All Claims of The Son's Deity

Exactly. The incarnation of God is to a man. You forget that the humanity of Jesus is not forgotten in normal theology nor is Jesus as God forgotten. I guess I have to keep reminding you of this.
I have no idea what you're talking about. The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.
 
God could not redeem us. He's not qualified. It had to be a man like Adam.
(smile), lol, lol, lol, What you say. see pete, you deny God, by saying, "He's not qualified, God could not redeem us." YOU KNOW NOT THE SCRIPTURES. listen, Luke 18:27 "And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God."

watch God, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

one more time God witness to himself, (as if he needs it), Isaiah 59:16 "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him."

that's plain as day if you could not get it in Isaiah 63:5, pete did you hear? .... NO MAN, once again... NO MAN. could do it, only God, coming as a MAN could. see your doctrine of agency, .... for men, do not work in "SPIRITUAL" salvation/deliverance.

Physical saviors vs The Spiritual SAVIOUR
God would raise up “a” human to deliver, or save men from their physical bondage, and oppressor. when Jesus, our
Lord, came they was looking for physical deliverance from their physical oppressor as before. they was looking
for the same old cycle, and routine. they sin, and God would put them in bondage. they cry out, he would send a
deliverer. that’s why the law was change, and why he put an end to sin, at the cross, (which NO MAN could do). but this time God himself came in the likeness of a human saviour, and delivered them Spiritually, putting an end to sin, for physical bondage was the result of Spiritual disobedience. knowing this, can a human man fight against a spiritual enemy to deliver a people?, the answer is a resounding NO. only a human can fight against another human to overcome another human. but one need the Spirit of God to fight, or overcome another spirit. so that’s the FAILURE of the unitarian doctrine, or their believe. you can’t fight a spirit with human flesh. Satan is an spirit, Hebrews 1:7 "And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his
ministers a flame of fire”. That like coming to a gunfight with a knife. you will lose every time. one need the most and only powerful Spirit to overcome a spirit that have power. yes Satan have, or had power. listen to our Lord Jesus. Matthew 12:24 "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house”. (see no human man can do that). so before one can deliver, one must be able to deliver. one must have the POWER to bind the strongman. and it was clear that no “human man”, was found worthy to deliver the people from their sin, (BECAUSE ALL MEN WAS UNDER SIN). supportive scripture, Isaiah 59:16 "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him”. so God himself came. this is also supported in Chapter 5 of Revelation. "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?. 3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon”. and John wept, because no human saviour was found worthy. why was this?. because it would call for a sacrifice of ones life, which no man could continue after death, because of his own sin. (NOTE: THIS IS WHY THE LORD JESUS RAISED UP HIS OWN BODY, PER JOHN 2::19), salvation required a sinless sacrifice. (WHICH AGAIN no man WAS QUALIFIED), and this life that was required was a giving of ones life, “blood”, (which is the life of the flesh). scripture, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given
it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul”. now our Lord’s Blood. Matthew 26:26 "And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins”. that word remission, is the Greek word, G859 ἄφεσις aphesis (af'-es-is) n. it
means, freedom, pardon, deliverance, forgiveness, liberty. WAIT A MINUTE, liberty?, yes, scripture, 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty”. LIBERTY is in the Spirit, and not in a man. so the notion of our Lord Jesus as being a mere human man is nonsense. the Lord Jesus our God of LIBERITY came in the LIKNESS of human flesh to deliver us from ... OUR sin, again which no man can. he, God took part, and was not a partaker of our human
nature. but Taking part IS NOT THE SAME AS PARTAKE, (understand the virgin birth). the Lord Jesus, who is the real man, and why , and how he came. Will the , REAL SAVIOUR STAND UP. Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am “he”: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour”. notice two things here. as we have already stated, the small case “s” in saviour, and the “a” as the only saviour. “and beside me there is no saviour”, (God in human form). that means only one saviour. here, our Lord and God is referring to himself in flesh and blood as in the likeness of a human man, “diversified” in spirit, (equally shared in Spirit, per Phil. 2:6 clearly states.). Isaiah 60:16 "Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob”. here God is telling us that it will be him that saves. lest see God himself as SAVIOUR. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you”. so I ask, who is coming?. Answer, GOD. But did not the scriptures say that he sent his Son?. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved”. Wait a minute, hold the press. God sent?. I thought God was coming according to Isaiah 35:4. So what’s going on here, is this a contradiction?. lets clear up the smoke. read Isaiah 35:4 again, and pay careful attention to the latter part of the verse. "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your
God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you”. Did you see it?. If not here it is. The scripture stated that “he” will come. What’s the big deal here. If one would notice , the verse say that “God” will come, and it said, “even God”. but at the end of the scripture it said, “he” will come and save you. now the revelation of the diversity. All through out the verse it said, God, even God is coming. But when it gets to the end of the scripture, it changes from God to says “he” will come and save you. why not say “God” will come and save you. just as it say “God” will come, even “God” at the beginning. what’s the revelation?. it’s the “he”, who is God, but in diverse manner, meaning in flesh, bone, with blood as a MAN. for it is the BLOOD that makes atonement. but God is a Spirit, and the Lord Jesus is that Spirit. then how are we to explain this, man, this
Christ is God in flesh?. answer, “diversity”. scripture, Philippians 2:6 as we have already establish. here the word form, mean nature. “for God is a Spirit”, (see John 4:24a). 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men”, again, the word form, means nature, and that nature was shared in flesh & bone with blood. he, (God) took part in the nature of the servant, which is flesh, bone and blood, (human). verse 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross”. that’s our answer, “And being found in fashion as a man”. so it was our God, who is Lord, in human flesh and blood. who came as a child, a son, meaning a “diversity”, an offspring, as the prophet Isaiah said, 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
Prince of Peace”. that’s why we see “he” will save you in Isaiah 35:4. he is that child, he is that son, the diversity of God. Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord”. notice the capital “S” in saviour, and the “a” meaning the one and only Saviour. so with this capitalization of Saviour here, we know that it is God. but notice the second half of the verse. “ which is Christ the Lord”. this clearly shows that God, (LORD), O.T. is God in the flesh, (Lord), N.T. NOW O.T. conformation of the "he", God's own ARM. Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" LISTEN pete, Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." (there is that "he" that came). Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

he, he, he, ... yes, "he" that came in Isaiah 35:4, GOD HIMSELF as a man, which is his, GOD, .... OWN IMAGE, this is why God made the IMAGE before he came in it, because he KNEW that MAN could not redeem himself. his own IMAGE was made first so, that he, GOD, come come in that IMAGE, so he could REDEEM man from sin, the KINSMAN REDEEMER.

must we go on?101G could write a book just on this subject alone.

101G.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about. The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.
so you are slandering God's people possibly at the expense of your own soul?

We have verses that show Jesus as God. Like this:
John 1:18 (ESV)
18No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

It is obvious that people held to this early on such that many copies of the passage have this wording. It also is known that most if not all the writers of the NT were Jewish. When they reflect the divinity of Christ, this is not some effect of being pagans. They would be sharing what became evident through Jesus. The hyperliteralist unitarian trample over verses like this because they want scripture to explain the Triune God with bible phrases like "three in one."

You either have to deny scripture or you have to claim pantheism. All you have to do on your part is provide some arguments that fully deny who Christ is and then maybe people will reject his divinity too.

Even you had shown that there was early recognition of the divinity of Christ back in the 2nd century -- confirming what scripture shows. There also was recognition of the two powers in heaven, where the Angel of the Lord was seen as sort of a second instance of Yahweh. I just find it too difficult to deny scripture and history so as to convert to the unitarian religion.
 
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you have made a big blunder. to save is to REDEEM, only God can REDEEM. and in redemption of man must be by man. and since no man was found worthy to redeem God himself came in flesh and blood to redeem man, (which is his, God, Own Image), hence the scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

now you got to explain how the Lord Jesus was God in flesh, (God who only saves, because no man was worthy), and also explain how God died in our redemption..... remember you said, "Both God and Jesus are referred to as the saviour because God is the one who saved us and Jesus is the one He sent to do it.

101G will be waiting for your answer.

101G
Looks like you stepped in it again. (smile)

Oh dear, laugh out loud, (smile) There are others who are called saviors in the Bible who are not God or Jesus. Now Runningman will be waiting for your answer.

Judges 3:9
“When the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a savior to the children of Israel, who saved them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother.”

Judges 3:15
“But when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised them up a savior, Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man left-handed: and by him the children of Israel sent a present unto Eglon the king of Moab.”

Nehemiah 9:27
“Therefore you delivered them into the hand of their enemies who oppressed them. But in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto you, you heard them from heaven; and according to your manifold mercies you gave them saviors, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.”

Obadiah 1:21
“And saviors shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD’s.”
 
so you are slandering God's people possibly at the expense of your own soul?

We have verses that show Jesus as God. Like this:
John 1:18 (ESV)
18No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

It is obvious that people held to this early on such that many copies of the passage have this wording. It also is known that most if not all the writers of the NT were Jewish. When they reflect the divinity of Christ, this is not some effect of being pagans. They would be sharing what became evident through Jesus. The hyperliteralist unitarian trample over verses like this because they want scripture to explain the Triune God with bible phrases like "three in one."

You either have to deny scripture or you have to claim pantheism. All you have to do on your part is provide some arguments that fully deny who Christ is and then maybe people will reject his divinity too.

Even you had shown that there was early recognition of the divinity of Christ back in the 2nd century -- confirming what scripture shows. There also was recognition of the two powers in heaven, where the Angel of the Lord was seen as sort of a second instance of Yahweh. I just find it too difficult to deny scripture and history so as to convert to the unitarian religion.
This is the correct version. The son of God didn't have an eternal existence, but rather was born. He's a normal created human, although exceptional in many other ways. No where close to being God though. He denied being God at least once in Mark 10:18.

John 1
18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
 
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