All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Peterlag]

that rejection of verses is the common approach taken by people who do not understand a passage.

Thats rejection of a verse. Not verses. A verse that does not fit with the rest of the Bible.

 

[e v e]

Jesus Christ is God Almighty.

God says that all have sinned & come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23

The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

What must we do to be saved? By believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins, that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

God assures us that once we believe the Gospel of our salvation as stated above, God immediately seals us w/ the Holy Spirit. We can be rest assured that we're saved & can never lose our salvation. Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30; 2:8-9

The only way to be saved is by believing the Gospel & placing your trust alone in Jesus Christ.

Just to be clear, this is what Christianity believes. I'll pray for you.


Q – What is religion?

Religion is humanity’s attempt to reach out to God or the sacred or divine. It involves human effort to become acceptable to God or to give meaning to one’s life. Thus, the potential exists for there to be as many religions as there are humans. This makes religion subjective to the person resulting in no two being the same.

Q – Isn’t Christianity a religion?

No. Christianity is not a religion because it does not involve humanity’s attempt to reach God, but rather God’s attempt to reach humanity. Christianity is centered on a personal relationship between a creator God and His human creation. It’s about a loving God who initiates the relationship by revealing who He is to His human creation by coming to us in the person of Jesus. Through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus a person is given the way to become acceptable to God who is holy and experience the true meaning for their life.

Q – I see Christianity’s roots, but what was the need for the transition to Christianity?

Humans due to their sin nature are relationally separated from God who is holy, i.e. without sin. Through Judaism He provided a temporary work around system to cover over the sin of people. This system enabled a holy God to have relationship with people who were sinful.

God was using His Jewish people and their Judaism system of worship he had instituted through them to prepare and point the way to the time and need for Jesus. Jesus, God in human form, by offering up His life on the cross provided a permanent solution to the separation that sin was causing. This solution eliminated the need for the Judaism system of worship. Worship instead began being centered on Jesus’ death for our sin and His resurrection to life, giving birth to Christianity.

Q – So how do I know Christianity is right?

Jesus, God in human form and the founder of Christianity, said this in John 14:6 of the Bible, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Jesus validated this claim through the immutable fact of His resurrection.

His statement and resurrection are at the core of the irreconcilable differences with the religions of the world. He’s alive and all the founders of the world’s religions died and are still dead!

The way to be right with God in every religion is by earning your way. It is based on works, not grace. Christianity is different from every religion in this aspect: all religions (including Mormonism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism) state that you must earn the right to be reconciled with God. It is by what you do in this life (good deeds or bad deeds) that determines your eternal destiny. Christianity is completely different from this. It is not religion.

Religion is man trying to reach up to God. The message of Christianity is God reaching down to man. Religion is about what man has to DO to be right with God. Christianity is about what God has already DONE to provide us the opportunity to be right with Him. Religion says you must EARN your salvation by doing good deeds or certain acts and not doing evil. Christianity says all we need to do is BELIEVE that Christ has already paid the price for the evil we have done. Christianity says we are all sinners (Romans 3:23; 6:23) and there is nothing we can do to earn the right to be saved. Christianity says that God (in the form of Jesus Christ) stepped into our place and paid the awful price that had to be paid for us. He gave us the free gift of salvation if we choose to believe in Jesus.

“Religion is a system of beliefs or a code of moral conduct that judges (qualifies or disqualifies) a person based on their adherence and obedience to certain codes, rules, laws, traditions, or the performance of required acts.”

i assume you meant well with this... however it's not you, rather, a quote wall (from what sect/cult i have no idea but sounds evangelical!) ... and you are not talking to me personally, therefore i cannot relate and can't reply since i only talk to a soul directly not through printouts.

the content pasted feels to me to reflect the corrupt scroll peddled by vatican/esau etc. Please tell me what You think... You.

I don't follow the platonic ideas presented in that post. sorry.

I really am.

If you want to talk I am here but quote walls are not you talking to me. Which is the only way I can talk to you, if you actually talk to me.

 

[e v e]

Unfortunately we had the 30 year war in europe, much bullying happened... people were killed, the inquisition etc.

I cannot follow any vatican beliefs and what was posted to me was total vatican!

if only for a) my sanity and b) so God won't be angry on me, I cannot respond to any evangelical kjv stuff.

it's crushing to my soul..

 

[e v e]

Apostate Christianity, was my guess?

yes - modern christianity is apostate.

 

[e v e]

Esau wrote a book? Where’s it at?

s e l a h

esau is a type of soul... types and shadows, etc.

 

[Capbook]

"God" is not the Father's name, but the Father is the supreme God, i.e., God Almighty. The Father's name is YHWH. Jesus, the Son of God, is not named YHWH. Jesus is an entirely distinct person from God.

Accordingly, we cannot confine the word "God" to the Father only as it is not His personal name. Right?
As Jesus is the "only begotten God" based on original wording, supported by the oldest manuscripts, the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75. There are various readings but was not described as the original wordings of the manuscripts.

And in Col 2:9 the word "Godhead" that dwelleth on Jesus bodily, defined by Bible lexicon as the nature or state of being God, deity, divine nature and divine being.

Therefore, "God" as being in the divine nature refers to the Father and Jesus as both are in the nature or state of being God.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

NT:2320 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament)
the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

God has the divine nature yes.
Good. So we can have a human and a divine nature like Jesus right? So we aren't God for having the divine nature. Is that a fair conclusion?

For now, we are in human nature, and if by God's grace we are saved through our faith we may become partakers of the divine nature. Being renewed in the image of God, and having communion with them, so as to dwell in God. (2Pet 1:4)

 

[Capbook]

I have no idea what you're talking about. I never said or any other normal person that the Bible does not come from the Scripture or the Bible itself. Nor have I or any other normal person ever taught doctrines from a "Bible" which is not mentioned in the Bible.

Can you cite any verse that the word "Bible" appear in the Bible just like what you want the "Trinity" to appear in the Bible.
That is what I mean.

 

[Capbook]

The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

And in this case it's from a very bad translation.

See the Westcott and Hort's "The New Testament in the Original Greek."
Notice, it is not a translation, it is in original Greek.

(NAS95) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(NAS95+) John 1:18 R1NoG3762 oneG3762 has seenG3708 GodG2316 at anyG4455 timeG4455; R2the onlyG3439 begottenG3439 GodG2316 who is R3in the bosomG2859 of the FatherG3962, R4He has explainedG1834 Him.

(Greek NT Westcott and Hort+) John 1:18 θεονG2316 N-ASM ουδειςG3762 A-NSM-N εωρακενG3708 V-RAI-3S-ATT πωποτεG4455 ADV μονογενηςG3439 A-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM ωνG1510 V-PAP-NSM ειςG1519 PREP τονG3588 T-ASM κολπονG2859 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSM πατροςG3962 N-GSM εκεινοςG1565 D-NSM εξηγησατοG1834 V-ADI-3S

 

[Selah]

the kjv

Esau wrote a book in the KJV? Where? No, he didn’t.

 

[amazing grace]

Can you cite any verse that the word "Bible" appear in the Bible just like what you want the "Trinity" to appear in the Bible.
That is what I mean.

Matthew 1:1 --- the 'book' of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David..... 'book' derived from the Greek word biblos from which we get the word 'Bible'. (Mark 12:26; Luke 3:4, 20:42; etc.)

 

[Runningman]

Accordingly, we cannot confine the word "God" to the Father only as it is not His personal name. Right?
As Jesus is the "only begotten God" based on original wording, supported by the oldest manuscripts, the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75. There are various readings but was not described as the original wordings of the manuscripts.

And in Col 2:9 the word "Godhead" that dwelleth on Jesus bodily, defined by Bible lexicon as the nature or state of being God, deity, divine nature and divine being.

Therefore, "God" as being in the divine nature refers to the Father and Jesus as both are in the nature or state of being God.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

It depends in what sense you're referring to the word "god." The devil is also called god in the Bible, as are angels, and other humans. Your argument for the deity of Jesus is no different than if you were trying to deify Moses or the devil. Jesus nor anyone else are the proper definitive God according to Scripture. There isn't a trinity.

NT:2320 (Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament)
the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)


For now, we are in human nature, and if by God's grace we are saved through our faith we may become partakers of the divine nature. Being renewed in the image of God, and having communion with them, so as to dwell in God. (2Pet 1:4)

Cool, may I ask which version of 2 Peter 1:4 that is?

 

[mikesw]

Thats rejection of a verse. Not verses. A verse that does not fit with the rest of the Bible.

so when the verses at the end of Matthew 28 sums up a critical detail of theology but reveals the misconception of the unitarians, it has to be rejected by the unitarians. It is good that you reveal your rejection of Jesus's words so directly.

 

[e v e]

Esau wrote a book in the KJV? Where? No, he didn’t.

it is pagan ptolemy ii's septuagint...
and later, the kjv directed by sorcerer john Dee, friend of james.

i never said esau wrote 'a book' .. how did you construe that?

esau is a type = pharisee...
like those who murdered Christ.

 

[Peterlag]

so when the verses at the end of Matthew 28 sums up a critical detail of theology but reveals the misconception of the unitarians, it has to be rejected by the unitarians. It is good that you reveal your rejection of Jesus's words so directly.

No that's not correct. It's not when a verse does not line up with unitarians. It's when the verse does not fit with the rest of the Bible.

 

[Peterlag]

See the Westcott and Hort's "The New Testament in the Original Greek."
Notice, it is not a translation, it is in original Greek.

(NAS95) John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

(NAS95+) John 1:18 R1NoG3762 oneG3762 has seenG3708 GodG2316 at anyG4455 timeG4455; R2the onlyG3439 begottenG3439 GodG2316 who is R3in the bosomG2859 of the FatherG3962, R4He has explainedG1834 Him.

(Greek NT Westcott and Hort+) John 1:18 θεονG2316 N-ASM ουδειςG3762 A-NSM-N εωρακενG3708 V-RAI-3S-ATT πωποτεG4455 ADV μονογενηςG3439 A-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM ωνG1510 V-PAP-NSM ειςG1519 PREP τονG3588 T-ASM κολπονG2859 N-ASM τουG3588 T-GSM πατροςG3962 N-GSM εκεινοςG1565 D-NSM εξηγησατοG1834 V-ADI-3S

There are no originals. All are translations and copies of translations.

 

[Peterlag]

Can you cite any verse that the word "Bible" appear in the Bible just like what you want the "Trinity" to appear in the Bible.
That is what I mean.

Yes there are many places that mention scrolls and scripts.

 

[mikesw]

No that's not correct. It's not when a verse does not line up with unitarians. It's when the verse does not fit with the rest of the Bible.

that is a common response to something wrong with your belief system. Even scholars do this. When the verse does not fit their interpretation, they assume it was a late change to the text even when absolutely no evidence exists. That is the kind of faith distinct from spiritual faith.

 

[Selah]

it is pagan ptolemy ii's septuagint...
and later, the kjv directed by sorcerer john Dee, friend of james.

i never said esau wrote 'a book' .. how did you construe that?

esau is a type = pharisee...
like those who murdered Christ.

@e v e Below is where you say that Esau wrote a book.

Christ is God's son and our deity.

Unlike us, He did not go the mystery babylon = fall.

The gospel is a corrupt copy esau wrote. the kjv is a sorcery text.

^^ cliff notes.

s e l a h

 

[Selah]

where did i say i am not christian.

didnt find it.

In your post #1,720. —right here below where you say:

“He is certainly deity. a gorgeous being.

He is not our father...

it is baffling how modern christianity twists christ into the same being as His father, which is a pagan theology view.”

 

[Peterlag]

that is a common response to something wrong with your belief system. Even scholars do this. When the verse does not fit their interpretation, they assume it was a late change to the text even when absolutely no evidence exists. That is the kind of faith distinct from spiritual faith.