you are claiming sudden gnostic concept of a non-divine Christ that pops up in the 21century. Go figure!!
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Runningman
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Jesus isn't God though. I am just going off what the Bible explicitly says. The Bible was not written in the 21st century. Maybe your playbook was but the Bible is much older than that. You're also confusing terms. Gnosticism is a later heresy, even older than trinitarianism. Trinitarianism is actually somewhat gnostic since one of the main teachings about the god in trinitarianism is that "the trinity is a mystery." So you all attempt to understand god using a mystery rather than Scripture. That explains why you all are so confused; you simply reject the truth.
Peterlag
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Again, it's not Scripture that the trinity comes from.
civic
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no they reveal He was God
FreeInChrist
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While you are trying to make your point... keep in mind
The Bible does explicitly teaches that we are to confess / declare / acknowledge that Jesus Christ is God / Lord / the divine Son — and it makes that confession a mark of true salvation and the work of the Holy Spirit.
We know this how?
Here are the clearest verses that command or describe this confession:
| Verse | Exact Words (major translations) | What It Requires |
|---|---|---|
| Romans 10:9 | “…if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” | Public confession “Jesus is Lord” (= Yahweh in the Greek OT) is part of the gospel that saves. |
| 1 Corinthians 12:3 | “…no one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.” | The Spirit-enabled confession that Jesus is Lord (i.e., Godi.s. the dividing line between true and false spirits. |
| Philippians 2:11 | “…every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” | Universal, final confession that Jesus is Lord (again, the divine name). |
| 1 John 4:2–3 | “Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God… every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.” | Confessing the incarnate Jesus (true God in human) is the test of truth. |
| 1 John 4:15 | “Whoeveronfesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” | Confession of Jesus as the Son of God (a divine title) = evidence of salvation. |
| John 20:28 + 31 | Thomas: “My Lord and my God!” … “these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God…” | The climax of John’s Gospel is to bring people to confess exactly what Thomas did. |
| 2 John 7 | “Many deceivers… do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” | Denying the incarnation = mark of antichrist. |
Bottom Line
The New Testament does not leave it optional or private. It commands and **expects every true believer to openly confess:
- “Jesus is Lord” (i.e., Jesus is Yahweh)
- “Jesus is the Son of God” (i.e., fully God)
- “Jesus Christ has come in the flesh” (i.e., God became man)
So yes — the Bible does teach us to confess that Jesus is God.
Indeed not!!! The Triune God existed and then scripture developed over time as people's encounters with God were recorded.
Runningman
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Thank you for finally confessing that the trinity is not scriptural.
So you are denying that God existed before scripture. I cannot be surprised by any goofy arguments made by unitarians. The problem is that their misconception of Christ also distorts their doctrines -- although some doctrines may remain orthodox since that is the starting point for many who call themselves Christians.
praise_yeshua
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civic
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I know it’s the same misrepresenting of us as the scriptures with the constant twisting our words and the Bible’s.
Runningman
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Peter said "it's not Scripture that the trinity comes from" and your immediate reply was "indeed not!" So you're agreeing with him.
Oh my. I missed his quote from the Book of Hesitations.
Jesus has a God-its you denying the fact that God does not have a God.
praise_yeshua
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No one ever said God had a God. That is your mistake.
You are a servant of Jesus Christ or you're not a servant of the Father.
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Your idea of "God" is far from the Truth. God serves others. He doesn't serve Himself.
YOU serve yourself.
If you want to deny half of scripture, you might almost make a point. You make it seem that Christians are claiming that Jesus denied existence of the Father.
Jesus has a God just like us-John 20:17--try believing him, all true followers do.
I didn't say any denied the existence of the Father. Proves you reason falsely.
That is the only thing that you logically could be contesting. Do you think people actually are thinking Jesus did not acknowledge God?
FreeInChrist
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AS I pointed out to you in another thread....
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
I even pointe out what the Watchtower said over there....
So, Jesus has a God.... and God has a son who is God.
All biblical
dwight92070
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Revelation 5:11-14 tells us that Jesus (the Lamb) is worshiped by every created thing, including "myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands of angels."
A myriad is 10,000. A myriad myriad's would be 100,000,000 angels. But myriads of myriads would be - untold billions of angels.
Then you add the billions of believers since the beginning of time, who are and will also worship Jesus.
And we're supposed to believe that He is only a man???
A myriad is 10,000. A myriad myriad's would be 100,000,000 angels. But myriads of myriads would be - untold billions of angels.
Then you add the billions of believers since the beginning of time, who are and will also worship Jesus.
And we're supposed to believe that He is only a man???
