Runningman
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Not like that, but most likely taught and trained what to do and how to be until he was perfected. Jesus had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8)
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Runningman
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The Bible is filled with statements about the Father (who is God and God is holy and Spirit) resurrecting Jesus. Despite the things Jesus said, there is no evidence he performed any actions involving his resurrection in scripture.
For example, the Bible explicitly says the Father resurrected Jesus, performed the action, completed the task. Jesus only ever spoke of his resurrection, but it never says he actually did anything. What Jesus said is purely prophecy of what God would do. Don't nuke it, Jesus died so he couldn't have resurrected his self. Below is the Biblical proof.
Scripture teaches that Jesus did not resurrect himself, but rather God resurrected Jesus.
Acts 2:32 – "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."
Acts 3:15 – "And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."
Acts 3:26 – "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you..."
Acts 4:10 – "Be it known unto you all... that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead..."
Acts 5:30 – "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree."
Acts 10:40 – "Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly..."
Acts 13:30 – "But God raised him from the dead."
Acts 13:33 – "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus..."
Acts 13:34 – "And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead..."
Acts 17:31 – "Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."
Romans 6:4 – "Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father..."
Romans 10:9 – "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
1 Corinthians 6:14 – "And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power."
1 Corinthians 15:15 – "Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ..."
2 Corinthians 4:14 – "Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus..."
Galatians 1:1 – "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)."
Ephesians 1:17, 20 – "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory... Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead..."
Colossians 2:12 – "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."
1 Thessalonians 1:10 – "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead..."
1 Peter 1:21 – "Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead..."
Runningman
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God has never been lower than angels or He would cease being Lord God Almighty. Don't overthink it.
MTMattie
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A baby does not exit the mother with a 180IQ... They all have to have a time to grow and learn... even child geniuses are not so smart til they are weened from their moms.
Jesus was pretty smart when he was 12 and in the temple. The 12th year was the final year of preparation for a lad before he entered full participation in the religious life of the synagogue.
But at that he had to be fully grown before he could even be baptized and start His ministry. So His age of 12 was not the end for Him... It was just a progression.
Runningman
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True, but God isn't just "pretty smart." He is omniscient. So there isn't a comparison to the wisdom and knowledge God inherently has to what Jesus had to learn the hard way just like everyone else.
Luke 2
52And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
MTMattie
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Only you would have expected Jesus be born fully grown and ripping his mother apart.
You and Mork..........Nanoo Nanoo
Or maybe as a pod person.
Why is it that you cannot understand that he had to come as a human being to teach human beings?
Jesus taught by example. Jesus led by example.
Review your post, you first mentioned H3442, that is the Strong number I was requesting.
Nothing in this reply that contain it.
101G
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follow,
H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
1. he will save.
2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel.
[for H3091]
KJV: Jeshua.
Root(s): H3091
[for H3091] let's see what's H3091
H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p.
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
1. Yahweh-saved.
2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader.
[from H3068 and H3467]
KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Root(s): H3068, H3467
from H3068
now, lets see this ROOT or WHERE IT'S ..... FROM.
H3068 יְהוֹוָה Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw') n/p.
1. (the) self-Existent or Eternal
2. Jehovah, Jewish national name of God
3. (anglicized) Jehovah.
4. (as a name prefix) Yeho-.
5. (As expressed in Hebraic Koine Greek) ἐγώ εἰμί, I AM (literally: I myself, I am).
[from H1961]
KJV: Jehovah, the Lord.
did one see, or notice where this root for the Jewish national name of God come from?. it comes from H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. which is “I AM”.
1. to exist
2. to be or become
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary
NOW LET'S SEE THIS IN SCRIPTURE,
Job 13:16 "He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him."
my salvation: H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
1. something saved.
2. (abstractly) the act or instance of saving or rescuing a soul.
3. (hence) protective aid, victory, prosperity.
4. custodial salvation (that is, in the protective, custodial care of another).
5. (specially) custodial Salvation through the Anointed-One, Yeshua.
[feminine passive participle of H3467]
KJV: deliverance, health, help(-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
Root(s): H3467
Compare: H3468
See also: G4992, G4991
my salvation: IT'S H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
Psalms 62:1 "To the chief Musician, to Jeduthun, A Psalm of David. Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation." AND
Psalms 62:2 "He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved." AND
Psalms 62:6 "He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved." AND,
Psalms 88:1 "A Song or Psalm for the sons of Korah, to the chief Musician upon Mahalath Leannoth, Maschil of Heman the Ezrahite. O LORD God of my salvation, I have cried day and night before thee:" AND,
Psalms 89:26 "He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation." AND,
Isaiah 12:2 "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation." AND,
Isaiah 49:6 "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth." AND,
Isaiah 51:6 "Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished." AND THERE ARE MORE REFERENCES.
the term Salvation itself alone, salvation: IT'S H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw) n-f.
Genesis 49:18 "I have waited for thy salvation, O LORD."
Exodus 14:13 "And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever."
Deuteronomy 32:15 "But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation."
1 Samuel 2:1 "And Hannah prayed, and said, My heart rejoiceth in the LORD, mine horn is exalted in the LORD: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation."
1 Samuel 14:45 "And the people said unto Saul, Shall Jonathan die, who hath wrought this great salvation in Israel? God forbid: as the LORD liveth, there shall not one hair of his head fall to the ground; for he hath wrought with God this day. So the people rescued Jonathan, that he died not."
1 Chronicles 16:23 "Sing unto the LORD, all the earth; shew forth from day to day his salvation."
2 Chronicles 20:17 "Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you."
Psalms 3:8 "Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people. Selah."
Psalms 9:14 "That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation."
Psalms 13:5 "But I have trusted in thy mercy; my heart shall rejoice in thy salvation."
Psalms 20:5 "We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions."
Psalms 74:12 "For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth."
Isaiah 12:2 "Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation."
Isaiah 25:9 "And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation."
Isaiah 49:6 "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."
these are just a few, there are many more examples.
now, THE long WAY AROUND. FOLLOW H3467
Psalms 18:2 "The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower."
MY SALVATION: H3468 יֶשַׁע yesha` (yeh'-shah) n-m.
יֵשַׁע yesha` (yay'-shah)
1. salvation.
2. (hence) liberty, prosperity.
[from H3467]
KJV: safety, salvation, saving.
Root(s): H3467
Compare: H8668
See also: H3444, G4991, G4992
[from H3467]
just FOLLOW THE ROOT AND WHERE THE WORD COME FROM
H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
1. he will save.
2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel.
[for H3091]
KJV: Jeshua.
Root(s): H3091
[for H3091] let's see what's H3091
H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p.
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
1. Yahweh-saved.
2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader.
[from H3068 and H3467] ............. look
KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Root(s): H3068, H3467
[from H3068 and H3467]
H3467 יָשַׁע yasha` (yaw-shah') v.
1. (properly) to be open, wide or free from captivity.
2. (by implication) to be safe.
3. (causatively) to rescue or succor.
[a primitive root]
KJV: X at all, avenging, defend, deliver(-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save(-iour), get victory.
Compare: H2666, H7768
See also: H3444, H3468, H3469, H4190, H4337, G5614
HIS NAME IS ALL OVER THE OLD TESTAMENT
101G
Sure!
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101G
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well then be ..... LOL, LOL, LOL, 101G just LOVE IT .....Sure!
Definition of GLADE
an open space surrounded by woods… See the full definition
now what about Lot and his daughters? did 101G spell that right,,,,, *smile)... lol, Oh boy
101G.
May I know what verse that have H3442?
101G
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there are many for H3442, "יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah)" just do a bible search on "Jeshua". or the reference to the name in Hebrews 4:8 "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."
JESUS: G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies).
6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12).
[of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]
KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3442
See also: H3091
Please note the difference in Definitions #2 and #3.
but for "H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw)" see post #892 above.
101G.
MTMattie
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I rest my case, your honor.
101G
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YHWH = I AM, which is a VERB, and not a NOUN..... Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
I AM THAT I AM is H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. ....
.... (NOTICE, IT'S A VERB).1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
Compare: H1933
101G.
YHWH = I AM, which is a VERB, and not a NOUN..... Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
I AM THAT I AM is H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. ....
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
Compare: H1933
101G.
The point I was making is Jesus and Joshua are the same.
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day.
Hebrews 4:8 NKJV
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Hebrews 4:8 KJV
The Hebrew for Joshua is YEHOWSHUWA
The four letters for LORD is YHWH.
The Name of YHWH is found within it.
Jesus = LORD; YHWH, I AM, ALMIGHTY GOD
MTMattie
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Thank you Dorothy Bryson.YHWH = I AM, which is a VERB, and not a NOUN..... Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
I AM THAT I AM is H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. ....
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.
Compare: H1933
101G.
'I' is the subject pronoun for the first person singular, while 'am' is the present tense form of the verb 'to be'.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Why .................
you ask why he cannot understand .
what is the key that holds his heart . is it a lie or is it TRUTH .
what man loveth and desires to believe
is what those of the flesh will always desire to believe . and it aint TRUTH sister .
Oh it can have truths , as do every false religoin
as do even the most wicked transgender alive can spout truths every now and again .
But it darn sure dont mean FOLKS KNOW , LOVE , EMBRACE , THE TRUTH .
the question that should be asked is
WHY do folks desire to beleive something contrary to what was written .
NAMELY THIS .
IN the beginning was THE WORD and the WORD was with GOD
and the WORD was GOD . WHY oh why would folks want and desire
to believe THIS JUST IS NOT the case .
MANY have no idea as to WHY JESUS was made lower than the angels .
IT WAS SO HE COULD DIE for us . THE WORD had to become flesh
and as a man HAD TO FULLFILL what man could not fullfill .
And then to die and through death TOOK the keys from HE who had the power over death .
SO THAT ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM , WHO LIVE UNTO HIM should not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE .
TO DENY that the WORD was GOD , IS to DENY GOD .
WHO else could save man . IT was man THAT PUT US HERE In this cursed position in the first place .
AND let us not kid ourselves , we all would have been just as guilty as the first man , the first woman .
THROUGH MAN came death . THROUGH GOD cometh LIFE and RESTORATION .
Lord who then can be saved . WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE .
no ordinary man could have done what GOD had to do to save us .
GOD IS HIS WORD .
Tothalordbeallglory
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Technically it must have been simliar too the same name .
Joshua , Remember that english stemmed from german
In german the J sound is as a Y . OH yeah i know this to be a fact .
SO lets start pronoucing it according to how it should sound .
Yashua , seeing also a great vowel changed occured in english as well
it probably orginally sounded like YESHUA .
It was joshua who had told them of another day of rest .
Decades to centuries later it would be Yeshua that gave unto all who do BELIEVE IN HIM ,
REST for their souls and believe you me
these sheep ALSO LOOK FORWARD , as did all the sheep through all ages ,
THE PROMISE OF HIS GLORIOUS RETURN wherein we shall forever BE with HE who has saved us .
For more info on this last statement
I wish you had a camera and could have seen my eyes and heard MY SIGH
when i typed that Last sentence . THIS SHEEP has ONE HOME it looks so forward too
FOREVER WITH THE GLORIOUS KING who saved and changed me .
OH my HOW that day sounds JUST TOTALLY GLORIOUS , FULL OF PEACE , FULL OF OH THANK THE LORD
we are HOME WITH THE KING WHO SAVED US .
Till then BUCKLE DOWN , STRAP ON ALL ARMOUR , cause the delusion will get only worse
and more and more shall the sheep who desired only GOOD for this people
weep and weep and weep as they watch the many within christendom TURN against them .
Weeping not that they must suffer , but weeping FOR THE DECIEVED who loved the lie cause that end IS REAL NASTY .
