All Claims of The Son's Deity

Victoria said:
I'm not entirely sure you understood what I posted regarding religion. Again, I'm not religious 'nor am I affiliated w/ any denomination, Roman Catholicism included. I'm not an evangelical either, just a Christian sharing her faith w/ others.

I have a personal relationship w/ God. It could only be made possible by reading His Word & His Word alone. This is how He talks to us. When you have a relationship w/ someone, you get to know them. We don't make speculations, create a fantasy of them in our mind, don't claim to know them through a third party "aka" a religion... no, we get to know them directly, & personally.

He hasn't given me a spirit of fear. Instead, it's a spirit of love, & of a sound mind. That doesn't sound so bad, does it? He also is not the author of confusion. I'm not confused as long as I steer clear from religion/traditions of men. That doesn't sound so bad either, does it? The fruit of the Spirit are all positive, not negative.

Like w/ any other you choose to have a relationship w/, you get to know them directly, & personally. Satan is the complete opposite, which by my observation appears to have you fearful as well as confused. God certainly isn't feminine in any way, shape, or form. Jesus Christ was 100% masculine. Jesus Christ is love. As a father would a child, God disciplines. If anything, that's conviction you feel... just as a child in the wrong would feel. God is not a monster. He's a loving Father.
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I don't belong to any sect ?
this has been something I have said for years...

it really is best for me not to.

something that may interest you, however, click on the title as the excerpt doesn't contain the entire reply.

e v e

Post in thread 'I Never Knew You'

that line refers to all the serpent and esau souls who did not come from IEUE
and are not eden souls, being the ones in enmity with the daughter of tsuin
... always, in the time of the hebrew souls/israelites and now, there have been
these religious pharisees who are not of Him... which explains how
40%+ of his prophets and apostles were murdered...
and note God did not choose the 'leaders' of the people...
as His prophets...so...not the experts...

He chose humble souls who Listened to Him.

The gentile concept is an invention of esau - does not exist..reflects the corrupt scroll...
 
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Runningman said:
What you're describing refers to a statistical anomaly known as an outlier. Outliers never inform the majority. There is a reason why the outlier exists. It doesn't mean it's wrong and it doesn't mean the majority is wrong. There is no contradiction to a rule, it's just that outliers are explained by the circumstances.

However, what the Trinitarians are unable to explain is why, if Jesus provided a baptismal formula, why no one followed it. I don't recall any of them having attempted to explain this.
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Baptizing in the authority of JESUS is baptism in the authority of the Father Son Holy Ghost.
 
Runningman said:
That doesn't answer my question at all. Let's try this.

For example, Jesus is not equal to God according to the Bible:

Psalm 8
4What is man that You think of him,
And a son of man that You are concerned about him?
5Yet You have made him a little lower than God,
And You crown him with glory and majesty!
6You have him rule over the works of Your hands;
You have put everything under his feet,

Now how do you come up with Jesus being equal to God?
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Psalm 8, speaks of Jesus in human nature.

He is equal to God the Father as being God, that Father proves that.(Heb 1:8,9)
Jesus the "only begotten God." (John 1:18)

You as a believer, can you claim what Jesus said in John 16:15?
In mathematical idea, "all" is 100%, whom Jesus claimed 100% mine. Are 100% = 100% equal or not?

John 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you.
 
Peterlag said:
In biblical research and in any other reasonable study. If we have 10 clear verses on a subject and 1 verse that does not fit with the other 10 verses on the same subject. We are not to disregard the 10 clear verses and hold on to the 1 verse and then say we have proof that the 1 verse is well documented. Baptizing in the name of the father, son, and spirit is not taught or practiced anywhere in the book of Acts or in any other part of the New Testament. Nobody carried out such a request that you say came from Jesus. Nobody.
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Do that mean that many verses can erase few verses?
Then why it was written? To know more or to know less?
 
Runningman said:
What you're describing refers to a statistical anomaly known as an outlier. Outliers never inform the majority. There is a reason why the outlier exists. It doesn't mean it's wrong and it doesn't mean the majority is wrong. There is no contradiction to a rule, it's just that outliers are explained by the circumstances.

However, what the Trinitarians are unable to explain is why, if Jesus provided a baptismal formula, why no one followed it. I don't recall any of them having attempted to explain this.
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Is Jesus not included in Mathew 28?
As for me one is good, two is better, three the best.
 
mikesw said:
Finally, the unitarian returns the baptism to the Trinity.
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I would advise anyone who mistakenly got baptized in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" to renounce it and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ instead. Or do you also reject baptism in Jesus' name? So far it looks like you have not agreed it's a proper baptism and have made every effort to argue against it.
 
Capbook said:
Psalm 8, speaks of Jesus in human nature.

He is equal to God the Father as being God, that Father proves that.(Heb 1:8,9)
Jesus the "only begotten God." (John 1:18)

You as a believer, can you claim what Jesus said in John 16:15?
In mathematical idea, "all" is 100%, whom Jesus claimed 100% mine. Are 100% = 100% equal or not?

John 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; this is why I said that He takes from Mine and will disclose it to you.
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Your arguments are becoming circular.

So your opinion is that Jesus is equal to God and you referred to Hebrews 1:8,9 which is an exact quote about king Solomon in Psalm 45:6,7. So Solomon is equal to God too? I assume you will say no. If Solomon isn't equal to God then neither is Jesus.

As for John 1:18, the Greek doesn't mention anything about Jesus being God in that verse.

John 16:15 doesn't do anything to demonstrate Jesus being equal with God because if all things the Father has are Jesus' then all things the Father has are an inheritance for believers as well. Romans 8:17 says of believes "Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ" Is Jesus a child of God? Yes, therefore he's an heir. Are believers children of God? Yes, therefore we Christians are heirs of God too. That's what the Bible says.

So once again, where is Jesus even remotely close to being equal to God in the Bible?
 
mikesw said:
Finally, the unitarian returns the baptism to the Trinity.
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Jesus affirms the EQUALITY between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit- the 3 are 1. Baptized them in the name ( singular ) of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit ( Plural ) Our One God is Plural in Persons.

They make Jesus out to be a liar.
 
civic said:
Jesus affirms the EQUALITY between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit- the 3 are 1. Baptized them in the name ( singular ) of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit ( Plural ) Our One God is Plural in Persons.

They make Jesus out to be a liar.
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Where in Scripture do you see this plural?
 
civic said:
Jesus affirms the EQUALITY between the Father, Son, Holy Spirit- the 3 are 1. Baptized them in the name ( singular ) of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit ( Plural ) Our One God is Plural in Persons.

They make Jesus out to be a liar.
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You are making Jesus out to be a liar by accusing him of things he never affirmed. Fortunately, your accusations won't stick.
 
Runningman said:
You are making Jesus out to be a liar by accusing him of things he never affirmed. Fortunately, your accusations won't stick.
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no you are projecting.

Philippians 2:6
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”

John 14:9
Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 5:18
Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 20:28
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”

next fallacy

scripture just rebuked your false teachings

hope this helps !!!
 
Runningman said:
I would advise anyone who mistakenly got baptized in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" to renounce it and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ instead. Or do you also reject baptism in Jesus' name? So far it looks like you have not agreed it's a proper baptism and have made every effort to argue against it.
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That is such bad advice. Did you not see in Matt 28:19-20 that Jesus is right there for whoever actually looks at that verse? Is it really that hard to comprehend?
 
mikesw said:
exactly three persons in equal status under one name and authority. Is it really that hard to comprehend?
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I know its hard to believe they are blind to that simple truth in the passage.

This shows us how blinding false doctrine can be- its like a stronghold over the mind and heart over a person.
 

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