All Claims of The Son's Deity

[mikesw]

There is nothing to deny as there is no deity there to begin with. Deal with what Scripture explicitly says, not with what you wish it says.

you just share a verse that does not make you point. why should I assume the hidden concept you wish to find there?
It is fulfillment of prophecy that is important for scripture consistency. That includes God being among the people and bringing forth judgment, as is shown in the hands of Jesus. But the gospel message does not need to point out Jesus as deity in the Godhead.
The gospel is shared with them purely in human terms, which is the choice in the preaching and is not to deny Jesus' divinity in the Godhead.
Also, if God further aids the divine Son in his humanity, that can be done even in recognition of Christ as God incarnate

 

[civic]

You're trying to control the conversation away from what I was already talking about. I saw your questions, but they are out of place.

no they reveal no human can possibly have those qualities.

 

[Peterlag]

 

[mikesw]

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you must have erased all the passages that speak of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. If you had a normal bible you would find all these. But we get a glimpse into the mind of the unitarian.

 

[Peterlag]

you must have erased all the passages that speak of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. If you had a normal bible you would find all these. But we get a glimpse into the mind of the unitarian.

All you have is basically bits and pieces of words and half verses along with your own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as you pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then you construct your "own God" which is the product of your own human thinking. Nothing more.

 

[mikesw]

All you have is basically bits and pieces of words and half verses along with your own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as you pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then you construct your "own God" which is the product of your own human thinking. Nothing more.

That would be far better that what the unitarians offer. So I will stick with what scripture reveals about the divine Son

 

[Keiw1]

so you see it natural that my brother was walking on water and spoke to calm the sea. No wonder you have such confusion when you read scripture.

Maybe its your confusion. You must have missed this fact-Acts 2:22-GOD did ALL the powerful works through Jesus.--thus-thru Elijah, Moses, etc. It was GOD(Jehovah) who gave Jesus the authority to do what he did.

 

[mikesw]

Maybe its your confusion. You must have missed this fact-Acts 2:22-GOD did ALL the powerful works through Jesus.--thus-thru Elijah, Moses, etc. It was GOD(Jehovah) who gave Jesus the authority to do what he did.

The gospel message is not focused on saying "follow Jesus because he is God." The message is to repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Avoid the judgment. Somehow you want to demand how Peter preaches. Peter preaches to their awareness that Jesus had been among them while incarnate before the crucifixion. Peter reasonably speaks to them attesting that Jesus was confirmed through miracles he did. Do you expect that the Father did not support Jesus in doing these?

In making your argument you have to deny the passages that are clearer about the divinity of Christ in the Godhead.

 

[Runningman]

no they reveal no human can possibly have those qualities.

But they do. The Bible explicitly calls humans like Jesus, Peter, and Elijah men and they all did similar kinds of miraculous works. This gives me a hint as to the problem with the trinitarian church and why all of your churches are barren of any spiritually gifted people; it's because you all deny that doing what Jesus did is something you can do too. No faith means no gifts.

As far as your questions go, there is no reason why that would overrule Jesus being a man who God empowered as the Bible explicitly states.

 

[Peterlag]

That would be far better that what the unitarians offer. So I will stick with what scripture reveals about the divine Son

The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

 

[mikesw]

The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

It is too bad that you categorize the knowledge of God as doctrines of demons. I do not think that will go well for you.
I am not willing to deny scripture like is done by the unitarians. You folks just deny, deny, deny when it comes to anything showing the divinity of Christ.

 

[Runningman]

It is too bad that you categorize the knowledge of God as doctrines of demons. I do not think that will go well for you.
I am not willing to deny scripture like is done by the unitarians. You folks just deny, deny, deny when it comes to anything showing the divinity of Christ.

God isn't a trinity though. Calling the trinity a doctrine of demons is accurate and supported by Scripture.

Wasn't the trinity created in the 4th century? Come on now, this is an easy one.

1 Timothy 4
1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

 

[mikesw]

God isn't a trinity though. Calling the trinity a doctrine of demons is accurate and supported by Scripture.

Wasn't the trinity created in the 4th century? Come on now, this is an easy one.

1 Timothy 4
1Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, 2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

You know what? I do not see Paul endorsing unitarianism here, as if he changed his mind about the divinity of Christ.

 

[Runningman]

You know what? I do not see Paul endorsing unitarianism here, as if he changed his mind about the divinity of Christ.

The trinity doctrine is a later development that came about in the 4th century. Paul aid "in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons..." the trinity doctrine came in later times, therefore the trinity doctrine is a teaching of demons. It's found no where in the Bible. Yeah, Scripture supports the trinity being a fraud.

 

[mikesw]

The trinity doctrine is a later development that came about in the 4th century. Paul aid "in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons..." the trinity doctrine came in later times, therefore the trinity doctrine is a teaching of demons. It's found no where in the Bible. Yeah, Scripture supports the trinity being a fraud.

Do I have to remind you again that the wording of the 4th century was due to heretics claiming in earlier confessions beliefs that were still heretical. The emphasis on detail was so that heretics could not keep claiming to adhere to orthodox beliefs.

 

[Runningman]

Do I have to remind you again that the wording of the 4th century was due to heretics claiming in earlier confessions beliefs that were still heretical. The emphasis on detail was so that heretics could not keep claiming to adhere to orthodox beliefs.

Need I remind you that "orthodox" trinitarianism was created in later times in the 4th century. Paul said that in later times " some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons..." That describes you. Doesn't describe Unitarians. We believe the Father is the only true God just as Jews and real Christians have for thousands of years.

 

[mikesw]

Need I remind you that "orthodox" trinitarianism was created in later times in the 4th century. Paul said that in later times " some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons..." That describes you. Doesn't describe Unitarians. We believe the Father is the only true God just as Jews and real Christians have for thousands of years.

orthodoxy always existed. The problem was with heretics that pretended to be orthodox because they could fit their ideas into the previous confessions even though they did not follow the spirit of those confessions.

You not only deny the Triune God, you also deny the earliest recognition of the divinity of Christ. You also deny the evidence shared in the Two Powers of Heaven, where Jews were trying to understand the separate ones called Yahweh, like in Moses' encounter with the burning bush. Too many denials makes it hard to trust anything you say.

 

[Runningman]

orthodoxy always existed. The problem was with heretics that pretended to be orthodox because they could fit their ideas into the previous confessions even though they did not follow the spirit of those confessions.

You not only deny the Triune God, you also deny the earliest recognition of the divinity of Christ. You also deny the evidence shared in the Two Powers of Heaven, where Jews were trying to understand the separate ones called Yahweh, like in Moses' encounter with the burning bush. Too many denials makes it hard to trust anything you say.

Orthodoxy is what the Bible says, which would make you the heretic because your doctrine was developed in the 4th century and doesn't state what the Bible says.

Scripture describes your trinity doctrine as basically something right out of hell.

 

[mikesw]

Orthodoxy is what the Bible says, which would make you the heretic because your doctrine was developed in the 4th century and doesn't state what the Bible says.

Scripture describes your trinity doctrine as basically something right out of hell.

Like I have noted before the Gnostic unitarian system has to deny all that happened to recognize the divinity of Christ before the 4th century. The unitarian approach is simply to deny, deny, deny. The Schoenheit beliefs fail in the face of history -- plus denying that anyone that came before them have failed in their recognition of Christ. That really demands a much better argument that you have provided.

 

[Runningman]

Like I have noted before the Gnostic unitarian system has to deny all that happened to recognize the divinity of Christ before the 4th century. The unitarian approach is simply to deny, deny, deny. The Schoenheit beliefs fail in the face of history -- plus denying that anyone that came before them have failed in their recognition of Christ. That really demands a much better argument that you have provided.

Christianity isn't gnostic as there is no mystery or secret that we lay claim to. We state that God has been revealed and explained (John 1:18) and is said to be the Father dozens of times.