All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Marvelloustime]

Technically it must have been simliar too the same name .
Joshua , Remember that english stemmed from german
In german the J sound is as a Y . OH yeah i know this to be a fact .
SO lets start pronoucing it according to how it should sound .
Yashua , seeing also a great vowel changed occured in english as well
it probably orginally sounded like YESHUA .
It was joshua who had told them of another day of rest .
Decades to centuries later it would be Yeshua that gave unto all who do BELIEVE IN HIM ,
REST for their souls and believe you me
these sheep ALSO LOOK FORWARD , as did all the sheep through all ages ,
THE PROMISE OF HIS GLORIOUS RETURN wherein we shall forever BE with HE who has saved us .
For more info on this last statement
I wish you had a camera and could have seen my eyes and heard MY SIGH
when i typed that Last sentence . THIS SHEEP has ONE HOME it looks so forward too
FOREVER WITH THE GLORIOUS KING who saved and changed me .
OH my HOW that day sounds JUST TOTALLY GLORIOUS , FULL OF PEACE , FULL OF OH THANK THE LORD
we are HOME WITH THE KING WHO SAVED US .
Till then BUCKLE DOWN , STRAP ON ALL ARMOUR , cause the delusion will get only worse
and more and more shall the sheep who desired only GOOD for this people
weep and weep and weep as they watch the many within christendom TURN against them .
Weeping not that they must suffer , but weeping FOR THE DECIEVED who loved the lie cause that end IS REAL NASTY .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I rest my case, your honor.

Ed would like to give you his full name . Lol . Ed zach Lee .
Exactly sister . GOD IS HIS WORD indeed .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Why .................
you ask why he cannot understand .
what is the key that holds his heart . is it a lie or is it TRUTH .
what man loveth and desires to believe
is what those of the flesh will always desire to believe . and it aint TRUTH sister .
Oh it can have truths , as do every false religoin
as do even the most wicked transgender alive can spout truths every now and again .
But it darn sure dont mean FOLKS KNOW , LOVE , EMBRACE , THE TRUTH .
the question that should be asked is
WHY do folks desire to beleive something contrary to what was written .
NAMELY THIS .
IN the beginning was THE WORD and the WORD was with GOD
and the WORD was GOD . WHY oh why would folks want and desire
to believe THIS JUST IS NOT the case .
MANY have no idea as to WHY JESUS was made lower than the angels .
IT WAS SO HE COULD DIE for us . THE WORD had to become flesh
and as a man HAD TO FULLFILL what man could not fullfill .
And then to die and through death TOOK the keys from HE who had the power over death .
SO THAT ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM , WHO LIVE UNTO HIM should not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE .
TO DENY that the WORD was GOD , IS to DENY GOD .
WHO else could save man . IT was man THAT PUT US HERE In this cursed position in the first place .
AND let us not kid ourselves , we all would have been just as guilty as the first man , the first woman .
THROUGH MAN came death . THROUGH GOD cometh LIFE and RESTORATION .
Lord who then can be saved . WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE .
no ordinary man could have done what GOD had to do to save us .
GOD IS HIS WORD .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Capbook]

there are many for H3442, "יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah)" just do a bible search on "Jeshua". or the reference to the name in Hebrews 4:8 "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."
JESUS: G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies).
6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12).
[of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]
KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3442
See also: H3091

Please note the difference in Definitions #2 and #3.

but for "H3444 יְשׁוּעָה yshuw`ah (yesh-oo'-aw)" see post #892 above.

101G.

I don't see H3442 on Heb 4:8.
You first mentioned about H3442, can't you give me the verse that contain it?
It would be in the OT as Strong No. begin with H.

Heb 4:8 For  R1 if G1437 N1 Joshua G2424  had given G2664  them rest G2664 , He would not have spoken G2980  of another G243  day G2250  after G3326  that.

 

[101G]

I don't see H3442 on Heb 4:8.

well try Joshua 22:4.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

It still continues to amaze me on how you folks can believe God can be beat up, spit on, and killed. Such a concept of who God is all throughout the Old Testament displays no such concept. God is and always was a badass. You were dead in the Old Testament if you even made an honest human mistake like bumped into the Ark or walked in the wrong room in the Temple. My friend Richard, says you can hold this view because you use the "get out of jail free" card whenever you need to. The card that says "that was the human side of Jesus."

Is Richard correct?

There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. Such an important subject matter like the trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it.

And there's the spinning and twisting from the trinitarians who can't come up with one verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Trinitarians who can't come up with one verse that says why God would come to the earth as a man. Trinitarians who have to make up their own words that are not in the Bible. Words like trinity, deity, and incarnated.

If any of this nonsense was true and since it's so important and a huge subject to Christianity and is necessary for salvation like many teach. Then it would have been taught by someone somewhere. And it is not.

 

[Redemption]

It still continues to amaze me on how you folks can believe God can be beat up, spit on, and killed. Such a concept of who God is all throughout the Old Testament displays no such concept. God is and always was a badass. You were dead in the Old Testament if you even made an honest human mistake like bumped into the Ark or walked in the wrong room in the Temple. My friend Richard, says you can hold this view because you use the "get out of jail free" card whenever you need to. The card that says "that was the human side of Jesus."

Is Richard correct?

There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. Such an important subject matter like the trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it.

And there's the spinning and twisting from the trinitarians who can't come up with one verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Trinitarians who can't come up with one verse that says why God would come to the earth as a man. Trinitarians who have to make up their own words that are not in the Bible. Words like trinity, deity, and incarnated.

If any of this nonsense was true and since it's so important and a huge subject to Christianity and is necessary for salvation like many teach. Then it would have been taught by someone somewhere. And it is not.

I am not going to waste my fingers on you, but do you have any idea of what you are talking about when you say "It still continues to amaze me on how you folks can believe God can be beat up, spit on, and killed."

You do not have a clue and by this time you should.
Your eisegesis is the size of an acorn where it should be the size of a might oak like ours except your exegesis keeps you from growing.

Tis a shame.

 

[civic]

It still continues to amaze me on how you folks can believe God can be beat up, spit on, and killed. Such a concept of who God is all throughout the Old Testament displays no such concept. God is and always was a badass. You were dead in the Old Testament if you even made an honest human mistake like bumped into the Ark or walked in the wrong room in the Temple. My friend Richard, says you can hold this view because you use the "get out of jail free" card whenever you need to. The card that says "that was the human side of Jesus."

Is Richard correct?

There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. Such an important subject matter like the trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it.

And there's the spinning and twisting from the trinitarians who can't come up with one verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Trinitarians who can't come up with one verse that says why God would come to the earth as a man. Trinitarians who have to make up their own words that are not in the Bible. Words like trinity, deity, and incarnated.

If any of this nonsense was true and since it's so important and a huge subject to Christianity and is necessary for salvation like many teach. Then it would have been taught by someone somewhere. And it is not.

It was prophesied about the Divine Messiah and fulfilled. Its amazing how you can read the bible and deny it.

 

[Peterlag]

It was prophesied about the Divine Messiah and fulfilled. Its amazing how you can read the bible and deny it.

I wondered how you were doing. I had not seen you for a while. Glad you're still with us.

 

[civic]

I wondered how you were doing. I had not seen you for a while. Glad you're still with us.

Thanks I'm here daily.

 

[101G]

It still continues to amaze me on how you folks can believe God can be beat up, spit on, and killed.

that's your first mistake. YOU CANNOT ... "BELIEVE" , LISTEN CAREFULLY, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" (WHO'S ARM?). Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

AND AS FOR "KILLED", Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions". this term "wounded" is
H2490 חָלַל chalal (chaw-lal') v.
1. (properly) to bore.
2. (by implication) to wound, to dissolve.
3. (figuratively) to profane (a person, place or thing).
4. (thus) to break (one's word).
5. (also) to begin (as if by an "opening wedge").
6. (denom., from H2485) to play (the flute).
[a primitive root]
KJV: begin (X men began), defile, X break, defile, X eat (as common things), X first, X gather the grape thereof, X take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
Compare: H2470

notice definition #1, another word for bore is pierce. let's see who was pierce, or as the definition above states also, slay (slain), supportive scripture, Zechariah 12:8 "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them." Zechariah 12:9 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem." Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

well Pete, the LORD said it was HIM who was pierced and it was him who poured out the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. the Spirit of Supplication. yes God in flesh. making Supplication or another word for Supplication, is intercession on our behalf. Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

just like Isaiah said, "Who hath believed our report?" apparently not you and many more Pete. this is just too easy not to believe.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

that's your first mistake. YOU CANNOT ... "BELIEVE" , LISTEN CAREFULLY, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" (WHO'S ARM?). Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

AND AS FOR "KILLED", Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions". this term "wounded" is
H2490 חָלַל chalal (chaw-lal') v.
1. (properly) to bore.
2. (by implication) to wound, to dissolve.
3. (figuratively) to profane (a person, place or thing).
4. (thus) to break (one's word).
5. (also) to begin (as if by an "opening wedge").
6. (denom., from H2485) to play (the flute).
[a primitive root]
KJV: begin (X men began), defile, X break, defile, X eat (as common things), X first, X gather the grape thereof, X take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.
Compare: H2470

notice definition #1, another word for bore is pierce. let's see who was pierce, or as the definition above states also, slay (slain), supportive scripture, Zechariah 12:8 "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them." Zechariah 12:9 "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem." Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

well Pete, the LORD said it was HIM who was pierced and it was him who poured out the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. the Spirit of Supplication. yes God in flesh. making Supplication or another word for Supplication, is intercession on our behalf. Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

just like Isaiah said, "Who hath believed our report?" apparently not you and many more Pete. this is just too easy not to believe.

101G.

I posted the same data on 3 different Facebook group sites with tens of thousands of followers and everyone understood what I wrote and nobody had a problem with it. You guys read into stuff that's not there.

For example you look at Titus 2:13 and think it's referring to just God when it says "our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ"

Paul identifies God and Jesus as TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS. It's not valid to translate Titus 2:13 as: "our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ" - (The Christology Of Titus 2:13, J. C. Edwards, PHD, Professor of New Testament and Early Christianity and of Biblical Greek, St. Andrews College, NY.).

"Looking for... the appearing of the glory of the great God and of our saviour Jesus" Two Different Persons - (The Pulpit Commentary).

Many English Versions translate Titus 2:13 in a way which presents God and Jesus as two different persons:

"The appearing of... God, and the appearing of... Jesus" - (CJB).

"The appearing of... God, and of... Jesus" - (GNB, RGT, Moffat's, NMB).

In many of his writings Paul presents God and Jesus as two different persons:

Ephesians 5:5 -"Of God, and of Jesus" - (ASV, AMP, CEB, ESV, GNV, GNT, PHILLIPS, TLB,etc).

1 Timothy 1:1 - "Of Jesus by... God" - (KJV, AMP, BRG, CSB, CEB, Etc).

2 Timothy 4:1- "Of God and of Jesus" - (ASV, AMP, CEB, ESV, GNT, PHILLIPS, etc).

Paul continues with this distinction in the Book of Titus.

Titus 1:1 - "A servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus" - (all translations).

- Titus 1:4 - "From God... and... from... Jesus" (CJB, DRA, GNV, GW, NOG, NMB, Etc).

- "Of God... through Jesus" - (Titus 3:4,6).

As Andrew Perriman (holder of a degree in English Language and Literature from Oxford, and an M.P. and Ph.D from The London School of Theology - of which he is an Associate Research Fellow) points out: "This must weigh heavily against thinking that Paul identifies Jesus as God in Titus 2:13".

And as the New Testament scholar and trinitarian Henry Alford points out in his 'Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary', Vol.3, p.421:
"(A translation which differentiates God from Jesus at Titus 2:13) is both structurally and contextually more probable, and more agreeable to Paul's way of writing."

Would it not be strange indeed if - after so consistently distinguishing between Jesus and God - Paul were to suddenly and inexplicably declare Jesus to be God? - Excerpted from my book "The False Arguments Of Trinitarianism."

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus would have had to have the attributes of God...

if he was God, and most theologians agree that some of God’s attributes are unoriginated, self-existent, immortal, all wise, all good, all-powerful and omnipresent. But Jesus had none of those attributes.

• He was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).
• He was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).
• He was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).
• He was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).
• He was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).
• He was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).