A super important teaching from Jesus

[TomL]

Jesus disagrees--John 17:3--where in a prayer to his Father=the one who sent Jesus, Jesus calls the Father-THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

No he does not

He does not say the father alone is the only true god

John 10:25–30 (KJV 1900) — 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

The sheep of Jehovah are the sheep of Christ. Christ like the father gives life. No man can pluck them out of his hand or the hand of the Father

They are one

 

[civic]

That is because those who deny the Deity of Christ ARE a cult.
To split the hair between the righteousness of the Father and the Son is folly ...
John 14:8-9 [NASB] Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and [yet] you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how [can] you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Yes the Father/Son are inseparable but some like to make Them a disunity. They are One- There is perfect harmony/unity within the Godhead.

 

[MTMattie]

No he does not

He does not say the father alone is the only true god

John 10:25–30 (KJV 1900) — 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

The sheep of Jehovah are the sheep of Christ. Christ like the father gives life. No man can pluck them out of his hand or the hand of the Father

They are one

Enlarged in case anyone misses it.

30 I and my Father are one.

 

[civic]

Enlarged in case anyone misses it.

30 I and my Father are one.

They deny that and at the same time say God is one.

a contradiction

 

[TomL]

Enlarged in case anyone misses it.

30 I and my Father are one.

Yep

 

[Keiw1]

No he does not

He does not say the father alone is the only true god

John 10:25–30 (KJV 1900) — 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.

The sheep of Jehovah are the sheep of Christ. Christ like the father gives life. No man can pluck them out of his hand or the hand of the Father

They are one

It was a prayer to his FATHER-100% correct, Jesus calls the Father= the one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

 

[TomL]

It was a prayer to his FATHER-100% correct, Jesus calls the Father= the one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

Once again how he does not say the father alone is the one true God

You are assuming that begging the question

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Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen



Mark shows us the messenger is John the Baptist and he prepares the way for Jesus who according to the reference must be Jehovah our God

 

[MTMattie]

It was a prayer to his FATHER-100% correct, Jesus calls the Father= the one who sent him= THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

What does John 10:30 mean..... “I and the Father are one.”

 

[TomL]

What does John 10:30 mean..... “I and the Father are one.”

Within the context

John 10:27–33 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

 

[MTMattie]

Within the context

John 10:27–33 (KJV 1900) — 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Yes, Thanks again for posting that.

Sure is clear that Jesus and the Father are one.

@Keiw1 , what say you?

 

[Keiw1]

Once again how he does not say the father alone is the one true God

You are assuming that begging the question

in

Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen



Mark shows us the messenger is John the Baptist and he prepares the way for Jesus who according to the reference must be Jehovah our God

Jesus did Jehovah's will, only taught what Jehovah told him to teach. Jehovah commanded Jesus. So in that sense it was all Jehovah Jesus showed to all. Gods image.

 

[Keiw1]

What does John 10:30 mean..... “I and the Father are one.”

One in purpose. Jesus only did his Fathers will, only taught what the Father commanded him to teach--(Jesus is Gods image. Few understand that reality--He was by Gods side during Noah's flood giving 100% support for his Fathers will. And at Rev 19:11 when he leads Gods armies to earth( Gods day of anger) he will show the world the war side of his Father-war of righteousness vs everything wicked on this earth. While on Earth Jesus showed Gods loving, merciful side, but God is a God of righteousness and justice as well. Jesus compared these last days ( Luke 17:26)to Noah's day( 99.9% mislead and destroyed)-- today 99% minimum--The results=Dan 2:44-Rev 19--At Rev 16 it teaches-EVERY kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead by 3 inspired expressions to stand opposition to Jesus at Rev 19:11--I believe those 3 inspired expressions will hit mortals in their hearts like 3-9/11,s and they will unite and stand up for patriotism.

 

[Keiw1]

Yes, Thanks again for posting that.

Sure is clear that Jesus and the Father are one.

@Keiw1 , what say you?

Apostates who taught Jesus got his power from the leader of the Demons( said he made himself out to be God, out of their hearts filled with hatred. Jesus told them-your father is the devil. So do you think they said truth about that point? They NEVER said a truth about Jesus. Not wise to listen to apostate words.

 

[TomL]

Jesus did Jehovah's will, only taught what Jehovah told him to teach. Jehovah commanded Jesus. So in that sense it was all Jehovah Jesus showed to all. Gods image.

You did not directly address the argument

in

Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen



Mark shows us the messenger is John the Baptist and he prepares the way for Jesus who according to the reference must be Jehovah our God

 

[TomL]

Yes, Thanks again for posting that.

Sure is clear that Jesus and the Father are one.

@Keiw1 , what say you?

Clearly the Jews who knew their religion better than any Jehovah Witness or Unitarian understood Jesus to be claiming to be God

 

[MTMattie]

One in purpose. Jesus only did his Fathers will, only taught what the Father commanded him to teach--(Jesus is Gods image. Few understand that reality--He was by Gods side during Noah's flood giving 100% support for his Fathers will. And at Rev 19:11 when he leads Gods armies to earth( Gods day of anger) he will show the world the war side of his Father-war of righteousness vs everything wicked on this earth. While on Earth Jesus showed Gods loving, merciful side, but God is a God of righteousness and justice as well. Jesus compared these last days ( Luke 17:26)to Noah's day( 99.9% mislead and destroyed)-- today 99% minimum--The results=Dan 2:44-Rev 19--At Rev 16 it teaches-EVERY kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead by 3 inspired expressions to stand opposition to Jesus at Rev 19:11--I believe those 3 inspired expressions will hit mortals in their hearts like 3-9/11,s and they will unite and stand up for patriotism.

 

[TomL]

One in purpose. Jesus only did his Fathers will, only taught what the Father commanded him to teach--(Jesus is Gods image. Few understand that reality--He was by Gods side during Noah's flood giving 100% support for his Fathers will. And at Rev 19:11 when he leads Gods armies to earth( Gods day of anger) he will show the world the war side of his Father-war of righteousness vs everything wicked on this earth. While on Earth Jesus showed Gods loving, merciful side, but God is a God of righteousness and justice as well. Jesus compared these last days ( Luke 17:26)to Noah's day( 99.9% mislead and destroyed)-- today 99% minimum--The results=Dan 2:44-Rev 19--At Rev 16 it teaches-EVERY kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) will be mislead by 3 inspired expressions to stand opposition to Jesus at Rev 19:11--I believe those 3 inspired expressions will hit mortals in their hearts like 3-9/11,s and they will unite and stand up for patriotism.

Yet your religion teaches he was Michael the archangel when scripture teaches angels (created beings) are like Jehovah

Psa 89:5 And the heavens will laud your marvelous act, O Jehovah, Yes, your faithfulness in the congregation of the holy ones.

Psa 89:6 For who in the skies can be compared to Jehovah? Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God?

Psa 89:7 God is to be held in awe among the intimate group of holy ones; He is grand and fear-inspiring over all who are round about him.

Psa 89:8 O Jehovah God of armies, Who is vigorous like you, O Jah? And your faithfulness is all around you.

 

[MTMattie]

Simply Amazing.... How is it possible that so many can actually twist a sentence to their liking, rather then strive to understand what they are reading.

@Keiw1 replied to my quote ( yet again ) I and the father are one with "One in purpose. Jesus only did his Fathers will,"

Fact: Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" to assert His deity and His mission as the Good Shepherd. He used Psalm 82:6 to prove His title as God's Son and His preexistence as God's sent one.

The copy and paste invoking the likes of Noah et al is nothing more then blatherskite (look it up) and has zero to do with why Jesus said that.

"How did we get to this point of life and death? It started off with a simple walk in the temple during the Festival of Dedication. Jesus was making His way through Solomon’s Colonnade. Other worshipers gathered around Jesus and began asking Him questions. They wanted Him to tell them outright if He was the Messiah.

I love His response. Jesus says, “I did tell you, but you do not believe” (John 10:25). He follows this up with more talk about sheep. In the first half of John 10, we find Jesus explaining that He is the Good Shepherd who lays down His life for His sheep. His sheep know His voice and He knows His sheep. He talks about willingly laying down His life for them, something that would happen when He died on the cross. His sheep are the people who will believe in Him and follow Him. The Pharisees did not understand this and they called Him a mad man.

So when Jesus starts talking about sheep again, it’s not out of the blue. He’s picking up where He left off and further making His point. He says that He gives His sheep eternal life and that no one can take them from Him. He ends with a clear and bold statement. “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). "

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What did Jesus mean when He said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)?​

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The statement “I and the Father are one” is one of the most significant statements made by Jesus in the Bible. It is packed with deep theological meaning about the relationship between Jesus and God the Father. Let’s explore this profound teaching by looking at the context, analyzing the key words, and seeing how this harmonizes with the rest of Scripture.

The Context of “I and the Father are One”​

This statement is located in John chapter 10, where Jesus was responding to the Jews who demanded to know plainly if He was the Messiah. Jesus affirmed that His works bore witness to the fact that He is the Son of God (John 10:25). But some still did not believe, accusing Him of blasphemy for claiming to be God (John 10:33). Jesus then responded, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30).
The oneness or unity between Jesus and the Father was shocking to the Jews who strictly adhered to monotheism – the belief in one God. By saying He and the Father are “one”, Jesus was revealing His divine identity and absolute unity with God. This was not what they expected from the Messiah. Jesus’ claim angered them to the point of wanting to stone Him for blasphemy (John 10:31-33).
So we see that this statement comes in the context of Jesus’ claims to be the Son of God and His ensuing debate with the Jews over His identity. His oneness with the Father is meant as a revelation of who He truly is.

The Meaning of “I and the Father are One”​

When Jesus said “I and the Father are one,” He used the Greek word “hen” which means “one” in the sense of being united in action, purpose and nature. Some key insights from this term:

• Jesus is affirming His absolute unity with the Father in a way that transcends any human analogy. This union between the Father and Son is perfect, complete, and identical.
• Jesus is one with the Father in their divine attributes – He shares the identical divine nature with His Father. This implies Jesus’ deity.
• Jesus is equal to the Father in power and glory. The Jews understood His statement as a claim to be God (John 10:33).
• Jesus is one with the Father in divine works. What Jesus does, the Father does (John 5:17-23). The unity also applies to their plans, teachings, commands and judgment.

So the oneness encompasses essence, attributes, authority and actions. Jesus was proclaiming His absolute unity and equality with the Father in an unparalleled divine relationship.

The Implications of “I and the Father are One”​

This profound statement by Jesus is packed with staggering implications concerning His divine identity and relationship with the Father. Here are some key implications from this verse:

1. Jesus is God: This statement strongly underlines the deity of Christ. He declares His absolute unity, equality and sameness with the Father in essence. This is a loud statement by Jesus that He indeed is God.
2. Jesus is divine like the Father: By saying He and the Father are “one”, Jesus leaves no room for doubt that He possesses the fullness of divine nature just like His Father. This confirms Christ’s divinity.
3. Jesus is eternal: Since the Father and Son share absolute unity in their divine nature, Jesus therefore shares the eternal existence of the Father. There never was a time when Christ did not exist.
4. Jesus should be honored like the Father: If Jesus shares equality with the Father, then He rightly deserves the same honor that is due to the Father (John 5:22-23). Jesus shares the Father’s glory and majesty.
5. Jesus reveals the Father: The perfect unity between the Father and Son means that Jesus reveals the Father to us. By seeing and knowing Christ, we see and know the Father (John 14:7-9).

These profound implications emerge from Jesus’ statement about His unity with the Father. This reveals Christ’s unique identity and His relationship with the Father.

How This Relates to the Trinity​

Jesus’ statement that He and the Father are one has notable implications concerning the Trinity. Here are some key connections between this verse and the triune nature of God:

• It reveals the distinction between the Father and Son as two Persons within the Godhead.
• It affirms the unity between these two divine Persons in their shared essence as God.
• It demonstrates equality between the Father and Son, revealing Christ’s deity.
• It shows the relational oneness within the Trinity – the same kind as between the Father and Son.

In this sense, John 10:30 is a powerful statement affirming Christ’s unique relationship with the Father that is foundational to the doctrine of the Trinity. One early church father, Tertullian, pointed to this verse as a central proof of the Trinity. While not explicitly spelling out the Trinity, Jesus’ statement lays the groundwork for this doctrine by unveiling the divine unity between the Father and Son.

Old Testament Parallels to “I and the Father are One”​

Jesus’ teaching that He and the Father are one has noteworthy parallels in several Old Testament passages that connect God and His Word/Wisdom:

• Psalm 33:6 – “By the word of the Lord the heavens were made.” The Word of God is unified with God in the work of creation.
• Isaiah 55:11 – “So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose.” Again depicting the unity and equality of God’s Word with Himself.
• Proverbs 8:22-31 – This passage personifies Wisdom and describes its role in creation and unity with God. Many see this as a precursor to Christ as the Word.

These verses reveal the Close interconnection between God and His Word/Wisdom in the Old Testament. This unity foreshadows Christ’s statement about His oneness with the Father as the Word made flesh (John 1:14).

How Early Christians Understood This Verse​

The early church fathers cherished John 10:30 as a foundational verse testifying to Christ’s divinity and His relationship with the Father. Here are a few examples of how they understood this verse:

• Tertullian (160-220 AD) called this verse the “essence of the Law and the Prophets” that affirms the Triune Godhead and the deity of Christ.
• Augustine (354-430 AD) stated that in this verse Christ “indicates the unity of their nature” with the Father and their “equality of Divinity.”
• Cyril of Alexandria (376-444 AD) said Jesus in this passage “lays down that He is not only of like essence, but also of the very same existence as God the Father.”

We see the early church recognized this verse as a powerful testimony to Christ’s deity and unity with the Father. They minced no words in using it to proclaim Christ’s divine nature.

Modern Misinterpretations of This Verse​

Despite the profound theological implications of Jesus’ statement in John 10:30, some modern groups have attempted to downplay the divine meaning. Here are some wrong interpretations:

• Some skeptics argue this verse only means Jesus is unified in purpose or will with the Father, not in their essential being.
• Jehovah’s Witnesses claim this verse shows Jesus is not literally equal to God but only represents God.
• Oneness Pentecostals use this to argue that Jesus is the Father, not a distinct Person within the Godhead.
• New Age proponents say this verse means we are all “one” with God just like Jesus.

However, we have seen the context makes these minimalistic interpretations untenable. Jesus meant an absolute divine unity when He declared “I and the Father are one.” This declaration revealed His true identity.

Verses that Clarify the Meaning of “I and the Father are One”​

Other statements from Jesus help give greater clarity to what He meant by the assertion that He and the Father are “one.” Here are some key verses that shed light on this:

• John 14:9-11 – Jesus says if the disciples have seen Him they have seen the Father. He states that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him.
• John 5:16-23 – Jesus defends His work on the Sabbath by saying He works in the same manner as the Father. And just as the Father is to be honored, so should the Son.
• John 8:58 – When claiming He existed before Abraham, Jesus claims absolute eternal existence by taking God’s name “I Am”, revealing His shared divine nature.
• John 1:1 – This verse calls Jesus the Word, says He was with God, and that He was fully God. A powerful statement of Christ’s deity and distinction.

Looking at these verses helps confirm that when Jesus spoke of His unity with the Father, He meant full divine unity in essence, authority, and power. This is the undeniable implications of Christ’s bold statement in John 10:30.

Summarizing the Meaning of “I and the Father are One”​

John 10:30 remains one of the most crucial statements by Jesus in the Gospels. Here is a summary of key points to remember:

• It reveals Jesus’ unity with the Father in divine attributes, essence, authority, purpose, and actions.
• It implies the deity of Christ and His equality with the Father in divinity.
• It relates to the distinction between the Father and Son within the Trinity.
• It affirms that Jesus reveals the Father perfectly.
• It asserts Jesus’ eternal existence.

In just a few simple words, Jesus makes an astounding claim that unveils mysteries about His relationship with the Father and His own divine identity. The early Christians grasped the enormity of this bold declaration by Jesus. As modern disciples, may we also marvel at the depth of Christ’s words in John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one.”

Why are you people afraid of the truth? Inquiring minds want to know.........................

 

[Keiw1]

You did not directly address the argument

in

Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

and

Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”

we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”

Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen



Mark shows us the messenger is John the Baptist and he prepares the way for Jesus who according to the reference must be Jehovah our God

You cant understand bible truth. There is 0 sense in explaining it to you, it just makes you stand in opposition. All things done by a true servant is for Jehovahs name and will. That is what it meant.
Just like when David faced down Goliath-- He stated-You come with sword, shield and Javelin, i come in the name of Jehovah.

 

[Keiw1]

That is twisted Catholicism translating. To fit their false council teachings.