All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Peterlag]

Something that is openly admitted by theologians that is not known by many Christians is that the doctrine of the Trinity is not stated in the Bible, but is actually “built” by piecing together statements that are said to support it. Since most Christians believe the Trinity is a mystery and not to be understood is a huge reason why doctrinal discussions about it are often avoided or brushed aside and ignored. Worse, the teaching that the Trinity is a “mystery” has been used as a club to beat down doubters and dissenters, and those people are often branded as “heretics” and their role in Christianity minimized.

The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, and that is supporting evidence that the doctrine is unbiblical, which may be why Trinitarians differ, sometimes greatly in their definitions of the Trinity. The Eastern Orthodox Church differs from the Western Church on the relation of the Holy Spirit to the Father and the Son. Trinitarians who hold to the “classic” definition of the Trinity say Jesus was 100% God and 100% man while on the earth believe differently from Kenotic Trinitarians who believe Jesus set aside his godhood while he was a man on the earth. Oneness Pentecostals say the classic formula of the Trinity is completely wrong, and yet all these claim that Christ is God and that the Bible supports their position.

 

[mikesw]

errant diagram omitted

So instead of logic you are now resorting to pictures instead of issues.

 

[Runningman]

So instead of logic you are now resorting to pictures instead of issues.

No one was ever baptized in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" according to Scripture.

 

[Runningman]

You don't find it odd that the Bible says nothing about the trinity, yet the closest possible match got completely ignored by everyone in practice? @mikesw and the other one in 1 John 5:7 got stripped from the Bible? You don't get it man. The trinity is not who God is. That's not Christianity.

 

[e v e]

@e v e Below is where you say that Esau wrote a book.

s e l a h

i never said 'book' i said copy, by which meaning a copy of His original words to us which in the bibles we have today His words are now interspersed with wicked words, ie changes made by God's enemies.

 

[e v e]

In your post #1,720. —right here below where you say:

“He is certainly deity. a gorgeous being.

He is not our father...

it is baffling how modern christianity twists christ into the same being as His father, which is a pagan theology view.”

nowhere in that do i say i am not christian.

would never say that since I am definitely christian.

only Christ is judge of that, not you.

 

[e v e]

@e v e Below is where you say that Esau wrote a book.

s e l a h

by esau is meant souls of the type esau... heathens, egypt etc.

here in this post and the one after it, is shown
esaus intent, which was carried out for ptolemy ii.

to read the post, click the embedded title.

Post in thread 'What is the New Covenant?'

Sep 24, 2025

ptolemy ii's corrupt septuagint
was the bible used,
before and during and after Christ was on earth,
regardless of modern finds
... and in it are mixed together What God said
And what esau corrupted by adding, removing, rearranging, editing....

read the Aristeas letter, quoted below just one small detail...
to learn about the translation of what became the septuagint and their admitted intent to alter and improve the words !!!! Here from page 21 (archive org pdf), of the Aristeas letter, this proposal submitted after buttering up the hebrews by freeing some of them to obtain...

• e v e

 

[e v e]

and more, addressed to ptolemy ii, see screenshot.

men not of God translated and changed the words God said to us.

 

[e v e]

In your post #1,720. —right here below where you say:

“He is certainly deity. a gorgeous being.

He is not our father...

it is baffling how modern christianity twists christ into the same being as His father, which is a pagan theology view.”

trinity is fine just that i don't follow
the vatican / aristotle version.

 

[e v e]

In your post #1,720. —right here below where you say:

“He is certainly deity. a gorgeous being.

He is not our father...

it is baffling how modern christianity twists christ into the same being as His father, which is a pagan theology view.”

these posts i made, filtered to address your statement, may clarify for you
since i do not accept augustine and the vatican's aristotle/plato versions of trinity.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/search/17701/?q=irenaeus&c%5Busers%5D=e+v+e&o=relevance

 

[Selah]

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nowhere in that do i say i am not christian.

would never say that since I am definitely christian.

only Christ is judge of that, not you.

Is Christ God?
—selah

 

[Peterlag]

The Unitarians apostle Paul, however, was very clear and succinct in his acknowledgment and description of WHO God is because he KNEW WHO the real true God is in one sentence!

If the Trinity God existed Paul would have said "there's one God the Triune God or Trinity God" but he didn't because there isn't!
In sharp contrast, the desperate Trinitarians can't even find the definition of their God in one verse in the entire Bible as there's no explicit description of their polytheistic Triune God found anywhere except in Creeds and Councils.
Here's some data on John 8:58...

“Ego eimi” just means “I am” not I am Yahweh. The phrase ego eimi is common in Greek. It appears all over the New Testament in regular conversation, including by people who are not God. In John 9:9, the blind man says ego EIMI “I am.” Was he claiming to be Yahweh? Exodus 3:14 is not written in Greek. The original phrase God uses in Exodus is “ehyeh asher ehyeh” which means “I will be who I will be.” Jesus never says “I am Yahweh” and the apostles never said He did.

In John 8:58: Jesus says “Before Abraham was, I am.” He is not claiming to be Yahweh. He is claiming preeminence and identity, not eternity. He is saying that before Abraham existed, his identity was already determined. Jesus never said “I am Yahweh.” He said “I am.” And he meant... I am the one who was sent, the one who fulfills the plan, the one who is the way, the truth, and the life. That is divine mission, not divine essence.

What the trinity folks do is read backwards from English translations and theological assumptions.

 

[Runningman]

Apostle Peter didn't believe Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He didn't believe Jesus is YHWH.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him.

 

[dwight92070]

Peter knew who Jesus was.
2 Peter 1:1 "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ."

He knew the Psalm of David in Psalm 23:1. "The Lord (Yahweh, Who is God) is my Shepherd."

"And when the Chief Shepherd appears, ... (that's Jesus) when He returns."

Yahweh is the Chief Shepherd - Jesus.

1 Peter 2:25 " ... but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls." Who have we returned to? Jesus who is God.

 

[e v e]

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Is Christ God?
—selah

Christ is our deity

we are from below,
here on this earth, imprisoned in a
foreign nature and body
not made by Him.

being in so poor condition
therefore
your question is a bit above our paygrade
which you asked..
about the concept of Godhead

giving the right answer
is a form of pride
(and it's worth dying to that pride)

also, any answer i give to your question
affects not one iota your utter inability to judge
me as a soul, and your sect's lack of authority
to judge me...
that authority is reserved entirely to God


which is why your question
is too high for me
and not important and never has
been for centuries
except as a way esau
has bullied you and me,
just like satan bullied poor eve.

What matters is to follow Christ
stay in Him,
and go Home.

 

[Runningman]

Peter didn't believe Jesus is God.

Acts 2
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know. 23He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. 24But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep Him in its grip.
32God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him.
26When God raised up His Servant, He sent Him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

Acts 4
10then let this be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

Acts 5
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had killed by hanging Him on a tree. 31God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Acts 10
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
40God raised Him up on the third day and caused Him to be seen—

1 Peter 1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God.

2 Peter 1
17For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

 

[Runningman]

Christ is our deity

we are from below,
here on this earth, imprisoned in a
foreign nature and body
not made by Him.

Jesus told some people they are from below, but he didn't say that to everyone. He said to someone else that people should be from above just like he is.

John 3
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.”
7Do not wonder that I said to you, ‘It is necessary for you all to be born from above.

 

[e v e]

Jesus told some people they are from below, but he didn't say that to everyone. He said to someone else that people should be from above just like he is.

John 3
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.”
7Do not wonder that I said to you, ‘It is necessary for you all to be born from above.

but no one is currently born from above
if incarnated here,
since above refers to the other reality,
not this earth....

that's the point,
His 144k will meet Christ on the clouds soon
and return Home to eden paradise in the other reality

Christ made legally possible us to be saved
rapture is the de facto of that

 

[e v e]

Jesus told some people they are from below, but he didn't say that to everyone. He said to someone else that people should be from above just like he is.

John 3
3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, except anyone be born from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.”
7Do not wonder that I said to you, ‘It is necessary for you all to be born from above.

and this will happen at our rapture soon

 

[e v e]

Peter didn't believe Jesus is God.

Acts 2
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know. 23He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross. 24But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep Him in its grip.
32God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
33Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him.
26When God raised up His Servant, He sent Him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

Acts 4
10then let this be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

Acts 5
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had killed by hanging Him on a tree. 31God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Acts 10
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
40God raised Him up on the third day and caused Him to be seen—

1 Peter 1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
21Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; and so your faith and hope are in God.

2 Peter 1
17For He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

regardless Christ is our deity...

deity as a concept
refers to a nature, eden nature

which we lost

all that He created had His signature
.. able to be recognized as by His hand


this earth lacks that
the exception being His souls
imprisoned here

nature here is utterly ruthless.
Not His ...