All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Runningman]

you want to debate on trinitarianism? good, 101G is in.

101G.

I think you could talk about your beliefs using only the words of the Bible because I have seen you do it before and I tried to trip you up a few times, but you not being a Trinitarian makes it a little easier to talk with you about things the Bible says. Do you think the trinity is stated or described in the Bible?

 

[mikesw]

So the Father is the one and only true God as the Bible says right? The Bible does say that.

you really cannot comprehend scripture. Who has ever said there are multiple gods? Ok. I should say that you are leaning toward saying Jesus is a separate eternal god.

 

[mikesw]

I think you could talk about your beliefs using only the words of the Bible because I have seen you do it before and I tried to trip you up a few times, but you not being a Trinitarian makes it a little easier to talk with you about things the Bible says. Do you think the trinity is stated or described in the Bible?

Pull out your unitarian pocket dictionary. That is the only set of words you can understand. It just keeps you blind to the truth.

That is cultish behavior when you try to control the language so that you do not have to think ideas properly. Maybe you can describe Quantum Mechanics using words solely in the Bible.

 

[mikesw]

I think you could talk about your beliefs using only the words of the Bible because I have seen you do it before and I tried to trip you up a few times, but you not being a Trinitarian makes it a little easier to talk with you about things the Bible says. Do you think the trinity is stated or described in the Bible?

You might as well have just asked Peterlag if he thinks the trinity is stated or described in the Bible. Also, that is a loaded question if meant to be answered only with phrases says "God is a Triune God" or "God exists in three persons." The debate however is not whether these phrases are given in this word sequence. The question is: does the scripture convey the divinity of Christ such that he is of the oneness of God? This shows how much the unitarians will distract from the issues so they can pretend that they make sense of scripture.

 

[Capbook]

The following is a direct quote from E. W. Bullinger who is considered to be one of the best Biblical Scholars in the last 300 years and he does not contradit himself...

I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To you, is "for all time" does not include "this time?"

 

[Capbook]

So the Father is the one and only true God as the Bible says right? The Bible does say that.

I believe you missed to notice this response, the same author of the book of John who wrote John 17:3 also quote Jesus as saying, He is the way, the truth and the life.
And in 1John 5:10-12, the Father had a testimony concerning His Son, that the eternal life is in His Son, and that if we do not believe the Father's testimony we make the Father a liar.
Do you believe that the Father's testimony just eight verses onward would expire?
Then who is the eternal life in 1John 5:20?
If you answer that question honestly, you'll just make the Father not a liar.(1John 5:11)

Joh 14:6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
1Jn 5:10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar , because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
1Jn 5:11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

 

[Peterlag]

To you, is "for all time" does not include "this time?"

Here's how E.W. Bullinger breaks it down...

The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.

The first is called the Paradise administration. It was the time of innocence, the time before the fall that ends with Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of the original paradise.

The second is the Patriarchal administration. It was the time after the fall from the Garden of Eden, but before the Law was given. This second administration ended with the coming of the Law to Moses.

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

The sixth begins with the appearing of Jesus Christ, and the gathering together of the saints. Believe it or not, this administration ends with Satan destroyed, and the great white throne judgment.

The seventh is the Glory or Paradise administration, which will not have an ending.

Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.

 

[101G]

In the Old Testament God is referred to as the redeemer because he sent the redeemer.

well God said his redeemer is the "LORD" all caps of host. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

well pete, mind explaining why the LORD'S redeemer is the LORD of host? .... looking for your reply.

101G

 

[101G]

I think you could talk about your beliefs using only the words of the Bible because I have seen you do it before and I tried to trip you up a few times, but you not being a Trinitarian makes it a little easier to talk with you about things the Bible says. Do you think the trinity is stated or described in the Bible?

thanks my brother. believe it or not, 101G do hear what you said, and honor you on some good points, and I thank God for you.
as for the trinity and it's doctrine.... one word NO. nor is it's concept is in the bible either.

stay bless, and be loved of God, my brother.

101G.

P.S. all of us are not too far from the truth, (a few point needs adjusting, ) but, it take "REASONING" out the word of God so that we "ALL" walk together in Peace and Love. this is my Goal.

Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

REASONING, and not arguing is the key to God children in understanding his holy WORD, amen.

 

[Runningman]

you really cannot comprehend scripture. Who has ever said there are multiple gods? Ok. I should say that you are leaning toward saying Jesus is a separate eternal god.

The demons were faster to confess Jesus is the son of God faster than you are to admit the Father is the only true God. You need prayer.

 

[Runningman]

Pull out your unitarian pocket dictionary. That is the only set of words you can understand. It just keeps you blind to the truth.

That is cultish behavior when you try to control the language so that you do not have to think ideas properly. Maybe you can describe Quantum Mechanics using words solely in the Bible.

I use the words of the Bible to discuss my beliefs, which is something you are powerless to do as a trinitarian. You people are the easiest to debate and defeat.

 

[Runningman]

You might as well have just asked Peterlag if he thinks the trinity is stated or described in the Bible. Also, that is a loaded question if meant to be answered only with phrases says "God is a Triune God" or "God exists in three persons." The debate however is not whether these phrases are given in this word sequence. The question is: does the scripture convey the divinity of Christ such that he is of the oneness of God? This shows how much the unitarians will distract from the issues so they can pretend that they make sense of scripture.

You must love to watch yourself talk. Get to business. Where is the trinity mentioned in the Bible?

 

[Peterlag]

well God said his redeemer is the "LORD" all caps of host. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

well pete, mind explaining why the LORD'S redeemer is the LORD of host? .... looking for your reply.

101G

I already told you it's the same God mentioned. Again, it's like me saying I am the king of Isaiah and the redeemer. Both God and Jesus are referred to as the saviour because God is the one who saved us and Jesus is the one He sent to do it.

 

[101G]

I already told you it's the same God mentioned. Again, it's like me saying I am the king of Isaiah and the redeemer. Both God and Jesus are referred to as the saviour because God is the one who saved us and Jesus is the one He sent to do it.

you have made a big blunder. to save is to REDEEM, only God can REDEEM. and in redemption of man must be by man. and since no man was found worthy to redeem God himself came in flesh and blood to redeem man, (which is his, God, Own Image), hence the scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

now you got to explain how the Lord Jesus was God in flesh, (God who only saves, because no man was worthy), and also explain how God died in our redemption..... remember you said, "Both God and Jesus are referred to as the saviour because God is the one who saved us and Jesus is the one He sent to do it.

101G will be waiting for your answer.

101G

 

[Peterlag]

you have made a big blunder. to save is to REDEEM, only God can REDEEM. and in redemption of man must be by man. and since no man was found worthy to redeem God himself came in flesh and blood to redeem man, (which is his, God, Own Image), hence the scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

now you got to explain how the Lord Jesus was God in flesh, (God who only saves, because no man was worthy), and also explain how God died in our redemption..... remember you said, "Both God and Jesus are referred to as the saviour because God is the one who saved us and Jesus is the one He sent to do it.

101G will be waiting for your answer.

101G

God could not redeem us. He's not qualified. It had to be a man like Adam.

 

[mikesw]

God could not redeem us. He's not qualified. It had to be a man like Adam.

that is perfect unitarian thought. With God this is impossible but by man all things are possible. Apart from pushing this idea to the extreme, while knowing what Peterlag's point actually is, there is no restriction from God in incarnation as a man doing this. The unitarian relies on the hyperliteralist reading while neglecting the scriptural message.

 

[Peterlag]

that is perfect unitarian thought. With God this is impossible but by man all things are possible. Apart from pushing this idea to the extreme, while knowing what Peterlag's point actually is, there is no restriction from God in incarnation as a man doing this. The unitarian relies on the hyperliteralist reading while neglecting the scriptural message.

Romans says a man (Adam) caused sin to enter into the world, and also that a man would have to redeem it from sin. Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” The Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).