A super important teaching from Jesus

[TomL]

You cant understand bible truth. There is 0 sense in explaining it to you, it just makes you stand in opposition. All things done by a true servant is for Jehovahs name and will. That is what it meant.
Just like when David faced down Goliath-- He stated-You come with sword, shield and Javelin, i come in the name of Jehovah.

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Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen



Mark shows us the messenger is John the Baptist and he prepares the way for Jesus who according to the reference must be Jehovah our God

 

[Keiw1]

Yet your religion teaches he was Michael the archangel when scripture teaches angels (created beings) are like Jehovah

Psa 89:5 And the heavens will laud your marvelous act, O Jehovah, Yes, your faithfulness in the congregation of the holy ones.

Psa 89:6 For who in the skies can be compared to Jehovah? Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God?

Psa 89:7 God is to be held in awe among the intimate group of holy ones; He is grand and fear-inspiring over all who are round about him.

Psa 89:8 O Jehovah God of armies, Who is vigorous like you, O Jah? And your faithfulness is all around you.

Yes made in his image= the ability to love and reason.
Jesus is Michael.

 

[Keiw1]

Simply Amazing.... How is it possible that so many can actually twist a sentence to their liking, rather then strive to understand what they are reading.

@Keiw1 replied to my quote ( yet again ) I and the father are one with "One in purpose. Jesus only did his Fathers will,"

Fact: Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" to assert His deity and His mission as the Good Shepherd. He used Psalm 82:6 to prove His title as God's Son and His preexistence as God's sent one.

The copy and paste invoking the likes of Noah et al is nothing more then blatherskite (look it up) and has zero to do with why Jesus said that.

"How did we get to this point of life and death? It started off with a simple walk in the temple during the Festival of Dedication. Jesus was making His way through Solomon’s Colonnade. Other worshipers gathered around Jesus and began asking Him questions. They wanted Him to tell them outright if He was the Messiah.

I love His response. Jesus says, “I did tell you, but you do not believe” (John 10:25). He follows this up with more talk about sheep. In the first half of John 10, we find Jesus explaining that He is the Good Shepherd who lays down His life for His sheep. His sheep know His voice and He knows His sheep. He talks about willingly laying down His life for them, something that would happen when He died on the cross. His sheep are the people who will believe in Him and follow Him. The Pharisees did not understand this and they called Him a mad man.

So when Jesus starts talking about sheep again, it’s not out of the blue. He’s picking up where He left off and further making His point. He says that He gives His sheep eternal life and that no one can take them from Him. He ends with a clear and bold statement. “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). "

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Why are you people afraid of the truth? Inquiring minds want to know.........................

What diety???John 20:17, Rev 3:12, Psalm 45:7--1Pet 1:3, 1 Cor 15:24-28, Eph 1:3,17-- Col 1:3-- 2Cor 1:3= the Father is Jesus' God-fact= God does not have a God.--Paul is 100% clear-1Cor 8:6--There is ONE GOD to (all( including Jesus) the Father( not Father, son and holy spirit)

 

[Keiw1]

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Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen



Mark shows us the messenger is John the Baptist and he prepares the way for Jesus who according to the reference must be Jehovah our God

Yes prepared the way for Jesus= the one who lived to do his Fathers will, taught only only what the Father commanded him to teach. Its all about the Father to Jesus, did you listen to him in the Lords prayer? thus its all Jehovah that its really all about--Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness.
You don't listen to Jesus neither does any religion using the altered translations.

 

[TomL]

Yes prepared the way for Jesus= the one who lived to do his Fathers will, taught only only what the Father commanded him to teach. Its all about the Father to Jesus, did you listen to him in the Lords prayer? thus its all Jehovah that its really all about--Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness.
You don't listen to Jesus neither does any religion using the altered translations.

And according to the Old Testament the way was being prepared for Jehovah

Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen

 

[TomL]

Yes made in his image= the ability to love and reason.
Jesus is Michael.

Psa 89 refutes the idea any created angel is like jehovah



Psa 89:5 And the heavens will laud your marvelous act, O Jehovah, Yes, your faithfulness in the congregation of the holy ones.

Psa 89:6 For who in the skies can be compared to Jehovah? Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God?

Psa 89:7 God is to be held in awe among the intimate group of holy ones; He is grand and fear-inspiring over all who are round about him.

Psa 89:8 O Jehovah God of armies, Who is vigorous like you, O Jah? And your faithfulness is all around you.

yet Hebrews states in your own translation

(NWT)Heb 1:3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places

He is the exact representation of his very being

Nothing there about just being able to love and reason

Your own scriptures refute you

 

[MTMattie]

Yes prepared the way for Jesus= the one who lived to do his Fathers will, taught only only what the Father commanded him to teach. Its all about the Father to Jesus, did you listen to him in the Lords prayer? thus its all Jehovah that its really all about--Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( Jehovah) righteousness.
You don't listen to Jesus neither does any religion using the altered translations.

Answer this please.

How was Jesus conceived.

I assume you acknowledge Mary was his birth mother?

 

[MTMattie]

Yes made in his image= the ability to love and reason.
Jesus is Michael.

Michael was the Word?????????????????

 

[Keiw1]

And according to the Old Testament the way was being prepared for Jehovah

Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen

Yes, Jehovah did it all through Jesus, that is how. Acts 2:22--God(Jehovah) did all the powerful works -THROUGH- Jesus. Jesus only did Gods( John 5:30) will, and taught only what Jehovah commanded him to( John 12:49) teach. Its all about Jehovah=the name you are mislead to stand in opposition to. Jehovah came in a sense through Jesus. The Lords prayer= Its all about the Father( his name, his will and his kingdom) to Jesus and all concerned as well.
Acts 10:38--God was with Jesus.

 

[Keiw1]

Answer this please.

How was Jesus conceived.

I assume you acknowledge Mary was his birth mother?

Yes Mary was Jesus' mother. God sent the holy spirit to her. Not to have sex, but to instill Jesus into her.

 

[Keiw1]

Michael was the Word?????????????????

Upon Jesus return he comes with the voice of the archangel( 1 Thess 4:16)--that occurs here-Rev 6:2= The trumpet of God announces the ride of the white horse( righteous war)= the war in heaven( Michael took that ride) yet he receives his crown(birth of Gods kingdom in heaven)only Jesus is getting the crown. (Rev 12 explains both events) that ride does not stop until Rev 21:1 when all is made back to perfection and Gods kingdom rule controls 100% of all creation. Jesus is pictured on that white horse at Rev 19:11( Gods day of anger) its the continuation of the Rev 6:2 ride.
Daniel 12:1--Michael stands up for Gods chosen in these last days)= as Gods appointed king.
At Rev 21:1 this occurs-1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)))= forever.
Jesus is Michael, God sent his best.

 

[TomL]

Yes, Jehovah did it all through Jesus, that is how. Acts 2:22--God(Jehovah) did all the powerful works -THROUGH- Jesus. Jesus only did Gods( John 5:30) will, and taught only what Jehovah commanded him to( John 12:49) teach. Its all about Jehovah=the name you are mislead to stand in opposition to. Jehovah came in a sense through Jesus. The Lords prayer= Its all about the Father( his name, his will and his kingdom) to Jesus and all concerned as well.
Acts 10:38--God was with Jesus.

Dodging the point

And according to the Old Testament the way was being prepared for Jehovah

Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen


Jesus is that Jehovah which is seen

 

[MTMattie]

Yes Mary was Jesus' mother. God sent the holy spirit to her. Not to have sex, but to instill Jesus into her.

Stop and think.

As a non-Trin can you not see or understand if your beliefs are so.... and IF THE HOLY SPIRIT is not God (one of 3 in the God head)
t6hen the Holy Father cannot be the Holy Father. Because the spirit would be used to instill Jesus into her. and we have no way to know where this Jesus came from.

I prefer the way it is said in my bible “The Holy Spirit will come upon you,..........................

Just give this some thought, because if the Holy Spirit is the 3rd in the God head...then as my verse continues " and the power of the Most High will overshadow you;........................... is an absolute fit.

 

[MTMattie]

Upon Jesus return he comes with the voice of the archangel( 1 Thess 4:16)--that occurs here-Rev 6:2= The trumpet of God announces the ride of the white horse( righteous war)= the war in heaven( Michael took that ride) yet he receives his crown(birth of Gods kingdom in heaven)only Jesus is getting the crown. (Rev 12 explains both events) that ride does not stop until Rev 21:1 when all is made back to perfection and Gods kingdom rule controls 100% of all creation. Jesus is pictured on that white horse at Rev 19:11( Gods day of anger) its the continuation of the Rev 6:2 ride.
Daniel 12:1--Michael stands up for Gods chosen in these last days)= as Gods appointed king.
At Rev 21:1 this occurs-1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)))= forever.
Jesus is Michael, God sent his best.

So Mary actually gave birth to Moichael and it was Michael on the cross.

Yes................... I see that

Think you might enjoy reading the Book of Enoch and what he wrote about all the arch angels when he did.... Michal included.

 

[MTMattie]

So Mary actually gave birth to Moichael and it was Michael on the cross.

Yes................... I see that View attachment 988

Think you might enjoy reading the Book of Enoch and what he wrote about all the arch angels when he did.... Michal included.

 

[TomL]

Upon Jesus return he comes with the voice of the archangel( 1 Thess 4:16)--that occurs here-Rev 6:2= The trumpet of God announces the ride of the white horse( righteous war)= the war in heaven( Michael took that ride) yet he receives his crown(birth of Gods kingdom in heaven)only Jesus is getting the crown. (Rev 12 explains both events) that ride does not stop until Rev 21:1 when all is made back to perfection and Gods kingdom rule controls 100% of all creation. Jesus is pictured on that white horse at Rev 19:11( Gods day of anger) its the continuation of the Rev 6:2 ride.
Daniel 12:1--Michael stands up for Gods chosen in these last days)= as Gods appointed king.
At Rev 21:1 this occurs-1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)))= forever.
Jesus is Michael, God sent his best.

Michael is but one of the Chief angels.
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Jesus is not Michael he is Jehovah.

 

[MTMattie]

Michael is but one of the Chief angels.
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Jesus is not Michael he is Jehovah.

And according to the Early parts of the Book(s) of Enoch they had their assignments....

Just for a little info.... Anything in blue are my comments

Enoch's Angels

At some point in Jewish history, texts began referring to angels with specific names like Gabriel or Michael, and that trend reflects a basic shift in

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Enoch’s Angels​

Last updated on: October 19, 2014 at 3:08 pm
October 20, 2014 by Philip Jenkins



At some point in Jewish history, texts began referring to angels with specific names like Gabriel or Michael, and that trend reflects a basic shift in concepts of the supernatural hierarchy. That shift is significant itself in terms of the history of Western religion, but it particularly matters for anyone interested in early (or medieval) Christianity.

One influential witness to angel lore is the Book of Enoch, which in the form we have it is a combination of at least five separate works, dating from different eras. The heaviest concentration of angelic characters comes from the early section of 1 Enoch called the Book of the Watchers, which describes how fallen angels mated with human women, and produced the monstrous Nephilim (The story was recently recycled in the film Noah). This portion certainly predates the late second century BC. It probably dates from the third century, but conceivably might have been written in the fourth.
I am here using the 1917 R. H. Charles translation. For a recent scholarly version, see Miryam T. Brand, “1 Enoch,” in Louis H. Feldman, James L. Kugel and Lawrence H. Schiffman, eds., Outside the Bible (Philadelphia: Jewish Publication Society, 2013), vol ii, 1359-1452. Brand, incidentally, points out that the original Genesis text concerning Enoch referred to him in the context of ha-elohim, which today is translated “God.” (my note:

(What is the exact meaning of "ha Elohim" in Genesis 22:1?​

Therefore, according to these Israeli Orthodox Jews "ha Elohim" in Genesis 22: 1 should be translated as "the authority"; according to one of these users, this authority should be identified with Shem ben Noach, who he claims to coincide with the figure of Melchizedek.)


For a Second Temple reader, though, it implied “angels.”

Reading 1 Enoch, we immediately seem to be in a world that is quite recognizable from early Christianity, not least in the searing vision of a Day of Judgment with which the work opens. And it is the Parables of Enoch above all that show the term Son of Man being used in a Messianic sense. Also familiar from early Christian literature is the concept of a holy man – Enoch – reporting on his travels through the supernatural heavenly world.

It is in the Book of the Watchers that we encounter several angelic names, grouped in a familiar pattern. We read about the sinful world before the Flood. “And then Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel looked down from heaven and saw much blood being shed upon the earth, and all lawlessness being wrought upon the earth” (9.1-3. Brand’s translation gives Michael, Gabriel, Suriel and Uriel). Not only do we find the good angels or archangels here, but they are specifically complaining to God about the havoc being wrought by their evil counterparts, fallen angels like Azazel and Semjaza/Shemihaza.

God responds by assigning each key angel a mission (Ch. 10):
Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: ‘Go to Noah and tell him in my name “Hide thyself!” …
And again the Lord said to Raphael: ‘Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness”…
And to Gabriel said the Lord: ‘Proceed against the bastards and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication”…
And the Lord said unto Michael: ‘Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness.”
1 Enoch 20 names the heavenly cast of characters:
And these are the names of the holy angels who watch:
Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus;
Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men;
Raguel, one of the holy angels who takes vengeance on the world of the luminaries;
Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind and over chaos;
Saraqael, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit;
Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.

In a later section of the book, the Parables of Enoch (71.7-8), we see a vision of heaven:
And round about were Seraphim, Cherubim, and Ophannim: And these are they who sleep not and guard the throne of His glory. And I saw angels who could not be counted, a thousand thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand, encircling that house. And Michael, and Raphael, and Gabriel, and Phanuel, and the holy angels who are above the heavens go in and out of that house.

1 Enoch was very widely read, and regarded as authoritative. The New Testament Epistle of Jude cites it as canonical scripture, and many early Christian Fathers regarded Enoch as a great prophet. Jude, incidentally, is also among the earliest Christian texts to give a name to an archangel, that is, Michael (v.9), and this in the context of a contest with the Devil.
1 Enoch was also highly regarded by the community that produced the Dead Sea Scrolls during the second and first centuries BC. In those Scrolls, we find sections of four of the five sections of 1 Enoch, including the Book of the Watchers. Although much about the Dead Sea community remains uncertain, a foundation date in the mid-second century BC is most likely.
As I will describe in my next post, the Dead Sea community was fascinated by angels, to the point that they represented a central part of their world-view. The view of angels and demons that we find in those texts resonates closely with what we know of early Christianity.

As @TomL said.... Jesus is not Michael he is Jehovah.

 

[TomL]

And according to the Early parts of the Book(s) of Enoch they had their assignments....

Just for a little info.... Anything in blue are my comments

Enoch's Angels

At some point in Jewish history, texts began referring to angels with specific names like Gabriel or Michael, and that trend reflects a basic shift in

www.patheos.com

As @TomL said.... Jesus is not Michael he is Jehovah.

Yes Jesus is Jehovah

 

[civic]

It was a prayer to his FATHER-100% correct, Jesus calls the Father= the one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

And John calls Christ the True God.

next.........

 

[Keiw1]

Dodging the point

And according to the Old Testament the way was being prepared for Jehovah

Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen


Jesus is that Jehovah which is seen

Not dodging the point-Showing you 100% bible reality. Your religions are darkness and twist everything.