All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Runningman]

oh my. How shocking that the understanding of God exceeds your vocabulary.

Try meeting the Bible where it is. Your betters never talked about God the way you do.

 

[Angelo]

All together now, and they all said "Jesus Is God". Can't touch this. That's the way it is. You ain't got The Real Jesus you ain't got Eternal Life. Do you really know Him?

 

[Blessed]

"Jesus Is God" aways has been always will be

 

[dwight92070]

Trinitarianism wasn't formalized until the 4th century. Jesus' church was formalized in the early 1st century. They didn't believe the same sort of things that you all do. There weren't any who could be possibly recognized as an "orthodox trinitarian" for the next several hundred years, as the early proto-trinitarians would be considered raging heretics by your standards today.

I see, so you were there, so you know that no one in the first century believed the things that we do. And you know that there weren't any in the first century who could be considered an orthodox trinitarian, either in that century, or for several hundred years after that. And you know that if there were, they would be considered raging heretics, "by our standards"? Actually, by our standards, the early proto-trinitarians would be considered closer to the truth than you are today. And I'm not sure why we would think that they would be "raging". Raging anger is more closely associated with anti-Trinitarians like yourself, not us.

It's amazing how much you know - or more properly, how much you make up, out of whole cloth. Since you were not there, you know NONE of the things that you claim to know above. But that is typical of heresy. Just make things up that sound authoritative, make your own history and your own facts, mock those who disagree, and move on to the next gullible sucker.

The majority believed that Jesus was subordinate to God, yet still God, which doesn't make sense and was a fast way to lose a public debate and destroy their credibility way back when.

Wow, I can't believe how much knowledge you have of the 1st century.

Trinitarianism arose over centuries of debates.

Really, and I thought they knew about it even during the time the gospels were written. Huh. How could I have been so wrong?

You all are still developing your religion in the modern day, which is why you guys are still defending your three headed god found no where in the Bible.

Here again, I thought Trinitarianism was a doctrine, not a religion. Not only that but I thought the doctrine was already fully developed. Huh. I'm sure you have historical data to support everything you say.

But for those of us who don't have all the historical knowledge that you do, why don't you just give us the source of your statements made above?

There is actually a movement to repackage and rebrand trinitarianism as a result. It still doesn't make much sense, but it's a step in the right direction.

Please give us the information that you have about trinitarianism being repackaged and rebranded.

 

[Blessed]

The trinity was there at creation... Let US (The Trinity) make man in OUR (The Trinity) image, after OUR (The Trinity) likeness.
Genesis 1:26

 

[amazing grace]

If Jesus is in us, then God is in us as He is God.

The belief that God and Jesus are in us is a central tenet of Christian faith. It is expressed in various Bible verses, such as Romans 8:10, which states, "Christ is in you," and Ephesians 3:17, which says, "So that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith." This concept is further supported by the apostle Paul's teachings, where he describes the indwelling of Christ as a great mystery, highlighting the hope of eternal glory for believers. The indwelling of Christ is not just a spiritual reality but also a transformative presence in the hearts of those who belong to Him, providing a foundation of hope, guidance, and intimate relationship with the Savior.

Yes, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself - 2 Cor. 5:19. God was IN Christ-------not God was Christ.

Yes, Christ in us, the hope of glory - Colossians 1:27. Therefore it's God in Christ in us . . .

We are also one with Jesus and the Father. . . . John 17.

The last part of your post didn't show up when I hit reply......so, I didn't get to respond to it.

 

[amazing grace]

Precious friend, incorrect As God's Precious Word Of Truth Teaches:

The Humility Within The GodHead!:

1) The Son Humbled Himself "To Be Sent By The Father" (John 14:26, 15:26 AV)

2) The Holy Spirit Doubly Humbled Himself to "To Be Sent By Both The Father And The SON!"

(John 14:26, 16:7, 13 AV) ​

Please Be Eternally Enriched By:

God's Amazing Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love!

Amen.

Sure. . . . .The Son, who is God humbled Himself to be sent by God the Father who is also God.

The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit, i.e. the Spirit of God. The 'helper', the 'Comforter' is just a way of personifying the gift God was sending through his exalted Son . . .Jesus referred to the holy spirit which would be IN them as 'rivers of living water':
Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’” Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. [John 7:38,39]
Jesus told his disciples to wait in Jerusalem for the promise of the Father:
And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” . . .[Acts 1:5]
Jesus baptized in holy spirit . . . Jesus poured out the gift on the day of Pentecost:
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. [Acts 2:33]

So the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the baptism with holy spirit is power from on high and that which with we are sealed [Eph. 1:13] ----not a third person of the Trinity.

 

[mikesw]

Yes, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself - 2 Cor. 5:19. God was IN Christ-------not God was Christ.

Indeed the fullness of God dwelt in Christ as the incarnate Son. The verse can be read three ways and is not conclusive for any specific viewpoint but would have to be read in light of broader scripture.

Yes, Christ in us, the hope of glory - Colossians 1:27. Therefore it's God in Christ in us . . .

That is fine eisegesis that does not match the passage. Also, if your twisting of the verse were true, you would not need Christ Jesus.

We are also one with Jesus and the Father. . . . John 17.

Per John 17 the disciples are not one with the Father. They are one with each other. The disciples could not be one with the Father because they are not also of the Godhead.