Do not equivocate. Your position is not that with aide man can believe. Your position is God must effectively irresistibly cause him to believe because he cannot
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Non-Calvinist Understanding of John 6:44:
The verse does not teach predestination, but rather emphasizes the importance of faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. This interpretation is supported by the broader context of John 6, which focuses on the Bread of Life and the need for faith in Jesus.
John Chrysostom's Interpretation:
Chrysostom understood the drawing of John 6:44 as a figurative, relational concept, emphasizing the wooing of God's Spirit rather than a coercive or violent action. This interpretation aligns with the early Church Fathers' affirmation of human free will.
Raymond Brown's Interpretation:
Brown, a Roman Catholic scholar, interprets the drawing of John 6:44 as an attraction or desire, rather than compulsion. This understanding highlights the importance of human response to God's call, emphasizing the role of faith and the Holy Spirit in the salvation process.
Steven Hitchcock's Interpretation:
Hitchcock, a non-Calvinist scholar, suggests that the "given" in John 6:44 refers specifically to believers during Jesus' ministry, rather than the universal church. This interpretation emphasizes the historical context and the significance of Jesus' followers in validating His claim to being the Messiah.
Orthodox Bridge's Interpretation:
The Orthodox Bridge article critiques the Calvinist interpretation of John 6:44, highlighting issues such as proof-texting, eisegesis, and potential universalism. The article emphasizes the importance of understanding the Greek language and the context of John 6, as well as the historical theology of the early Church Fathers.
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*Jn 6:65 He said, “For this cause I have said to you that
no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
Jn 5:44 How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don’t seek the glory that comes from the only God?
Jn 8:43 Why don’t you understand my speech? Because you can’t hear my word.
Jn 12:37-40 [37] But though he had done so many signs before them, yet they didn’t believe in him, [38] that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord, who has believed our report? To whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” [39] For this cause they couldn’t believe, for Isaiah said again: [40] “He has blinded their eyes and he hardened their heart, lest they should see with their eyes, and perceive with their heart, and would turn, and I would heal them.”
Is 44:18-20 [18] They don’t know, neither do they consider, for he has shut their eyes, that they can’t see, and their hearts, that they can’t understand. [19] No one thinks, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, “I have burned part of it in the fire. Yes, I have also baked bread on its coals. I have roasted meat and eaten it. Shall I make the rest of it into an abomination? Shall I bow down to a tree trunk?” [20] He feeds on ashes. A deceived heart has turned him aside; and he can’t deliver his soul, nor say, “Isn’t there a lie in my right hand?”
Je 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may you also do good, who are accustomed to do evil.
Mt 12:34 You offspring of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
Ro 8:7-8 [7] because the mind of the flesh is hostile toward God, for it is not subject to God’s law, neither indeed can it be. [8] Those who are in the flesh can’t please God.
except
*Jn 6:65 He said,
“For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”
*Mt 11:25-27 [25] At that time, Jesus answered, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you hid these things from the wise and understanding, and revealed them to infants. [26] Yes, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in your sight. [27] All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows the Son, except the Father; neither does anyone know the Father, except the Son and he to whom the
Son desires to reveal him.
*Eph 2:4-10 [4] But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, [5] even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— [6] and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, [7] that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus; [8] for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, [9] not of works, that no one would boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.
Jn 6:45 It is written in the prophets, ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who hears from the Father and has learned, comes to me.
Jn 3:3-7 [3] Jesus answered him, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born anew, he can’t see God’s Kingdom.” [4] Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” [5] Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit, he can’t enter into God’s Kingdom. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7] Don’t marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born anew.’
Mt 16:17 Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
Php 1:29 Because it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf,
Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Tt 3:3-5 [3] For we were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. [4] But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love toward mankind appeared, [5] not by works of righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
draw
*Jn 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”
So 1:4 Take me away with you. Let’s hurry. The king has brought me into his rooms. Friends We will be glad and rejoice in you. We will praise your love more than wine! Beloved They are right to love you.
Je 31:3 Yahweh appeared of old to me, saying, “Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love. Therefore I have drawn you with loving kindness.
Ho 11:4 I drew them with cords of a man, with ties of love; and I was to them like those who lift up the yoke on their necks; and I bent down to him and I fed him.
and I
Jn 6:39-40 [39] This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day. [40] This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Reciprocal
Ge 19:16 But he lingered; and the men grabbed his hand, his wife’s hand, and his two daughters’ hands, Yahweh being merciful to him; and they took him out, and set him outside of the city.
Ex 16:35 The children of Israel ate the manna forty years, until they came to an inhabited land. They ate the manna until they came to the borders of the land of Canaan.
Nu 11:8 The people went around, gathered it, and ground it in mills, or beat it in mortars, and boiled it in pots, and made cakes of it. Its taste was like the taste of fresh oil.
Ps 25:8 Good and upright is Yahweh, therefore he will instruct sinners in the way.
Ps 78:24 He rained down manna on them to eat, and gave them food from the sky.
Is 55:3 Turn your ear, and come to me. Hear, and your soul will live. I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
Je 31:19 Surely after that I was turned. I repented. After that I was instructed. I struck my thigh. I was ashamed, yes, even confounded, because I bore the reproach of my youth.’
Ho 2:14 “Therefore behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak tenderly to her.
Mal 3:2 “But who can endure the day of his coming? And who will stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire, and like launderers’ soap;
Mt 6:11 Give us today our daily bread.
Lk 6:47 Everyone who comes to me, and hears my words and does them, I will show you who he is like.
Lk 10:22 Turning to the disciples, he said, “All things have been delivered to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is, except the Father, and who the Father is, except the Son, and he to whomever the Son desires to reveal him.”
Lk 14:15 When one of those who sat at the table with him heard these things, he said to him, “Blessed is he who will feast in God’s Kingdom!”
Jn 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will not be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
Jn 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. He who comes to me I will in no way throw out.
Jn 7:16 Jesus therefore answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.
Jn 10:26 But you don’t believe, because you are not of my sheep, as I told you.
Jn 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will still live, even if he dies.
Ac 16:14 A certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, one who worshiped God, heard us. The Lord opened her heart to listen to the things which were spoken by Paul.
1Co 2:14 Now the natural man doesn’t receive the things of God’s Spirit, for they are foolishness to him; and he can’t know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food;
1Th 4:9 But concerning brotherly love, you have no need that one write to you. For you yourselves are taught by God to love one another,
2Ti 1:12 For this cause I also suffer these things. Yet I am not ashamed, for I know him whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that he is able to guard that which I have committed to him against that day.
I am not argumentative.
However-how would you exegete this verse
@TomL?
