All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Affinity]

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18

John 1:18 - The Word Became Flesh

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known.

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[Runningman]

READ THIS

Matt 28:19
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

THEY WERE TOLD TO. YOU CANNOT READ.

And it doesn't say they are God. Can you read?

 

[Runningman]

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18

John 1:18 - The Word Became Flesh

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known.

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That doesn't say Jesus has visually seen God. It says Jesus made God known or explained Him.

So I will say thank you for replying, but this is more of an exercise in discovery for you all. Jesus nor anyone else ever said he had visually seen God.

 

[civic]

Citation needed. Where did Jesus say that no one except himself had seen the Father?

Read it I quoted Jesus from John 5 and 6


John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,

John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father

 

[Runningman]

Read it I quoted Jesus from John 5 and 6

Just for the record, so it's clear, Jesus didn't claim to have seen God differently than the others in John 14:7.

 

[mikesw]

Just for the record, so it's clear, Jesus didn't claim to have seen God differently than the others in John 14:7.

I guess you mean that Jesus saw himself and therefore saw God in himself just as the others saw the Father in Jesus.

 

[civic]

I guess you mean that Jesus saw himself and therefore saw God in himself just as the others saw the Father in Jesus.

Amazing the excuses, diversion and willful denying the plain and simple meaning of the text. It makes Jesus out to be a liar.

 

[Affinity]

That doesn't say Jesus has visually seen God. It says Jesus made God known or explained Him.

So I will say thank you for replying, but this is more of an exercise in discovery for you all. Jesus nor anyone else ever said he had visually seen God.

The discovery is finding out how deceived some people are.

 

[Runningman]

I guess you mean that Jesus saw himself and therefore saw God in himself just as the others saw the Father in Jesus.

You all claim Jesus is God and can't even find a verse that says Jesus has visually seen God. Amazing.

 

[Runningman]

The discovery is finding out how deceived some people are.

It's okay to be wrong and move on from it gracefully as it shows maturity and demonstrates you can be responsible for your errors. Blaming others for your failure to deliver isn't a good look.

 

[mikesw]

You all claim Jesus is God and can't even find a verse that says Jesus has visually seen God. Amazing.

Does God need eyes to see? Not sure what your point is.

 

[Runningman]

Does God need eyes to see? Not sure what your point is.

Then there is no evidence Jesus saw God a special way that someone was claiming.

 

[mikesw]

Then there is no evidence Jesus saw God a special way that someone was claiming.

you said Jesus saw God the same way they did. they saw the Father in Jesus. So Jesus looked at himself to see God. That is the logic created by your earlier point. You keep missing key verses to preserve your misunderstanding.

 

[Runningman]

you said Jesus saw God the same way they did. they saw the Father in Jesus. So Jesus looked at himself to see God. That is the logic created by your earlier point. You keep missing key verses to preserve your misunderstanding.

Seeing/knowing God refers to understanding God. Jesus sees and knows God like how the disciples do. Notice how Jesus is only ever primarily concerned with the Father. That's because there isn't a trinity. He only defines his God as the Father throughout the gospels. So why don't you?

John 14
7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

 

[mikesw]

Seeing/knowing God refers to understanding God. Jesus sees and knows God like how the disciples do. Notice how Jesus is only ever primarily concerned with the Father. That's because there isn't a trinity. He only defines his God as the Father throughout the gospels. So why don't you?

John 14
7If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”

Not sure how you come up with such unorthodox ideas. If the Father were seen through the gospel, the disciples would have known God before he said it. You really need to find a standard teacher rather than making up ideas.

It is generally easy to expose your errors. this time is no exception. The point i have been sharing is from John 14:9 (NASB95)
9Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

You just seem to be a partial-scripturalist. You just use scattered verses that you think make your argument.

 

[Peterlag]

Philippians... what did Jesus empty himself from?

What the Scriptures say he was... the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, thus, royal blood. He humbled himself from what he was and took on the role of a servant.

 

[mikesw]

Philippians... what did Jesus empty himself from?

What the Scriptures say he was... the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, thus, royal blood. He humbled himself from what he was and took on the role of a servant.

Right. He emptied himself of the glory he had with God before his incarnation. We were just looking at another passage like this.

 

[Peterlag]

Right. He emptied himself of the glory he had with God before his incarnation. We were just looking at another passage like this.

Can I have your verse that says Jesus emptied himself of the glory he had with God before his incarnation?

I can provide my verses upon request on Jesus being the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, thus, royal blood.

Philippians... what did Jesus empty himself from?

What the Scriptures say he was... the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, thus, royal blood. He humbled himself from what he was and took on the role of a servant.

 

[Runningman]

Not sure how you come up with such unorthodox ideas. If the Father were seen through the gospel, the disciples would have known God before he said it. You really need to find a standard teacher rather than making up ideas.

It is generally easy to expose your errors. this time is no exception. The point i have been sharing is from John 14:9 (NASB95)
9Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

You just seem to be a partial-scripturalist. You just use scattered verses that you think make your argument.

Just Biblical ideas. Don't care about what is "orthodox" in your organization. In Christianity, what Jesus said is the standard so that's what I go by.

 

[Runningman]

Right. He emptied himself of the glory he had with God before his incarnation. We were just looking at another passage like this.

That is not mentioned at all in Philippians 2 or anywhere else in the Bible. You are at odds with Scripture as usual.