Runningman
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So since Jesus is the son of God then is he begotten? Yes or no.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Just because scripture in the OT has primarily recognize the oneness of God does not erase the places where two powers of heaven are revealed in the OT or where Jesus is revealed as God in the NT. Is scripture unable to challenge the limited conception of God that you have?
Runningman
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It's the same in the New Testament. Now you understand why the Father is the only true God? Why do you suppose no one ever called God a they or them if God is a they or them? Gee whiz, this isn't rocket science Mike. It just means God isn't more than one person.
Peterlag
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THE “THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY” CANNOT BE GOD, BECAUSE...
Only The Father Knows.
Jesus said it himself: only the Father knows when he will return (Matthew 24:36). If the Holy Spirit were a third coequal member of a triune godhead, it would know too—but it doesn’t - only the Father knows.
It Does Not Speak Its Own Words
John 16:13 says the Spirit “will not speak on its own authority, but whatever it hears it will speak.” That’s a far cry from God - who speaks by His own authority, and is never told what to say by someone else.
“It” - Not “He”
Scripture often calls the Spirit “it” because it is not a person:
Numbers 11:25: “And the LORD took of the Spirit that was upon Moses, and gave IT unto the seventy elders...”
Romans 8:16: “The Spirit IT-self beareth witness with our spirit…”
ohn 16:13 says the Spirit “will not speak on ITS own authority, but whatever IT hears IT will speak.”
God is always a “He” never an “It”.
Almost Never Listed With The Father And Son
“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ” – Romans 1:7
“There is but one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ” –1 Corinthians 8:6
If the Spirit is a coequal person of God, why is it missing from nearly every list alongside the Father and the Son?
Only The Father Knows.
Jesus said it himself: only the Father knows when he will return (Matthew 24:36). If the Holy Spirit were a third coequal member of a triune godhead, it would know too—but it doesn’t - only the Father knows.
It Does Not Speak Its Own Words
John 16:13 says the Spirit “will not speak on its own authority, but whatever it hears it will speak.” That’s a far cry from God - who speaks by His own authority, and is never told what to say by someone else.
“It” - Not “He”
Scripture often calls the Spirit “it” because it is not a person:
Numbers 11:25: “And the LORD took of the Spirit that was upon Moses, and gave IT unto the seventy elders...”
Romans 8:16: “The Spirit IT-self beareth witness with our spirit…”
ohn 16:13 says the Spirit “will not speak on ITS own authority, but whatever IT hears IT will speak.”
God is always a “He” never an “It”.
Almost Never Listed With The Father And Son
“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ” – Romans 1:7
“There is but one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ” –1 Corinthians 8:6
If the Spirit is a coequal person of God, why is it missing from nearly every list alongside the Father and the Son?
