All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Victoria]

God the Father is calling God the Son God

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." Hebrews 1:8-9

Back in Genesis... God referring to Himself in the plural? Why... it's the Godhead!

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26

 

[mikesw]

I could write a book just on these 4 verses...

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

John 5:21, 23, 26
For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Maybe you should try to develop some decent arguments for your view before writing a book using illogical, failed arguments. Learn to walk before you get on a tight rope. Or not.

 

[Victoria]

@101G

As Jesus Christ once told Thomas, & be not faithless, but believing!

"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:27-28

 

[mikesw]

@101G

As Jesus Christ once told Thomas, & be not faithless, but believing!

"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." John 20:27-28

That point just goes way over their heads. It is too direct I guess.

 

[Victoria]

That point just goes way over their heads. It is too direct I guess.

Do I have to play referee between you guys?

::ding, ding, ding:::

Okay, break apart... BREAK apart!

 

[Peterlag]

Maybe you should try to develop some decent arguments for your view before writing a book using illogical, failed arguments. Learn to walk before you get on a tight rope. Or not.

Hows this...

Nowhere did Jesus ever say:

I am YHWH.
I am the one who appeared to Moses.
You must worship me as God.
Instead, Jesus always made a clear distinction between himself and God:

• • John 5:37 – You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.
  • John 17:3 – This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
  • John 20:17 – I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
  • Acts 3:13 – The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.

Who Was Seen in the Old Testament Then?​

In the Old Testament, the one who appeared and spoke for YHWH was often called:

• • The Angel of the LORD (מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה – Malakh YHWH).
    This messenger spoke in YHWH’s name, used YHWH’s authority, and sometimes was even called “God” because he represented God perfectly.

Examples:

• • Exodus 3:2–6 – The Angel of the LORD” appears in the burning bush, yet speaks as God: “I am the God of your father.
  • Exodus 23:20–22 – God says, My Angel will go before you… My Name is in him.

This “messenger” or “agent” (in Hebrew, shaliach) acts on behalf of YHWH, not as YHWH Himself.
This fits perfectly with the New Testament picture of Jesus as:

The one sent by God.
The Word.
The image of the invisible God.
Jesus is the divine representative of YHWH, not YHWH Himself.

Why Many Christians Misunderstand...​

After Jesus and the apostles died, early Greek theologians (like Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Athanasius) tried to explain Jesus’ divinity using Greek philosophy, not Hebrew thought.
They merged:

• • The Word of God (Logos) from John 1
    with
  • Greek ideas about divine “substance” and “essence.”

This led to the idea that Jesus was not only sent by YHWH but was YHWH in human form — a belief the early Christians never taught.

 

[Victoria]

Why Many Christians Misunderstand...​

After Jesus and the apostles died, early Greek theologians (like Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Athanasius) tried to explain Jesus’ divinity using Greek philosophy, not Hebrew thought.
They merged:

• • The Word of God (Logos) from John 1
    with
  • Greek ideas about divine “substance” and “essence.”

This led to the idea that Jesus was not only sent by YHWH but was YHWH in human form — a belief the early Christians never taught.

I'd forget about what Greek theologians/philosophers from the past said.
Just believe what God Himself said in the scriptures.

First off, do you believe we don't have the inspired, preserved, infallible Word of God like the Textual Critics believe?

 

[mikesw]

Hows this...

Nowhere did Jesus ever say:

I am YHWH.
I am the one who appeared to Moses.
You must worship me as God.

At least you realize Jesus did not say that of you

Instead, Jesus always made a clear distinction between himself and God:

• • John 5:37 – You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.
  • John 17:3 – This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
  • John 20:17 – I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
  • Acts 3:13 – The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.

​

Jesus would have been crucified the first time he explicitly said "I am God." Instead, he spoke more in an indirect sense. And your are right. Jesus did not have a different God. He had the same God as known in Israel. He is sent from heaven to be among the people. And I'm not sure why the Father would not glorify the Son. But some reason that confuses you?

Who Was Seen in the Old Testament Then?
In the Old Testament, the one who appeared and spoke for YHWH was often called:

• • The Angel of the LORD (מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה – Malakh YHWH).
    This messenger spoke in YHWH’s name, used YHWH’s authority, and sometimes was even called “God” because he represented God perfectly.

Examples:

• • Exodus 3:2–6 – The Angel of the LORD” appears in the burning bush, yet speaks as God: “I am the God of your father.
  • Exodus 23:20–22 – God says, My Angel will go before you… My Name is in him.

This “messenger” or “agent” (in Hebrew, shaliach) acts on behalf of YHWH, not as YHWH Himself.

It is reminded that the words of the Angel of the LORD were spoken by Yahweh. Ex 3:4-5
4 When the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the bush, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then he said, “Do not come near; take your sandals off your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.”

Sure, it can be hard to remember that detail.

This fits perfectly with the New Testament picture of Jesus as:

The one sent by God.
The Word.
The image of the invisible God.
Jesus is the divine representative of YHWH, not YHWH Himself.

Wow. You almost say the right words at first. Jesus is sent from God. Jesus is the Word. Therefore Jesus is the image of the invisible God. You get 50% credit for pointing out those details

Why Many Christians Misunderstand...​

After Jesus and the apostles died, early Greek theologians (like Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Athanasius) tried to explain Jesus’ divinity using Greek philosophy, not Hebrew thought.
They merged:

• • The Word of God (Logos) from John 1
    with
  • Greek ideas about divine “substance” and “essence.”

This led to the idea that Jesus was not only sent by YHWH but was YHWH in human form — a belief the early Christians never taught.

Sure. You have some errors in representing Jesus. He is not quite Yahweh in human form. That is one of the many heresies beyond just the unitarian one. Jesus is human. He also is God. Say that three times. The problem with unitarians is they only have limited vocabulary and cannot discuss at all who Christ Jesus is.

 

[Victoria]

Why Many Christians Misunderstand...​

After Jesus and the apostles died, early Greek theologians (like Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Athanasius) tried to explain Jesus’ divinity using Greek philosophy, not Hebrew thought.

"As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." Colossians 2:6-9

 

[Victoria]

Philosophy & vain deceit stems from the gnostic's, & philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt.

 

[Victoria]

@mikesw @Peterlag

As God said in 1 Timothy 2:3-4... come unto the knowledge of the truth!

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/about-this-new-section.2249/#post-203323

 

[Capbook]

Can someone have that life outside Jesus?
Yes Jesus can have that life.

Now, Who is the eternal life in 1John 5:20.
Jesus and God...
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Why Arians cannot honestly answer the question?
Is it hard to face the truth? Again;
1. Jesus said "I am the life." (John 14:6)
2. The Father's testimony, "that eternal life is in His Son."(1John 5:11)
3. Do the Father's testimony expire 9 verses onward?
4. If no, then Who is the eternal life in 1John 5:20? (Can we stick to this verse being mentioned)