An Article on free will

[TomL]

You mentioned a doctrine name that I did not mention in the post to which you replied, and self-willed you revile the graciously awesome Lord Jesus Christ's Majestic sayings (2 Peter 2:9-10) about God choosing man while man chooses not God as appear in the post to which you replied. The Lord willing, I plan to visit every single passage that you mentioned in subsequent posts, but first God has me address your "conclusion".

God loves so very much that God caused me to proclaim the Truth (John 14:6) to @john Evans or anyone else with eyes to see or ears to hear:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

Nothing has changed

Ye have not chosen me. The word here translated chosen is that from which is derived the word elect, and means the same thing. It is frequently thus translated, Mar. 13:20; Mat. 24:22, 24, 31; Col. 3:12. It refers here, doubtless, to his choosing or electing them to be apostles. He says that it was not because they had chosen him to be their teacher and guide, but because he had designated them to be his apostles. See Jn. 6:70; also Mat. 4:18–22.11 Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 341.



But I chose you (ἀλλʼ ἐγω ἐξελεξαμην ὑμας [all’ egō exelexamēn humas]). First aorist middle indicative of ἐκλεγω [eklegō]. See this same verb and tense used for the choice of the disciples by Christ (6:70; 13:18; 15:19). Jesus recognizes his own responsibility in the choice after a night of prayer (Luke 6:13).11 A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 15:16.

12 In these days he went out to the mountain to pray, and all night he continued in prayer to God. 13 And when day came, he called his disciples and chose from them twelve, whom he named apostles: 14 Simon, whom he named Peter, and Andrew his brother, and James and John, and Philip, and Bartholomew, 15 and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon who was called the Zealot, 16 and Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor11 The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Lk 6:12–16.

True, the subject now in hand is not the ordinary election of believers, by which they are adopted to be the children of God, but that special election, by which he set apart his disciples to the office of preaching the Gospel11 John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 2; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 119.

16. οὐχ ὑμεῖς. Not ye chose Me, but I chose you. Ὑμεῖς and ἐγώ are emphatic. Ἐκλέγειν refers to their election to be Apostles (6:70, 13:18; Acts 1:2); therefore the aorist as referring to a definite act in the past should be preserved. So also ἔθηκα, I appointed you, i. e. assigned you to a definite post, as in 2 Tim. 1:11; Heb. 1:2. This is better than ‘I ordained,’ as A. V. here and 1 Tim. 2:7, ‘ordain’ having become a technical term in ecclesiastical language. Comp. Acts 13:47, 20:28; 1 Cor. 12:28. The repetition of ὑμεῖς throughout the verse emphasizes the personal responsibility of the Apostles.11 A. Plummer, The Gospel according to S. John (Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges; Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1896), 286.

In John 15:16, Jesus is not talking about choosing people to salvation, nor is he speaking generally of believers. Rather, he is talking specifically of picking his apostles and preparing them for their ministry, all of which Jesus accomplished during his earthly ministry. There is nothing here about selecting people for salvation before creation.
Smelley, Hutson. Deconstructing Calvinism: A Biblical Analysis and Refutation (p. 184). Hutson Smelley. Kindle Edition.

 

[Kermos]

Why do you deny your own words

Do you imagine you can escape them by speaking about me?

Your deny your own words because the sentence "He does not say they cannot he asks why they do not judge what is right" is a letter for letter quote of your writing that God caused me to attribute to you as occurs in post #4,980 with reference to Luke 12:57; on the other hand, God causes me specifically to write "cannot" in reference to Lord Jesus' blessed sayings recorded in John 3:3 plus John 15:16 plus John 15:19 (visible below), yet we Christians do judge what is right by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Your attribution to me is ludicrous; therefore, the following is accurate.

Sorry you do nothing at all to prove that claim

Luke 12:57–59 (UASV) — 57 And why do you not also judge for yourselves what is right? 58 For as you are going with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to come to a settlement with him on the way, so that he will not drag you to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the bailiff, and the bailiff will throw you into prison. 59 I say to you, you will by no means get out of there until you have paid the very last lepton.

There is nothing it which states they cannot

I am afraid theology has warped your reading ability so that even interpreting a plain text is beyond you.

Look carefully at the post to which you replied because I did not write "cannot" in reference to "why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right
(Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57), so you argue with yourself because you persist with "cannot". You are dead wrong about man having free-will to choose God, and, the Truth (John 14:6) is that no Word of God indicates man was imparted a free-will to choose God. God is exclusively Sovereign in man's salvation as shown in the past posts in this exchange in Truth (John 14:6).

You cannot choose God, and you always fail to judge rightly in your own initiative to choose the Righteous God because the Word of God says such between the below and above.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you preach and teach and believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

You wrote "John 15:5 speaks of the believers walk not the ability to believe" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

TomL's Self-exaltation		Exaltation of Christ
I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for you can choose to believe in me apart from Me (TomL 15:5).		I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

Moreover, you do not believe Jesus (John 5:45-47) when He says "see" (John 3:3) as can be seen in when you wrote "John 3:3 speaks of on experiencing the kingdom of God not seeing it" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot experience yet he can see the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3).		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE GOD - THE GIVER OF LIFE AND SIGHT!!!

 

[TomL]

Your deny your own words because the sentence "He does not say they cannot he asks why they do not judge what is right" is a letter for letter quote of your writing that God caused me to attribute to you as occurs in post #4,980 with reference to Luke 12:57; on the other hand, God causes me specifically to write "cannot" in reference to Lord Jesus' blessed sayings recorded in John 3:3 plus John 15:16 plus John 15:19 (visible below), yet we Christians do judge what is right by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Your attribution to me is ludicrous; therefore, the following is accurate.



Look carefully at the post to which you replied because I did not write "cannot" in reference to "why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right
(Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57), so you argue with yourself because you persist with "cannot". You are dead wrong about man having free-will to choose God, and, the Truth (John 14:6) is that no Word of God indicates man was imparted a free-will to choose God. God is exclusively Sovereign in man's salvation as shown in the past posts in this exchange in Truth (John 14:6).

You cannot choose God, and you always fail to judge rightly in your own initiative to choose the Righteous God because the Word of God says such between the below and above.

Are you well?

Your words

"then you fail to understand basic English because Jesus literally says that people do not have the ability to judge what is right on their own initiative when He asks them why they do not have the ability"

 

[Kermos]

2-Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Jesus did not say that they were willing, rather Jesus said they were not willing as recorded in Matthew 23:37, so Jesus declared the work of their self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Word of God as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:

The Book of civic		The Book of the Apostle Matthew
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I desired to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and even though you were able to willingly in your flesh, yet you were unwilling. (civic 23:37).		Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I desired to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 23:37)

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God

God always gets His desires because we find at the time of Pentecost in Jerusalem that thousands of people (Acts 2:41) receive the wonderful work of God to become believers in the Son whom the Father has sent (John 6:29) shortly after Jesus said the words recorded in Matthew 23:37. God used the people of Jerusalem to show Jesus to the world (Acts 8:1). No one can resist the Will of God (Romans 9:19-23).

According to your preaching, man controls Love, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.

Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.

This post is an integral continuation with:

1. post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
2. post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN KING JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[civic]

Jesus did not say that they were willing, rather Jesus said they were not willing as recorded in Matthew 23:37, so Jesus declared the work of their self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Word of God as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:

The Book of civic		The Book of the Apostle Matthew
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I desired to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and even though you were able to willingly in your flesh, yet you were unwilling. (civic 23:37).		Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I desired to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 23:37)

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God

God always gets His desires because we find at the time of Pentecost in Jerusalem that thousands of people (Acts 2:41) receive the wonderful work of God to become believers in the Son whom the Father has sent (John 6:29) shortly after Jesus said the words recorded in Matthew 23:37. God used the people of Jerusalem to show Jesus to the world (Acts 8:1). No one can resist the Will of God (Romans 9:19-23).

According to your preaching, man controls Love, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.

Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.

This post is an integral continuation with:

1. post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
2. post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN KING JESUS CHRIST!!!

Groundhog Day the sane response in every post. So predictable and irrelevant to my post.

 

[Kermos]

19- Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

YOUR MISTRANSLATION OF HEBREWS 6:4-6

Did you know that the word "impossible" was moved 2 verses from the word's original position in the Greek by the English translators?

And, did you know that when the word "impossible" is in the word's proper position, then the Hebrews 6:4-6 passage is in accord with John 10:27-30?

I recall reading Hebrews 6:4-6 before I knew what a Greek/English interlinear was. When I read that passage in the NASB, it threw me. According to the rendition, there is a point of no return for the Christian. I recall the pastor of the church that we attended had a book that had an explanation, but it was after God brought to my attention the Greek/English interlinear that the true meaning of Hebrews 6:4-6 shines through!

The Greek/English interlinear of Hebrews 6:4-6 is in this post. I put in both Scripture4All.org and Biblehub.com copies along with both the KJV and NASB.

For the sake of clariity, here is the NASB of Hebrews 6:4-6

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and [then] have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame
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Continuing for the sake of clarity, here is the Scripture4All word-for-word Greek to English translation of Hebrews 6:4-6

UN-ABLE for THE-ones ONCE BEING-enLIGHTenED TASTing BESIDES OF-THE gratuity OF-THE ON-heavenly AND WITH-HAVers BEING-BECOME OF-spirit HOLY AND IDEAL TASTing OF-God declaration ABILITIES BESIDES OF-beING-ABOUT AND BESIDE-FALLING AGAIN TO-BE-UP-NEWizING INTO after-MIND UP-impalING to-selves THE SON OF-THE God AND BESIDE-SHOWizING
​

We find that the NASB translators moved UN-ABLE (impossible) from verse 4 to verse 6. That is an unacceptable translation. The NIV adds quite a bit.

But, when we look at Hebrews 6:7-8 immediately subsequent to Hebrews 6:4-6, we find a compare and contrast, here is the NASB

For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
​

The Jews often repeat things, and Hebrews 6:7-8 is a form of repeat of Hebrews 6:4-6.

The compare and contrast is the positive in verse 7 "For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God" with the negative in verse 8 "but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned".

Let us return to the Hebrews 6:7-8 precursor which is Hebrews 6:4-6. Where is the positive in Hebrews 6:4-6? Well, the answer is this, that "Impossible for the ones once enlightened tasting the heavenly gift and become partakers of the Holy Spirit and goodness tasting of God's word power also coming age".

That's a powerful blessing (recall Hebrews 6:7), something is impossible for us believers!

What is the impossible thing? The answer lies in the contrast portion of Hebrews 6:4-6, that specifically is in Hebrews 6:6 "and fall away again restore to repeentance crucifying to themselves the Son of God"

That is a scary curse (recall Hebrews 6:8), yet that curse is impossible for us believers - see the very first word of Hebrews 6:4 which is "adynaton" in Greek and "impossible" in English (UN-ABLE in Scripture4All.org's English)!

Amazing is the point that Lord Jesus declares of we His sheep "I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:28).

And the Word of God says "My Father, who has given [them] to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand" (John 10:29).

Behold how no one that is Jesus' own, not even a person can do to the person's self, can be snatched out of His hand, for His hand is powerful!

Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 6:7-8 are in accord with Lord Jesus' words as recorded by the Apostle John!

1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
2 of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment.

Scripture4All Translation
Scripture4All Further Translation
BibleHub Strongs Number
BibleHub Greek Transliteration
BibleHub Translation
KJV
NASB

6:4
UN-ABLE for THE-ones ONCE BEING-enLIGHTenED TASTing BESIDES OF-THE gratuity OF-THE ON-heavenly AND WITH-HAVers BEING-BECOME OF-spirit HOLY
it-is-impossible the-ones the the celestial partakers

102 1063 3588 530 5461 1089 5037 3588 1431 3588 2032 2532 3353 1096 4151 40

Adynaton gar tous hapax photisthentas geusamenous te tes doreas tes epouraniou kai metochous genethentas Pneumatos Hagiou

[It is] impossible for to those once having been enlightened having tasted then of the gift - heavenly and partakers having become of [the] Spirit Holy

For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

6:5
AND IDEAL TASTing OF-God declaration ABILITIES BESIDES OF-beING-ABOUT
powerful-deeds of-impending

2532 2570 1089 2316 4487 1411 5037 3195 165

kai kalon geusamenous Theou rhema dynameis te mellontos aionos

and [the] goodness having tasted of God's word [the] power also [of the] coming age

And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

6:6
AND BESIDE-FALLING AGAIN TO-BE-UP-NEWizING INTO after-MIND UP-impalING to-selves THE SON OF-THE God AND BESIDE-SHOWizING
falling-aside to-be-renewing repentance ones-crucifying-again to-themselves holding-up-to-infamy-him

2532 3895 3825 340 1519 3341 388 1438 3588 5207 3588 2316 2532 3856

kai parapesontas palin anakainizein eis metanoian anastaurountas heautois ton Huion tou Theou kai paradeigmatizontas

and then having fallen away again to restore [them] to repentance crucifying in themselves the Son - of God and subjecting [Him] to open shame

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

and [then] have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

CONCLUSION ABOUT YOUR MISTRANSLATION ABOUT HEBREWS 6:4-6

The translation in Truth (John 14:6) is "for [it is] impossible for those once enlightened, having also tasted of the heavenly gift, and having become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and tasted the good Word of God, also the powers of the coming age, and having fallen away again to renew [them] to repentance, having crucified to themselves the Son of God again, and exposing to public shame" (Hebrews 6:4-6).

See, the impossibility of a Christian to expose the Christ to public shame (Hebrews 6:4-6) because the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.

Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.

This post is an integral continuation with:

1. post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
2. post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
3. post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE PROMISED DELIVERER!!!

 

[TomL]

Jesus did not say that they were willing, rather Jesus said they were not willing as recorded in Matthew 23:37, so Jesus declared the work of their self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Word of God as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:

The Book of civic		The Book of the Apostle Matthew
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I desired to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and even though you were able to willingly in your flesh, yet you were unwilling. (civic 23:37).		Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I desired to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 23:37)

What does their willingness matter if grace is irresistible and Christ wanted to gather them together?

 

[civic]

What does their willingness matter if grace is irresistible and Christ wanted to gather them together?

Exactly just another strawman

 

[MTMattie]

YOUR MISTRANSLATION OF HEBREWS 6:4-6

Did you know that the word "impossible" was moved 2 verses from the word's original position in the Greek by the English translators?

And, did you know that when the word "impossible" is in the word's proper position, then the Hebrews 6:4-6 passage is in accord with John 10:27-30?



CONCLUSION ABOUT YOUR MISTRANSLATION ABOUT HEBREWS 6:4-6

The translation in Truth (John 14:6) is "for [it is] impossible for those once enlightened, having also tasted of the heavenly gift, and having become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and tasted the good Word of God, also the powers of the coming age, and having fallen away again to renew [them] to repentance, having crucified to themselves the Son of God again, and exposing to public shame" (Hebrews 6:4-6).

See, the impossibility of a Christian to expose the Christ to public shame (Hebrews 6:4-6) because the love of Christ controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.

Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.

This post is an integral continuation with:

1. post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
2. post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
3. post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE PROMISED DELIVERER!!!

Interesting and Educating.... but for me needs more study.
First: Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9). Is not a necessary free will concept when .... Matt 15:9 reads ‘BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.’”

But did you also check the translation from the Complete Jewish Bible on Heb 6: 4-6which reads

4 For when people have once been enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, become sharers in the Ruach HaKodesh, 5 and tasted the goodness of God’s Word and the powers of the ‘olam haba — 6 and then have fallen away — it is impossible to renew them so that they turn from their sin, as long as for themselves they keep executing the Son of God on the stake all over again and keep holding him up to public contempt.

Or the Peshitta

4But those who have descended once to baptism and tasted the gift from Heaven and received The Spirit of Holiness, 5And tasted the good word of God and the power of the future world, 6Who would sin again and again crucify The Son of God, and become contemptible, cannot be renewed to conversion

Just sayin...

 

[TomL]

Exactly just another strawman

Guess grace is not irresistible afterall.

 

[Kermos]

3-Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Holy Scripture as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:

The Book of civic		The Book of Luke
When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and, because He as God was so miserably weak that Jerusalem always resists His grace, He wept over it, yet He did not weep over Jerusalem's unbelief and evil, (civic 19:41).		When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, (Luke 19:41)

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.

Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.

This post is an integral continuation with:

1. post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
2. post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
3. post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
4. post #5,026 - Hebrews 6:4-8 Exposes The Impossibility Of A Christian To Expose The Christ To Public Shame Despite Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AMEN!!!

 

[civic]

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Holy Scripture as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:

The Book of civic		The Book of Luke
When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and, because He as God was so miserably weak that Jerusalem always resists His grace, He wept over it, yet He did not weep over Jerusalem's unbelief and evil, (civic 19:41).		When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, (Luke 19:41)

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.

Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.

This post is an integral continuation with:

1. post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
2. post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
3. post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
4. post #5,026 - Hebrews 6:4-8 Exposes The Impossibility Of A Christian To Expose The Christ To Public Shame Despite Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AMEN!!!

another post denying Jesus words and teachings and replacing them with calvins teachings. Placing the depraved words of man above the Holy Scriptures taught by the Holy One- Jesus Christ.

Scripture interprets scripture and is in perfect harmony the old with the new and you deny them both and make a mockery out of the bible with your fatalism.

Ezekiel 18:31-32
Cast away from yourselves all the transgressions you have committed, and fashion for yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. Why should you die, O house of Israel? / For I take no pleasure in anyone’s death, declares the Lord GOD. So repent and live!

Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

 

[TomL]

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Holy Scripture as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:

The Book of civic		The Book of Luke
When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and, because He as God was so miserably weak that Jerusalem always resists His grace, He wept over it, yet He did not weep over Jerusalem's unbelief and evil, (civic 19:41).		When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, (Luke 19:41)

You are showing yourself a deceiver

 

[brightfame52]

Does a man by nature have a free will? Romans 8:7 answers 'no': "The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

Can a man by nature please God with his so called freewill ? NO Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Sure a person can make a freewill offering, which just means he voluntarily makes the sacrifce without constraint, has noting to do with his spiritually dead volition in pleasing God, that he cannot do

 

[TomL]

Does a man by nature have a free will? Romans 8:7 answers 'no': "The carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

Can a man by nature please God with his so called freewill ? NO Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Sure a person can make a freewill offering, which just means he voluntarily makes the sacrifce without constraint, has noting to do with his spiritually dead volition in pleasing God, that he cannot do

Ignoring context

Romans 8:7–8 (LEB) — 7 because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.

Which shows it is by obedience to law one cannot please God

Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

 

[Kermos]

4-Galatians 5:4-7
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

I find your premature truncation of Galatians 5:8 interesting when you quoted Galatians 5:4-7. For the Apostle Paul wrote "This faith did not come from Him who calls you" (Galatians 5:8), so the Grace of God was not for those self-willed persons who had "fallen away from grace" (Galatians 5:4) because they did not have “the work of God” which is “that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

FALLEN AWAY VS FALLEN OUT

Paul wrote about "fallen away from grace" which is a different thing than "fallen out from grace", please see the keywords "away" versus "out".

To "fall away" from a thing indicates an ambiguous initial starting point for the one "falling away" unless an explicit starting point is indicated. For example:

The soldier was investigating an incident beyond the perimeter of the base fence when the enemy missile exploded at the base commissary with a blast so strong that the shock wave even caused the soldier to fall away from the base but with barely a scratch.
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To "fall out" from a thing indicates an absolute initial starting point for the one "falling out" of which the starting point is "in" the thing. For example:

In his haste to race for cover, the soldier did accidentally fall out of the helicopter that landed at the edge of town, but his low profile kept him from injury by the enemies firestorm.
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Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation adulterates the Holy Scripture as evidenced through your own writings recorded in your post to which God causes me to respond now:

The Book of civic		The Book of Galatians
You have been severed from Christ [u}because you snatched yourself out of Jesus Christ's hand[/u], you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen out from grace even though once upon a time you chose to believe in God's grace unto salvation. For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love. You were running well; your self-willed faith hindered you from obeying the truth (civic 5:4-7).		You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? This faith did not come from Him who calls you (Galatians 5:4-8)

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

Amazing is the point that Lord Jesus declares of we His sheep "I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand" (John 10:28).

"Fallen out from grace" is absent from Scripture, so there are no citations.

"Fallen away from grace" Scripturally has an absolute initial starting point for persons "falling away" that is applicable to all of Scripture because the Apostle John wrote "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us" (1 John 2:19), so the starting point for them "falling away" are people absent of the work of God which is faith/belief in Christ Jesus!

"Falling out from grace" is impossible for believers because the living God says "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 10:27-30), so we, who receive the Grace of God (John 6:29), are securely and lovingly in the Hand of the Holy Living God!

According to your preaching, man controls the Love of God, yet Apostolic testimony is "the Love of Christ controls us" Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) - a blessed Apostolic testimony in the Holy Spirit.

Your testimony is man earns the unearned Love of God because man chooses the Love of God.

This post is an integral continuation with:

1. post #5,018 - Evaluated Your Conclusion That God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
2. post #5,019 - Your Adulteration of Matthew 22:3 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
3. post #5,024 - Your Destruction of Jerusalem, Jerusalem in Matthew 23:37 As Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
4. post #5,026 - Hebrews 6:4-8 Exposes The Impossibility Of A Christian To Expose The Christ To Public Shame Despite Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.
5. post #5,031 - You Declare The Almighty God Is Miserably Weak Per Your Heart's Rendition Of Luke 19:41 For Your Self-willed "proof" that God's Grace Is Resistible and Earnable.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN KING JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[brightfame52]

Ignoring context

Romans 8:7–8 (LEB) — 7 because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.

Which shows it is by obedience to law one cannot please God

Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

Highlighting whats in the context. Man naturally cannot please God.

 

[TomL]

Highlighting whats in the context. Man naturally cannot please God.

By obedience to law



Romans 8:7–8 (LEB) — 7 because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.

Which shows it is by obedience to law one cannot please God

however one can by faith

Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

 

[brightfame52]

Mans will naturally isnt free, but fallen, sold under sin. Paul as a regenerate man testifies to that Rom 7:14-20

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

[brightfame52]

By obedience to law



Romans 8:7–8 (LEB) — 7 because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.

Which shows it is by obedience to law one cannot please God

however one can by faith

Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.

Faith pleases God,man in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.