All Claims of The Son's Deity

[mikesw]

You seem to think others are here to entertain you and your beliefs, sorry, but that's not the case. Maybe some others will tickle your ears, but I am going to give you what the Bible says about straight. No compromises.

You hardly tickle my ears. Rather, your ill-conception of God is rather dark and irritating.

 

[Runningman]

There you go. You just cannot stop using words that are not in the Bible when you try to describe God. THe ideas of monotheism and polytheism were more of a discussion in the 1600s and beyond. However, God is not forced into your definition of monotheism as if you define his essence by your words. I guess that is another thing that makes unitarianism so wrong.

The word monotheism isn't in the Bible, but that's how the Bible describes God. Descriptions of God that match definitions is a valid way to represent God. For example, God is referred to as a single person using words like He/Him/His/I with perfect consistency from cover to cover. Therefore, one would rightly conclude that God is a single person known as the Father, just as the Bible explicitly states in John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6. Thus God matches what strict monotheism is. Conversely, God is never described using the trinitarian model. Trinitarianism doesn't match the definition of strict monotheism.

 

[Runningman]

You hardly tickle my ears. Rather, your ill-conception of God is rather dark and irritating.

Paul prophesied of the trinitarian organization here:

2 Timothy 4
3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

[mikesw]

The word monotheism isn't in the Bible, but that's how the Bible describes God. Descriptions of God that match definitions is a valid way to represent God. For example, God is referred to as a single person using words like He/Him/His/I with perfect consistency from cover to cover. Therefore, one would rightly conclude that God is a single person known as the Father, just as the Bible explicitly states in John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6. Thus God matches what strict monotheism is. Conversely, God is never described using the trinitarian model. Trinitarianism doesn't match the definition of strict monotheism.

Your interpretations are so questionable. The Shema says God is One. It does not say he is one "person" as defined by Runningman. That oneness does not reject the idea of unity within the Godhead. But unitarians love to deny anything and everything about God.

And why would people even be inclined to view God as triune of their own idea when that otherwise would seem to conflict with scripture. The truth is that scripture reveals the divinity of Christ and that had to be assessed within the broad context of scripture. Jesus was stealing divinity away from the Father but shared in that divinity.

 

[mikesw]

Paul prophesied of the trinitarian organization here:

2 Timothy 4
3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

That is such a stupid application of Paul's words that it does not need a response.

 

[civic]

It is the unitarian's self-exaltation while trying to force the scriptures to comply with their concepts. If Jesus had meant to include other people in being one with the Father, that passage would have been saying "that you be one with me and the Father."
The unitarians always diminish Christ and exalt themselves. I think the problem could be related to them on the autism scale which, like Sheldon, can miss metaphor, humor, and other common word concepts that other people recognize.

Ditto

 

[Runningman]

Your interpretations are so questionable. The Shema says God is One. It does not say he is one "person" as defined by Runningman. That oneness does not reject the idea of unity within the Godhead. But unitarians love to deny anything and everything about God.

And why would people even be inclined to view God as triune of their own idea when that otherwise would seem to conflict with scripture. The truth is that scripture reveals the divinity of Christ and that had to be assessed within the broad context of scripture. Jesus was stealing divinity away from the Father but shared in that divinity.

Trinitarians define the Father as one person as well. The Father in your trinity is stated to be the one and only true God in the Bible. Thus God is one person. That's what Unitarians believe which you don't believe because you reject the testimony of Scripture.

 

[Runningman]

That is such a stupid application of Paul's words that it does not need a response.

You're free to learn in silence if you don't have anything to say.

 

[Runningman]

It is the unitarian's self-exaltation while trying to force the scriptures to comply with their concepts. If Jesus had meant to include other people in being one with the Father, that passage would have been saying "that you be one with me and the Father."
The unitarians always diminish Christ and exalt themselves. I think the problem could be related to them on the autism scale which, like Sheldon, can miss metaphor, humor, and other common word concepts that other people recognize.

This is a lot of words to be so ignorant. Jesus did include other people in being one with the Father:

Jesus taught his disciples are one with the Father just as he is.

John 17
21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.

Don't run away and pretend like Jesus didn't say what he said. Please explain why you disagree with Jesus.

 

[mikesw]

Trinitarians define the Father as one person as well. The Father in your trinity is stated to be the one and only true God in the Bible. Thus God is one person. That's what Unitarians believe which you don't believe because you reject the testimony of Scripture.

you keep being confused in your terminology. I guess that is why you are a unitarian. You make God out to be like a man while you make Jesus out to be nothing but a mere man.

 

[mikesw]

This is a lot of words to be so ignorant. Jesus did include other people in being one with the Father:

Jesus taught his disciples are one with the Father just as he is.

John 17
21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.

Don't run away and pretend like Jesus didn't say what he said. Please explain why you disagree with Jesus.

You miss that Jesus is shown to be in the disciples. That is not something a mere man does. Your confusion is obvious. That is one reason why people do not take your arguments seriously.

 

[mikesw]

You're free to learn in silence if you don't have anything to say.

I would rather learn scripture than your distortions. Too bad I have to encounter yours within this thread.

 

[Runningman]

You miss that Jesus is shown to be in the disciples. That is not something a mere man does. Your confusion is obvious. That is one reason why people do not take your arguments seriously.

So why is Jesus wrong about his disciples sharing the same oneness with God as he does? Being one with God is a real Biblical doctrine and it is explicitly repeated several times. It has no relation to deity.

Let me guess, these are wrong too?

1 Corinthians 6
17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in spirit.

1 John 4
13By this we know that we remain in Him, and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit.

 

[civic]

Your interpretations are so questionable. The Shema says God is One. It does not say he is one "person" as defined by Runningman. That oneness does not reject the idea of unity within the Godhead. But unitarians love to deny anything and everything about God.

And why would people even be inclined to view God as triune of their own idea when that otherwise would seem to conflict with scripture. The truth is that scripture reveals the divinity of Christ and that had to be assessed within the broad context of scripture. Jesus was stealing divinity away from the Father but shared in that divinity.

Yes they do not understand the difference between person and nature/ being. They conflate them.

 

[mikesw]

So why is Jesus wrong about his disciples sharing the same oneness with God as he does? Being one with God is a real Biblical doctrine and it is explicitly repeated several times. It has no relation to deity.

Let me guess, these are wrong too?

1 Corinthians 6
17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in spirit.

1 John 4
13By this we know that we remain in Him, and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit.

These are indeed through Christ. It cannot be that he is mere man since he is Spirit.

 

[Runningman]

These are indeed through Christ. It cannot be that he is mere man since he is Spirit.

So you now confess others are one with God after I showed you more verses. You have proven you have no business telling people what the Bible says. You haven't even read the whole thing, apparently. Learn more, talk less.

 

[mikesw]

So you now confess others are one with God after I showed you more verses. You have proven you have no business telling people what the Bible says. You haven't even read the whole thing, apparently. Learn more, talk less.

That shows you cannot even understand anything about the statements of being one.

 

[Runningman]

That shows you cannot even understand anything about the statements of being one.

Hilarious. It's like playing a game of whack-a-mole talking to you. Just when it's demonstrated that your argument about Jesus being one with God applies to others as well, thus concluding the oneness with God is not a metric for deity, the vocabulary, definitions, philosophy, and everything else changes. And it's all made up on the fly as you go.

 

[mikesw]

Hilarious. It's like playing a game of whack-a-mole talking to you. Just when it's demonstrated that your argument about Jesus being one with God applies to others as well, thus concluding the oneness with God is not a metric for deity, the vocabulary, definitions, philosophy, and everything else changes. And it's all made up on the fly as you go.

Do we just have to say you are unqualified to properly interpret scripture?

 

[360watt]

Exactly, no mention of a trinity in view yet again.

Well..not with that scripture..obviously..it's got nothing to do with the diety of the Holy Spirit and Jesus.

But scripture likes this does :

Titus 2:13 KJV
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;