An Article on free will

@Kermos

TomL, you idolize yourself because you believe that saving faith/belief is a work of your flesh instead of the Holy Spirit of God.
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Thats a trait of the arminian !

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!
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Jesus is begetter of Faith, its for His Seed Heb 12:2

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God
 
brightfame52 said:
@MTMattie



My point is God saves people that by nature they dont seek God or cannot please God. And your point is bogus,the person in the flesh has no freewill to please God, he cant do it God says Rom8: 8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Do you know who that is ? " they that are in the flesh "
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Do you understand that it is they in the flesh who is talked of in John 20:40

“HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

If they were unable to by their own free will ... choose.... why did God need to put up a roadblock so they would not?

Can you understand this verse?
 
brightfame52 said:
Some times truth in scripture may not state something word for word, but its implied and or consonant or consistent with clear scripture in other places. Calvinism,Tulip is the Gospel
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Some times, make that the majority of the time people don't fall for the man made theology of Calvinism.

They believe the truth. The real gospel.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16
 
MTMattie said:
Do you understand that it is they in the flesh who is talked of in John 20:40

“HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

If they were unable to by their own free will ... choose.... why did God need to put up a roadblock so they would not?

Can you understand this verse?
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God says Rom8: 8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Do you know who that is ? " they that are in the flesh " They that are in the flesh are the unregenerate, never born of the Spirit, they are without the Spirit. So they cannot please God
 
Fellow Traveler said:
Some times, make that the majority of the time people don't fall for the man made theology of Calvinism.

They believe the truth. The real gospel.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16
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Some times truth in scripture may not state something word for word, but its implied and or consonant or consistent with clear scripture in other places. Calvinism,Tulip is the Gospel BTW if you reject Tulip Teachings, you reject the real Gospel ! You can quote Jn 3:16 all you want !
 
brightfame52 said:
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. So they cant have the Faith of Heb 11:6 duh
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Duh back at you as you take the verse out of its context

Man can please God with faith

Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.
 
brightfame52 said:
God says Rom8: 8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Do you know who that is ? " they that are in the flesh " They that are in the flesh are the unregenerate, never born of the Spirit, they are without the Spirit. So they cannot please God
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You never address the issue

If they are not capable of believing why are they hardened so they will not believe

“HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”
 
brightfame52 said:
Some times truth in scripture may not be something word for word, but its implied and or consonant or consistent with clear scripture in other places
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And with you most times it is your imagination

Believing is believing, there is no such thing as believing non spiritually vs believing spiritually

You invent things because you cannot deal with scripture as it reads
 
Kermos said:
@brightfame52, do you recall the fruit of the Holy Spirit of God of which one of the fruit of the Spirit is belief (Galatians 5:22-23)? Faith/belief is not among the works of the flesh recorded in Galatians 5:19-21.
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Saving faith is not a fruit of the Spirit

Faith for believing God for miracles however is

Faith for living the Christian life as well


Kermos said:
TomL, the words Spirit and belief do appear in the Bible in relationship, and here is the relevant quote "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, belief" (Galatians 5:22).
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Again nowhere do we read the Spirit gives saving faith

Only those who believe and are indwelt by the Spirit have the fruit of the Spirit
 
TomL said:
Duh back at you as you take the verse out of its context

Man can please God with faith

Hebrews 11:6 (LEB) — 6 Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and is a rewarder of those who seek him.
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So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. So they cant have the Faith of Heb 11:6 duh
 
TomL said:
And with you most times it is your imagination

Believing is believing, there is no such thing as believing non spiritually vs believing spiritually

You invent things because you cannot deal with scripture as it reads
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Some times truth in scripture may not be something word for word, but its implied and or consonant or consistent with clear scripture in other places
 
brightfame52 said:
God says Rom8: 8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Do you know who that is ? " they that are in the flesh " They that are in the flesh are the unregenerate, never born of the Spirit, they are without the Spirit. So they cannot please God
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Stop talking in circles. I asked this first then @TomL brought it up.

You deliberately ignore and repeat the same old same old because YOU do not have an answer.

Explain this in a coherent way ..... please

Then why was/is this necessary?

HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM

If they that are in the flesh, displeasing God.... why in the world would God need to blind their eyes and harden their hearts.
You say that it is because "They that are in the flesh are the unregenerate, never born of the Spirit, they are without the Spirit."
Apparently God sees them as having an ability to
 
brightfame52 said:
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. So they cant have the Faith of Heb 11:6 duh
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SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.

The I is God. Have you told Him it is impossible for Him? Have you asked Him why He needed to blind them?
 
MTMattie said:
Stop talking in circles. I asked this first then @TomL brought it up.

You deliberately ignore and repeat the same old same old because YOU do not have an answer.

Explain this in a coherent way ..... please

Then why was/is this necessary?

HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM

If they that are in the flesh, displeasing God.... why in the world would God need to blind their eyes and harden their hearts.
You say that it is because "They that are in the flesh are the unregenerate, never born of the Spirit, they are without the Spirit."
Apparently God sees them as having an ability to
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God says Rom8: 8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Do you know who that is ? " they that are in the flesh " They that are in the flesh are the unregenerate, never born of the Spirit, they are without the Spirit. So they cannot please God
 
brightfame52 said:
God says Rom8: 8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Do you know who that is ? " they that are in the flesh " They that are in the flesh are the unregenerate, never born of the Spirit, they are without the Spirit. So they cannot please God
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Is it you? You cannot understand what you read.

AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM

You cannot understand this so should I assume you have been blinded to the truth?
 
brightfame52 said:
Some times truth in scripture may not be something word for word, but its implied and or consonant or consistent with clear scripture in other places
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Again thanks... I have been saying that for years and years..... Ill be sure to give you credit.

Now answer what I have been asking that is word for word and you are ignoring
 

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