Your own thoughts contradict your own writings!
There is an occurrence of you accusing me of conflating free-will choice and being born of God as purchased by Christ's atonement on the cross.
Again, here is another occurrence of you accusing me of conflating free-will choosing of Christ and life in Christ as purchased by Christ's atonement on the cross.
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But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction" (2 Peter 2:1), you prophesied:
You preach a failure Christ whose atonement on the cross purchases false prophets unto "
swift destruction" (2 Peter 2:1)! God has me here proclaiming to you that Christ did not atone for "
false prophets" (2 Peter 2:1)!
My recollection is accurate that
you accused me of conflating atonement with free-will, and you proceed to do the very thimg that you held against me; moreover, you are using your free-willian "
I chose Jesus" as the driving factor for the atonement which emphasizes the free-willian philosophy of man causing himself to be born of God, just as God caused me to explain to you in
post #799. A hypocrite says do as I say but not as I do, and Lord Jesus has a terrifying declaration about hypocrites "
woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites" (Matthew 23:13).
The Truth (John 14:6) is that faith/belief inside of us Christians is caused by Lord and God Jesus Christ, for the Christ of us Christians says “
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (
John 6:29).
And Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians “
by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (
Ephesians 2:8-10).
And Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for Peter declared “
God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (
Acts 15:8-9).
So, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is exclusively by/of/through God.
But you fail to believe Lord Jesus Christ because you illegally convert the Christ's God glorifying phrase "
the work of God" into your heart's free-willian glorifying phrase "
the work of man" as shown here:
| The traditions of men | | The Word of God |
| | |
This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent
(TomL 6:29) | | This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent
(Lord Jesus Christ, John 6:29) |
Now, let's look at that which you attempted to obfuscate instead of addressing about your belief that Judas Iscariot is a part of "
all men" in Titus 2:11 and the corresponding "
the whole world" in 1 John 2:2.
"
I was sent only to those being lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24), and God causes some who are Gentiles to be grafted into Israel (Romans 11:11-36). These are
the whole world in 1 John 2:2 - not Judas Iscariot as you believe because your belief results in a failure atonement for Christ as detailed below.
Judas Iscariot is included in "
the whole world" (1 John 2:2) according to your Free-willian Philosophy, yet, in Truth (John 14:6), Judas is not a part of "
the whole world" in John the Apostle's word, here, and John exclusively includes people who are Christians at departure from this Earth, here. Your word is wrong side while the Apostle's word is right side:
| Wrong Side | | Right Side |
| | |
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world including Judas Iscariot the son of destruction, so Christ's atoning sacrifice fails for Judas Iscariot.
(1 TomL 2:2) | | He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
(1 John 2:2) |
So "
the whole world" in 1 John 2:2 includes exclusively the people that God causes to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent (John 6:29) before those people die, so "
the whole world" in 1 John 2:2 has a different meaning than "
the whole world" in 1 John 5:19, but your heart destroys context for "
the whole world", and so go your adulterations of the precious Holy Scripture again and again and again.
TomL, you include yourself in "
the whole world" (1 John 5:19) according to your Free-willian Philosophy, yet, in Truth (John 14:6), no Christian is a part of "
the whole world" in John the Apostle's word, here. Your word is on the left side while the Apostolic testimony is on the right side:
| The traditions of men | | Apostolic Testimony |
| | |
We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world, including TomL, lies in the evil one.
(1 TomL 5:18-19) | | We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the evil one.
(1 John 5:18-19) |
So "
the whole world" in 1 John 5:19 includes exclusively the people that the evil one touches (1 John 5:19), yet Christ guards Christians keeping us untouched by the evil one (1 John 5:18), but your heart destroys context for "
the whole world", and so go your adulterations of the precious Holy Scripture again and again and again.
Jesus Christ excepts Judas Iscariot from inclusion in the New Covenant of Christ's Blood in Luke 22:21, so you remain in anti-truth by claiming Judas is included in Christ's atonement.
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE KEEPER OF MY HEART, LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!
your posts contradict scripture and the lexicons
These Greek Lexicons affirm world means all, everyone, the whole world without exception.
Thayers
Cosmos: the inhabitants of the
5. world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις,
1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly
the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )):
Matthew 13:38;
Matthew 18:7;
Mark 14:9;
John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ;
Romans 3:6, 19;
1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ;
2 Corinthians 5:19;
James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above
); 1 John 2:2 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 577 (536)); ἀρχαῖος κόσμος, of the antediluvians,
2 Peter 2:5; γέννασθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον,
John 16:21; ἔρχεσθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον (
John 9:39) and εἰς τόν κόσμον τοῦτον, to make its appearance or come into existence among men, spoken of the light which in Christ shone upon men,
John 1:9;
John 3:19, cf. 12:46; of the Messiah,
John 6:14;
John 11:27; of Jesus as the Messiah,
John 9:39;
John 16:28;
John 18:37;
1 Timothy 1:15; also ἐισέρχεσθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον,
Hebrews 10:5; of false teachers,
2 John 1:7(yet here L T Tr WH ἐξέρχεσθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον; (so all texts
in 1 John 4:1));
to invade, of evils coming into existence among men and beginning to exert their power: of sin and death,
Romans 5:12 (of death, Wis. 2:24; Clement of Rome, 1 Cor. 3, 4 [ET]; of idolatry, Wis. 14:14). ἀποστέλλειν τινα εἰς τόν κόσμον,
John 3:17;
John 10:36;
John 17:18; 1 John 4:9; φῶς τοῦ κόσμου,
Matthew 5:14;
John 8:12;
John 9:5; σωτήρ τοῦ κόσμου,
John 4:42;
1 John 4:14 (σωτηρία τοῦ κόσμου Wis. 6:26 (25); ἐλπίς τοῦ κόσμου, Wis. 14:6; πρωτόπλαστος πατήρ τοῦ κόσμου, of Adam, Wis. 10:1); στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου (see στοιχεῖον, 3 and 4); ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, among men,
John 16:33;
John 17:13;
Ephesians 2:12; ἐν κόσμῳ (see Winer's Grammar, 123 (117)),
1 Timothy 3:16; εἶναι ἐν τῷ κόσμου, to dwell among men,
John 1:10;
John 9:5;
John 17:11, 12 R G;
1 John 4:3; εἶναι ἐν κόσμῳ, to be present,
Romans 5:13; ἐξελθεῖν, ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου, to withdraw from human society and seek an abode outside of it,
1 Corinthians 5:10; ἀναστρέφεσθαι ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, to behave oneself,
2 Corinthians 1:12; likewise εἶναι ἐν τῷ κόσμου τούτῳ,
1 John 4:17.
6. "
the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ" (cf. Winer's Grammar, 26):
John 7:7;
John 14:27 (); ;
1 Corinthians 1:21;
1 Corinthians 6:2;
1 Corinthians 11:32;
2 Corinthians 7:10;
James 1:27;
1 Peter 5:9;
2 Peter 1:4;
2 Peter 2:20;
1 John 3:1, 13; 1 John 4:5; 1 John 5:19; of the aggregate of ungodly and wicked men in O. T. times,
Hebrews 11:38; in Noah's time, ibid. 7; with οὗτος added,
Ephesians 2:2 (on which see αἰών, 3); εἶναι ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου and ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου τούτου (see εἰμί, V. 3rd.),
John 8:23;
John 15:19;
John 17:14, 16;
1 John 4:5;λαλεῖν ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου, to speak in accordance with the world's character and mode of thinking
, 1 John 4:5; ὁ ἄρχων τοῦ κόσμου τούτου, i. e. the devil,
John 12:31;
John 14:30;
John 16:11; ὁ ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ he that is operative in the world (also of the devil
), 1 John 4:4; τό πνεῦμα τοῦ κόσμου
b
. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love
J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.
William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.
1 John 2:2-He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of
the whole world.
1 John 2:15-17-Do not love the world or anything in
the world. If anyone loves
the world, love for the Father is not in them.
16 For everything in
the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from
the world.
17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.
1 John 4:3-6- but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in
the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in
the world. 5 They are from
the worldand therefore speak from the viewpoint of
the world, and
the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
1 John 4:14- And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of
the world
1 John 5:19- We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Now its very clear from the Lexicon definition and in 1 John that the cosmos/world does not mean Gods elect (that is Calvinism) not what John means in his epistle. It clearly means everyone with no exceptions in this world, all of its inhabitants who make up the ungodly multitude. It is clearly all inclusive of everyone, all, the entire world that lies under the evil one in opposition to God from the context of 1 John.
Only someone with a closed mind trapped in their dogma/doctrine would argue otherwise resulting in eisegesis( reading their own ideas into the text) rather than exegesis ( letting the text dictate ones ideas ).
We see above that
the whole world lies under the evil one and its that same identical
whole world in
1 John 2:2 that Jesus made PROPITIATION for which is clear from the CONTEXT in 1 John.
So if the above truth from 1 John 2:2 which is clear as to the biblical meaning is all inclusive not exclusive ( Gods elect Jew/Gentiles) which comes from ones dogma/doctrine ( calvinism) and not Scripture and specifically in 1 John makes me a non calvinist then I'm here to official renounce my association with that group.
I'm all about the TRUTH never dogma, never the doctrines of men but to only uphold the Truth in Gods word from its context. And the context here is in clear opposition to the teaching of Calvinsm in 1 John. World NEVER means Jew/Gentiles, elect/chosen/sheep etc in the epistle but means all of the inhabitants of the world /cosmos who are ungodly , where the lust of the flesh, the pride of life and the lust of the eyes come from and the god of this world the evil one the spirit of antichrist , the spirit of falsehoods rules and reigns in all of those inhabitants in opposition to God.
conclusion:
Your false teaching on elect, chosen, predestined, determinism exposed. You don’t understand the atonement and its scope.
It is a lie that Jesus doesn’t love everyone, all the world for which He provided atonement for as scripture declares
Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect:
He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).
Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions,
prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made
for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants
all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as
a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.
As we see above the Apostle Paul says we are to pray for "
ALL " people everywhere even for the " kings in authority" and then uses the same word in the same context of "
ALL " people with Jesus giving His life as a ransom for all. All does not mean Jew/Gentiles as some falsely teach. It means all men, all mankind, everyone
ALL PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
You cannot have ALL mean two different things in the context of the passage. That is once again being dishonest with the text and reading ones doctrine into the passage which is eisegesis
As seen in my posts I have plenty to say from scripture that opposes Calvinism. You are projecting since it’s your heart that makes false accusations against Christ.
Its for everyone, all people, all men, all mankind etc..... for all the world as Jesus taught in John 3:16-18 and John in 1 John 2:2- For all the world and for everyone.
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of
God, who takes away
the sin of the world!
Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of
God he might taste death for
everyone.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of
God has appeared, bringing salvation
to all men,
Titus 3:4
But when the kindness and
the love of mankind of
God our Savior appeared
John 3:16
For
God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have
all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The
Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that
all should come to repentance.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins
of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:14
For
Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that
one died for all, and therefore all died.
In summary The gospel is for
all mankind,
all the world, for everyone. God desires
all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (
1 Timothy 2:4). God is the Savior of
all men, especially of believers (
1 Timothy. 4:10), For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to
everyone (
Titus 2:11) For God has consigned
all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on
all (Romans 11:32). The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting
anyone to perish but
everyone to come to repentance (
2 Peter 3:9). God sent His Son into the world to take away the sin of the world (
John 1:29) and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also
for sins of the whole world. (
1 John 2:2). and He died for
all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again (
2 Corinthians 5:15). But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for
everyone. (
Hebrews 2:9)
The atonement was made for everyone not just the unconditional elect. The condition for receiving the blessing of Christs atonement for a persons sins against God is faith. One must believe the gospel to receive the benefits of Christs atonement for their sins. Jesus clearly taught this in John 3 below.
John 3:14-Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
you teach a false gospel as shown above with all the scriptures which expose your false atonement theory.
love under your determinist/fatalist theology is double speak and contradicts scripture. since we know God is love and Jesus is God He tells us and shows us what His universal love looks like and acts like as God Incarnate. He loves those who hated Him without a cause, He died for them, He prayed for them, He said we are to love our enemies because He loved and died for His enemies. Love not hate is the hallmark of a Christian. It’s the opposite in calvins theology- he persecuted and killed his enemies. Calvin demonstrated hate not love. And man will act out their idea's about God in their life. Think of the militant Islamists. Their god is a vengeful and hateful god of all those who are not muslims. Ones view of God comes out in how they live and treat others who are different from them. Gods love is universal towards all mankind.
Yes it is a lie to say that Jesus doesn’t love everyone, all the world for which He provided atonement for as scripture declares. And we know where all liars/deceivers end up from many places in the N.T.
Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ ONLY died for the elect
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hope this helps !!!
