An Article on free will

@TomL

The work that God requires as even your fellow Calvinists below affirm

John Calvin: “People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us.” (The Crossway Classic Commentaries: John; Crossway Books; Wheaton, IL; 1994, p.393)
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Believing is a command, so it applies to the regenerated elect, the Sheep. Its not a command to the unregenerate reprobate, and they are in the flesh and cannot please God nor obey Gods command.
 
GodsGrace said:
And YOU P,,,,need to learn what your denomination teaches.
You're VERY GOOD at ad hominems.
VERY BAD at knowing about the belief system you claim to belong to.

Read that confession over and over....and also read the green comments of mine.
MAYBE some day you'll come to understand what I posted.

Most probably not.
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I thought you were done? What happened? LOL
 
@MTMattie @Jim @civic @GodsGrace @synergy @brightfame52 @Kermos
Jim said:
How many of those godly fruits does it take to produce the evidence that one is born of God? More than one? More that two? Just exactly, how many?
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Jim let me answer you with one single word, are you listening, Jim? CHARITY!

Romans 13:10​

“Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”

Love never injures our neighbor in any respect, but, on the contrary, as far as in its power, does him service. All disputes, then, among neighbors and among nations proceed from a want of love. What, then, shall we say of the morality of men in general, who live in strife and contention, as often as their interests in the smallest degree interfere? What is the origin of all the disputes in the world, on forums, in our marriages, etc., but a want of love?

Therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. As love will prevent everything which the law forbids, love must consequently be what fulfills the law AND the greatest evidence of being born again when practiced according to the scriptures. Love, for instance, will prevent murder, and even the smallest degree of hatred to another. Love, then, will keep the sixth commandment; and so of each of the commandments of the second table of the law. No greater evidence of eternal life than faith and LOVE, love being the greatest and purest form of evidence of a true child of God.
 
@Jim

I am not sure what you are asking. Sin is simply disobeying God. Disobedience is a choice. It is what Adam chose to do and it is what you choose to do.
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And it was Gods predestinating decree and purpose for Adam to make that sinful choice, from Gods decree standpoint, Adam had no other choice but to make that sinful choice of disobedience.
 
TomL said:
Duh the founder of your religion was man centered then

The work that God requires as even your fellow Calvinists below affirm

John Calvin: “People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us.” (The Crossway Classic Commentaries: John; Crossway Books; Wheaton, IL; 1994, p.393)

And another

This is the work of God. This is the thing that will be acceptable to God, or which you are to do in order to be saved. Jesus did not tell them they had nothing to do, or that they were to sit down and wait, but that there was a work to perform, and that was a duty that was imperative. It was to believe on the Messiah. This is the work which sinners are to do; and doing this they will be saved, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth, Ro. 10:4.11 Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 244.



As well as others who are not Calvinists

Believe. Faith is put as a moral act or work. The work of God is to believe. Faith includes all the works which God requires. The Jews’ question contemplates numerous works. Jesus’ answer directs them to one work. Canon Westcott justly observes that “this simple formula contains the complete solution of the relation of faith and works.”11 Marvin Richardson Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament (vol. 2; New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1887), 148–149.



The meaning is not,—that faith is wrought in us by God, is the work of God; but that the truest way of working the work of God is to believe on Him whom He hath sent.11 Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 761.

Unlike you their exegesis is based on the context.
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My Leader Jesus Christ means exactly what he says when he says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29)!

You may quote your Leader John Calvin's words "People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us" with your exaggeratedly large font carrying your leader's message to emphasize your free-willian philosophy support structure as intentionally frequent as you already have committed yourself to quoting him, but you remain quoting falsehood. Your John Calvin is a stranger to me (John 10:5).

Your foundation is the shifting sand of "the truest way of working the work of God is that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (TomL 6:29).

You are proven wrong about your "faith is a work of man" doctrine because Lord Jesus Christ conveys "by grace you are saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) and "faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8).

As a blessed Christian in the solid foundation in Christ, I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, and I follow the Way (John 14:6), who is the Truth (John 14:6), and God has me here proclaiming Christian doctrine. Lord Jesus Christ is Life (John 14:6)!
 
Presby02 said:
Thanks. I will. And you continue in your ignorance.
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You're a nice, good Christian P.
The type that Jesus wants to see.
The type that can invite others to the Christian faith through their kindness and good will.

John 13:35
"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another"
 
brightfame52 said:
@Jim



And it was Gods predestinating decree and purpose for Adam to make that sinful choice, from Gods decree standpoint, Adam had no other choice but to make that sinful choice of disobedience.
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Where does the story of Adam and Eve state that God decreed for them to fail?

Do you not agree with God?
HE said that what He had made was very good....this after creating Adam and Eve.

Genesis 1:31
31And God saw all that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD.

IF God had decreed for Adam to fail....
sounds like He didn't know about it.

A COMPLETE CONTRADICTION...and CONFLICT,
which Calvinism causes....
AS USUAL.
 
Red Baker said:
@MTMattie @Jim @civic @GodsGrace @synergy @brightfame52 @Kermos

Jim let me answer you with one single word, are you listening, Jim? CHARITY!

Romans 13:10​

“Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”

Love never injures our neighbor in any respect, but, on the contrary, as far as in its power, does him service. All disputes, then, among neighbors and among nations proceed from a want of love. What, then, shall we say of the morality of men in general, who live in strife and contention, as often as their interests in the smallest degree interfere? What is the origin of all the disputes in the world, on forums, in our marriages, etc., but a want of love?

Therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. As love will prevent everything which the law forbids, love must consequently be what fulfills the law AND the greatest evidence of being born again when practiced according to the scriptures. Love, for instance, will prevent murder, and even the smallest degree of hatred to another. Love, then, will keep the sixth commandment; and so of each of the commandments of the second table of the law. No greater evidence of eternal life than faith and LOVE, love being the greatest and purest form of evidence of a true child of God.
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Agreed.
 
brightfame52 said:
@TomL



Believing is a command, so it applies to the regenerated elect, the Sheep. Its not a command to the unregenerate reprobate, and they are in the flesh and cannot please God nor obey Gods command.
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WHY would God tell a regenerate to believe??

He ALREADY believes.

WHY would God command something that already exists?
In this case, BELIEF.
 
GodsGrace said:
Where does the story of Adam and Eve state that God decreed for them to fail?

Do you not agree with God?
HE said that what He had made was very good....this after creating Adam and Eve.

Genesis 1:31
31And God saw all that He had made, and, behold, it was VERY GOOD.

IF God had decreed for Adam to fail....
sounds like He didn't know about it.

A COMPLETE CONTRADICTION...and CONFLICT,
which Calvinism causes....
AS USUAL.
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Which is what those who say there is no free will will claim.
 
Red Baker said:
@MTMattie @Jim @civic @GodsGrace @synergy @brightfame52 @Kermos

Jim let me answer you with one single word, are you listening, Jim? CHARITY!

Romans 13:10​

“Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”

Love never injures our neighbor in any respect, but, on the contrary, as far as in its power, does him service. All disputes, then, among neighbors and among nations proceed from a want of love. What, then, shall we say of the morality of men in general, who live in strife and contention, as often as their interests in the smallest degree interfere? What is the origin of all the disputes in the world, on forums, in our marriages, etc., but a want of love?

Therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. As love will prevent everything which the law forbids, love must consequently be what fulfills the law AND the greatest evidence of being born again when practiced according to the scriptures. Love, for instance, will prevent murder, and even the smallest degree of hatred to another. Love, then, will keep the sixth commandment; and so of each of the commandments of the second table of the law. No greater evidence of eternal life than faith and LOVE, love being the greatest and purest form of evidence of a true child of God.
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Sorry, I don't understand the point you are trying to make. We are not saved by works, we don't stay saved by works, Works are not a witness of salvation.
 
When it comes to creation and the things of God the bible is all I believe. Anything else are peoples opinions. Through His words we come to know not only the nature and attributes of God, but we also come to understand His plan for each of us. With reading the bible and believe what it tells us we can know God better.
 

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