civic
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That’s not what I said nor what I meant. You reading into it things that are not there much like you do with scripture. You are twisting my words like you do with scripture.
I’m glad you are finally acknowledging it.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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I’m glad you are finally acknowledging it.
amazing grace
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WHERE? Must not have read 1 Corinthians 15 then - it's all about resurrection!
civic
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is Jesus only a spirit now ?
amazing grace
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Scripture says he is a life-giving spirit.
Jesus is referred to as a “spirit,” but has a flesh and bone body. (Luke 24:38-40)
civic
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just checking as some unitarians such as JW's deny Jesus rose and ascended bodily.
amazing grace
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If I was JW I might have agreed with their position but I am not a JW ---- nor do I believe Jesus Christ was Michael, the archangel.
civic
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thanks for clarifying, are you a Christadelphian by chance ? They have a much more biblical view of the Resurrection of Christ
Neil Spargo
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There are many passages in the New Testament that show deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit, more than I could cite in this post. But here are some found in John’s gospel where Jesus makes a number of “I am” statements:
“I am the bread of life” John6:48
“I am the door” John10:7
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life” John14:6
And others. In each of these statements, the wording in the Greek New Testament for “I am” is ego eimi. These Greek words also happen to be the words with which the essential name of God, Yahweh, is translated from the Hebrew. Jesus, then, by using this construction for Himself, is equating Himself with God.
“I am the bread of life” John6:48
“I am the door” John10:7
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life” John14:6
And others. In each of these statements, the wording in the Greek New Testament for “I am” is ego eimi. These Greek words also happen to be the words with which the essential name of God, Yahweh, is translated from the Hebrew. Jesus, then, by using this construction for Himself, is equating Himself with God.
amazing grace
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civic
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I understand as I'm a biblical Trinitarian like the prophets, apostles and Jesus.
amazing grace
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The wording 'ego eimi' is the same for everyone who ever said 'I am' . . . . is everyone who uses this construction for themselves, ego eimi, equating themselves with God? Your reasoning doesn't work.
civic
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the context proves when Jesus uses it that it means claims of Deity for which on several occasions they tried killing Him for making Himself equal with God.
Runningman
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"Biblical Trinitarian" is an oxymoron.I understand as I'm a biblical Trinitarian like the prophets, apostles and Jesus.
civic
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projecting- biblical unitarian is the oxymoron.
Runningman
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Yes that's what I am as well. Peter is the same.
Neil Spargo
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There is another “I am” statement in John 8. Abraham was the great patriarch of Israel, the father of the faithful, who was deeply venerated by the Jewish community of Jesus’ day. Jesus told the Jewish leaders that Abraham had rejoiced to see His day.
When the leaders asked how Jesus could possibly have seen Abraham, He replied, “Before Abraham was, I am”.
He did not say, “Before Abraham was, I was.” Rather, He said, “I am.” In doing so, He made a claim to eternality and deity. What many people miss today
, the people that Jesus was talking to caught on rather quickly. They were filled with fury against Jesus because He, a mere man in their eyes, made Himself equal with God.
When the leaders asked how Jesus could possibly have seen Abraham, He replied, “Before Abraham was, I am”.
He did not say, “Before Abraham was, I was.” Rather, He said, “I am.” In doing so, He made a claim to eternality and deity. What many people miss today
, the people that Jesus was talking to caught on rather quickly. They were filled with fury against Jesus because He, a mere man in their eyes, made Himself equal with God.
Neil Spargo
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But it's not everyone using it, it's Jesus "God With us" using it. He is the Great I am. Your reasoning could be along these lines. "I am" not the sharpest spoon in the drawer.
amazing grace
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. . . for which on several occasions the Pharisees, the religious leaders ACCUSED him of making himself equal with God . . . Jesus never claimed to be God.
civic
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sure He did and they were well aware of what His claims were which is why they killed Him- for Blasphemy- claiming to be God
amazing grace
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ditto . . .
God with us, aka God was IN Christ. Apparently more than Jesus was using ego eimi . . . It is used 98 times just in the Gospel of John!!! The definition of ego eimi is not 'the Great I am'. It is a means of self identification. If someone ask me - Are you amazing grace on the forum? I would say I am. . . . simple as that.
Was he saying he was literally before Abraham or was he before Abraham in prophecy, i.e. in the foreknowledge of God? Is Jesus explicitly saying that he is God or is that the conclusion being inferred?
