLY CALVINISTS BELIEVE IN THE GOD YOU BELIEVE IN AND THE GOD YOU THINK HE IS.
You see Kermos....
The God of the bible that I read is NOT THE SAME GOD as the one YOU espouse.
The God YOU espouse DOES NOT EXIST.
He's the figment of the imagination of some men and the most popular and important one gave this imaginary God a system of belief called
CALVINISM.
Here's another quote which contradicts your lie, this time from
@The Rogue Tomato who excludes himself from your "
CALVINISTS" camp when he wrote "I stopped using the term 'Calvinism'. It's intellectually honest to do that because I never read Calvin, nor did I get my ideas about election from Calvin. I didn't get any of my views from TULIP, either. If my views overlap with Calvinism or TULIP at all, I'm unaware of it. I couldn't care less, since I'm not a follower of Calvin, nor a student of TULIP" in
post #747.
I don't really care if anyone knows who JOHN CALVIN is.
Makes no difference.
IF someone preaches Calvinism....
He's a calvinist.
Plain and simple.
You could call yourself what you think sounds sweet....
but you're still a Calvinist because you follow the teachings of John Calvin.
Your post demonstrates your public deception of you not knowing God's Grace. Grace is "unearned love", but you believe that you earn God's Grace by your free-willian conveyance "
in my sovereignty, I choose to permit your resistibly non-sovereign heart's love to enter my sovereign heart" - the fidelity your conveyance about this is assured by your "
God's grace can be resisted" further down in your post, yet Holy Spirit inspired Paul wrote “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (
Romans 8:38-39).
Would you like to get into a discussion on OSAS?
I'm willing.
OSAS or Pers of the Saints, as YOU call it
DOES NOT EXIST
IS NOT FOUND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
And this business of regular, mainline Christians that believe in the REAL Sovereignty of God, and not some god that is afraid to give his creatures FREE WILL....thinking that they save themselves and all that other nonsense those such as yourself state...
IS TIRING Kermos. It's dumb...it's a strawman arguement because NO CHRISTIAN believes he saves himself...
so why not stop with this nonsense?
Oh. I know why....it's all you've got.
As to nothing separating us from God....WE can separate OURSELVES from God.
The God that gave us free will because it is one of HIS attributes which He passed on to us.
The God that will not force us to accept His salvation if we do not want it...
and will not force us to stay with Him if we do not want to.
Free will is so liberating !
Here's what Paul and Peter and James and Jesus thought of separating ourselves from God:
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
For it is impossible,in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known theway of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”
Then you will say,“Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That istrue. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you standfast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God didnot spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note thenthe kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who havefallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in hiskindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.
And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.
My brothers, if any one among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let himknow that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will savehis soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
But I discipline mybody and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others Imyself should be disqualified.
There's plenty more,,,but the above should suffice.
These verses clearly state that one can FALL AWAY from faith.
Self-will or image of Christ will
These 16 parts integrally contribute to one full composition. A response to post #6,699.
Part 1 of 16: Illegitimate Isolation
Part 2 of 16: Self-exaltation
Part 3 of 16: Unity Prayer (Acts 4:24)
Part 4 of 16: CHOOSE, ABLE, list
Part 5 of 16: God creates all
Part 6 of 16: Matthew 11 examined
Part 7 of 16: Free-willian NT Conflict
Part 8 of 16: John 3 16/Matthew 11:25
Part 9 of 16: Free-willian Self-savior
Part 10 of 16: Faith, the gift of God
Part 11 of 16: Free-willian are self-willed
Part 12 of 16: The Potter and the clay
Part 13 of 16: the problem here
Part 14 of 16: you confuse Calvin for Christ
Part 15 of 16: Christ controls Christians
Part 16 of 16: Christians hear Christ
I don't really know what the above is.
I DO agree that you confuse CALVIN for CHRIST.
