Runningman
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That's exactly what I believe too.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Peterlag
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What do we disagree on?
Runningman
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I'm not sure, but maybe we disagree about nothing.
Peterlag
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Such an important subject matter like the Trinity and the Bible is silent on all of it...
It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.
If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught.
There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the Trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the Trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. There's reasons why there's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.
If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught.
There's reasons why the Bible does not teach the Trinity in one whole paragraph in a few different places or a whole chapter or two on it. There's reasons why there's no teaching on why God would come to the earth as a man. There's reasons why there was never a debate about the Trinity in Scripture like we see with justification by works or who should be circumcised. There's reasons why there's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
Runningman
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God, Jesus, the prophets, and apostles didn't talk about Trinitarianism for the same reason they didn't talk about Mormonism, Islam, or whatever else people believe in nowadays. For one, those religions didn't exist in the first century and it would have been irrelevant. It would also be confusing and distracting from their goals. Yes, they did warn of destructive heresies, but didn't spend much time explaining many details about them, and for good reason. They mainly just wanted to build up the faith and help believers be strong in what they received.
We're in a completely different ball game in the modern day. We're now basically trying to undo the deception trinitarians have spread all over the globe. Imagine trying to help people who have it in their heart and mind that they are followers of Jesus to understand they don't believe mostly anything he says. So you show them what the Bible says and they flat-out reject it. It takes a lot of patience and persistence because progress can be slow. The truth will attract those with a humble heart and be a stumbling block to those skilled at lawyering their way out of everything using philosophy.
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Yes, when the Father testified about Jesus in His baptism.
Joh 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He has testified about Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
They are, if you believe what Jesus said in John 5:37.
Then whose voice was that in Exodus 3:14? Same "I am" in John 8:58.
Jesus is the Word, revealed Himself to Samuel.
1Sa 3:21 And the LORD appeared again at Shiloh, because the LORD revealed Himself to Samuel at Shiloh by the word of the LORD.
