A super important teaching from Jesus

Jehovah does all things through Jesus, Jesus sends the holy spirit to do things by Jehovah's will. Like Luke shows in Acts 2:22-- God(Jehovah) did all the powerful works through Jesus.
When God sent the holy spirit to ask a question of one, It was really God asking the question, God seeking an answer, That is how they lied to God=through the holy spirit who was a go between. They use that scripture to say the holy spirit is God by twisting reality.
So Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, with the Word, to impregnate His mother?doh.gif

And why would God send someone who could not tell the truth from a lie to ask questions of the people?

The whole concept is as screwy as anyone believing Mary stayed a virgin.
 
nonsense, you said God sit on the throne and not the Lamb who is JESUS. see your post #272 in the topic, "Do you know the real Jesus?"

make up your mind as to who sits on the throne

101G.
Yes the real Jesus= teaches John 17:3-the one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
 
First I am not, nor I ever have been a Catholic.

But before you throw the baby out with the bath water I suggest every scripture and verse you read from the "doubting Thomas" who gave you your translation you should compare to the Greek (Hebrew) Interlinear...Because you yourself will be able to look up the Greek and Hebrew words for yourself and not rely on another human being.

Add this to your book marks.

Next Add a copy of the Peshitta to your book marks. (Aramaic)

Then add a copy of the Septuagint LXX to your book marks (Jewish)

Then add the Complete Jewish Bible (Jewish)

Then add The oldest text of the entire Christian Bible, including the New Testament, is the Codex Sinaiticus dating from the 4th century

Then add what has been translated from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

DO NOT ADD, OR READ A CATHOLIC BIBLE FOR NOT ONLY HAVE THEY CHANGED OVER THE YEARS , THERE IS EXTRA FLUFF THERE THAT IS
NOT IN THE OTHERS WITH 66 BOOKS.

All can be found free online.... may take some hunting.

If you find you need links I can help you.
Catholicim translated the codex sinacticus-4th century.
Catholicism = 2Thess 2:3--they NEVER had Jesus, satan started it to screw it all up, and they did. All protestant translations come out of Catholicism translating. Protestants saw Catholicism did not belong to Jesus and tried to fix it but could not using Catholicism translating. And info was not so easily found back then.
 
So Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, with the Word, to impregnate His mother?View attachment 1009

And why would God send someone who could not tell the truth from a lie to ask questions of the people?

The whole concept is as screwy as anyone believing Mary stayed a virgin.
God knew the answer even before he asked. God( Jehovah) doesn't always have to go through Jesus--He is the power and the wisdom. He owns every iota of all creation and can do as he wills. In most instances does things through Jesus.= The one whom God became especially fond of Prov 8:30)
 
Jehovah does all things through Jesus, Jesus sends the holy spirit to do things by Jehovah's will. Like Luke shows in Acts 2:22-- God(Jehovah) did all the powerful works through Jesus.
When God sent the holy spirit to ask a question of one, It was really God asking the question, God seeking an answer, That is how they lied to God=through the holy spirit who was a go between. They use that scripture to say the holy spirit is God by twisting reality.
So God IS Jesus adoptive father... thanks for confirming itbag_smiley.gif
Catholicim translated the codex sinacticus-4th century.
Catholicism = 2Thess 2:3--they NEVER had Jesus, satan started it to screw it all up, and they did. All protestant translations come out of Catholicism translating. Protestants saw Catholicism did not belong to Jesus and tried to fix it but could not using Catholicism translating. And info was not so easily found back then.
The Peshitta did not.

The Complete Jewish Bible did not.


Thats why Jimmy wanted a new translation.....
 
And KJV contains the OT too.
Yes it does most assuredly from the latin vulgate. Retranslated into Greek possibly Hebrew either 1300,s or 1500,s. Anyone who tried to translate prior to that were burned alive at the stake for heresy by Catholicism orders along with their translating. Few could read Latin. They didn't allow anyone to read Gods word for themselves. Proving 100% that Jesus was not with Catholicism. Jesus wants all to read Gods word.
 
Yes it does most assuredly from the latin vulgate. Retranslated into Greek possibly Hebrew either 1300,s or 1500,s. Anyone who tried to translate prior to that were burned alive at the stake for heresy by Catholicism orders along with their translating. Few could read Latin. They didn't allow anyone to read Gods word for themselves. Proving 100% that Jesus was not with Catholicism. Jesus wants all to read Gods word.
Oh good grief.

Ummmmmmmm

Jesus never told his followers to study scripture. Never. Not once.

Jesus lived on this earth after the books of the Old Testament were written, and before the books of the New Testament were written. So, obviously, Jesus didn’t say anything about the New Testament. None of the books of the New Testament existed when Jesus was teaching.

He did, however quote a lot from the Old Testament.

Jesus never commanded, or encouraged, his followers to study scripture

But surly you are smart enough to figure out what Jesus meant when he said in Matt 16:18
NASB 1995
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Truth is that either by anointing of Jesus, self appointment or congregational vote Peter became the first POPE.

Jesus picked "HIM".

I am not a RCC supporter. In fact I am so anti- Pope Francis... ( subject for another thread) ... but you cannot dismiss how any of or the churchianity stuff started.

But it was not all smooth going.... But eventually an off shoot of the Orthodox church came into being.... They hold similar views but also opposite in that their priests ( at least in the Greek Orthodox) marry.

The do share a tie in with the Protestants

From the book https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...introduction/6F557828A479C3426C06889465E64D4F

Summary

The Orthodox Church consists historically of the local Churches of the Eastern Roman empire, including Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem, as well as the Churches that came into being as a result of their missions. During the first millennium of Christianity, this communion included the Church of Rome. It is important to remember that the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches, as well as Rome's Protestant offshoots, all share a common ancestry in the one, universal Christian communion of the early centuries.
The Christian mission, as it is described by Luke in Acts and in Paul's Epistles, spread rapidly through the territories of the Roman empire. Orthodox tradition holds that it spread beyond the Roman world even in the apostolic period, with St Thomas travelling as far as southern India, converting many people along the way. Most of the more distant missions, such as Georgia, Armenia and Ethiopia, however, were probably achieved in the fourth or fifth centuries after the Roman empire had finally adopted Christianity as its state religion, following the conversion of Constantine I. By this time, the Church, which had earlier been an illegal, minority organisation within a predominantly pagan society, was slowly becoming the dominant force in shaping government laws and social traditions. The Roman empire, consisting of its Eastern and Western halves, became a fully Christian state: it was believed to be sanctioned by God, with its emperors or kings fulfilling special duties as God's representatives in the secular realm.

There were lots and lots and lots of differing opinions among those Catholic/Orthodox people..... NOT AT ALL UNLIKE US HERE.

But someone had to write a first bible... then a second... and so forth.....

Originally where their knowledge came was from the Old Testament scriptures, of which no one would have had any much to argue about as no one was alive so their old testament, and ours, and those of the Jewish books all pretty much read the same.

As to KJV ... Read about what happen and why.............


How the King James Bible Came to Be


But what motivated James to authorize the project?

He inherited a contentious religious situation. Just about 50 years before he came to power, Queen Elizabeth I’s half-sister, Queen Mary I (“Bloody Mary”), a Catholic, had executed nearly 250 Protestants during her short reign. Elizabeth, as Queen, affirmed the legitimacy of her father Henry VIII’s Anglican Church, but maintained a settlement by which Protestants and Puritans were allowed to practice their own varieties of the religion. The Anglican Church was thus under attack from Puritans and Calvinists seeking to do away with bishops and their hierarchy. Eventually, in the 1640s, these bitter disputes would become catalysts of the English Civil War. But during James’ reign, they were expressed in a very different forum: translation.

Translations of ancient texts exploded in the 15th century. Scholars in Italy, Holland and elsewhere perfected the Latin of Cicero and learned Greek and Hebrew. The “rediscovery” of these languages and the advent of printing allowed access to knowledge not only secular (the pagan Classics) but also sacred (the Bible in its original languages). The new market for translated texts created an urgent demand for individuals capable of reading the ancient languages. Its fulfillment was nowhere better seen than in the foundation at Oxford University in 1517, by one of Henry VIII’s personal advisors, of Corpus Christi College — the first Renaissance institution in Oxford, whose trilingual holdings of manuscripts in Latin, Greek and Hebrew Erasmus himself celebrated. At the same time, Protestant scholars used their new learning to render the Bible into common tongues, meant to give people a more direct relationship with God. The result, in England, was the publication of translations starting with William Tyndale’s 1526 Bible and culminating in the so-called “Geneva Bible” completed by Calvinists whom Queen Mary had exiled to Switzerland.

This was the Bible most popular among reformers at the time of James’ accession. But its circulation threatened the Anglican bishops. Not only did the Geneva Bible supplant their translation (the co-called Bishops’ Bible), but it also appeared to challenge the primacy of secular rulers and the bishops’ authority. One of its scathing annotations compared the locusts of the Apocalypse to swarming hordes of “Prelates” dominating the Church. Others referred to the apostles and Christ himself as “holy fools,” an approving phrase meant to evoke their disdain for “all outward pompe” in contrast to the supposed decadence of the Anglican and Catholic Churches.

In 1604, King James, himself a religious scholar who had re-translated some of the psalms, sought to unite these factions — and his people — through one universally accepted text. The idea was proposed at a conference of scholars at Hampton Court by a Puritan, John Rainolds, the seventh President of Corpus Christi College. Rainolds hoped that James would turn his face against the Bishops’ Bible, but his plan backfired when the King insisted that the new translation be based on it and condemned the “partial, untrue, seditious” notes of the Geneva translation.

Though disappointed, Rainolds pressed on and was charged with producing a translation of the Prophets. He set about his work with a committee in his rooms, still in daily use today, in Corpus Christi College, as five similar committees elsewhere rendered different books of the Bible. These scholars examined every word to determine the most felicitous turns of phrase before sending their work to colleagues for confirmation. The process, which one historian called a progenitor to modern “peer-review,” lasted seven years. Rainolds, dying in 1607, never saw the publication of his great work four years later.

Organized to celebrate the quincentenary of Corpus Christi College (a secular institution in spite of its name), the new exhibition “500 Years of Treasures from Oxford” — now at Yeshiva University Museum at Manhattan’s Center for Jewish History — includes several Hebrew manuscripts almost certainly consulted by Rainolds and his colleagues, including one of the oldest commentaries by the great medieval rabbinical scholar, Rashi. A set of the translators’ own notes — one of only three surviving copies (seen above at left) — is also included. This precious text shows Greek, Latin and English lines, revealing the detailed craft behind the King James Bible — a testament not only to the tireless endeavor of John Rainolds, but to the importance of learning in one of humanity’s most prized religious works.





So enter the Reformation and all bets were off.... Different branch's all claiming to be the one true Christian Church ....and scores upon scores of bible translations all claiming to be the best.

Now, as I said I am not pro Pope Frankie.... He has said and done things that could well lead one to believe he is the anti-Christ.
(After all... he did say having a personal relationship with Jesus was dangerous... then walked it back insisting one needs no be so into the church.)

And now he is pushing a one world religious idea, and says they all lead to God....

This is not as Jesus expected when appointing Peter.... So don't throw the baby out with the bath water...
 
Jesus is never called that in the Bible. He is called by a different word order, the "Lord of lords and King of kings" to show distinction between himself and God.
GINOLJC, to all.
nonsense, 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

Revelation 17:14 "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:14 "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

101G.
 
Matthew 6:33= Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his


You can "seek the kingdom" and never be born again into it.. = You are not a Christian.

You are born again INTO the KOG, by new birth "in Christ" as "One with God" and you are instantly and eternally in the KOG.

This is why the NT says of these, that the born again are "seated in Heavenly Places, in Christ", right now.
 
GINOLJC, to all.
nonsense, 1 Timothy 6:15 "Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;" 1 Timothy 6:16 "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

Revelation 17:14 "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:14 "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." Revelation 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

101G.
1 Timothy 6:14-15 isn't about Jesus and neither is Revelation 19:16.
 
prove it

101G
The appearing of Jesus (the Son) is what God (the Father) will bring about in His own time. The one being called God is, therefore, not Jesus. God is being called the blessed and only Ruler and "King of kings and Lord of lords" while Jesus isn't. This is clear from the fact that in Matthew 24:36 that Jesus doesn't know when he returns and in 1 Thess. 4:14 Jesus is brought back by God. God is immortal, Jesus isn't. No one has seen God, many saw Jesus.

1 Timothy 6 (NIV)
14to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.

Revelation 19:16 also isn't Jesus. The rider on the white horse "has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself..." which would be the Father because Jesus isn't omniscient as Matthew 24:36 proves. Furthermore, In Revelation 6:2, Jesus isn't the rider on the white horse. So much more can be said.
 
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