No where does the bible say the holy spirit is God. It has 0 equality with God or even Jesus.
A super important teaching from Jesus
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Jesus was a mortal man.
John would never do that, because at John 17:3 Jesus is clear-The one who sent him=Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John would be calling Jesus a liar to teach what you say. All teaching any other God besides the Father is calling Jesus a liar.
101G
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Addressing the OP and having not read all the posts. is not the Kingdom of God is the Holy Spirit which dwells in us? let's see what the Lord Jesus said. Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." now by hos holy apostle, Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."
so is your Jehovah the Holy Spirit? ... who is the Lord Jesus......
101G
101G.
civic
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Nope Jesus talked in John 17 and John wrote it down. John wrote 1 John and by the guidance of the Holy Spirit says Christ is the true God.
Of course you are dodging and you do not address the post
Dodging the point
And according to the Old Testament the way was being prepared for Jehovah
Mark 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 THE beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
and
Luke 3:4–6 (UASV) — 4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 5 Every valley will be filled, and every mountain and hill will be brought low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough ways smooth, 6 and all flesh will see the salvation of God.’ ”
we have a quote from the prophet Isaiah
Isaiah 40:3–5 (UASV) — 3 A voice of one calling out, In the wilderness, “prepare the way of Jehovah; make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. 5 And the glory of Jehovah shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken.”
Isaiah speaks of a messenger who will come to prepare the way for Jehovah our God and tells us the glory of Jehovah will be seen
Jesus is that Jehovah which is seen
MTMattie
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What is the bible that you read.
You want us to believe what you... a layperson claims... but you never giver a bible by name so wa also might learn.
Is it God's Word Translation ?
Is it New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures ?
We post from assorted translations and you keep saying we are wrong.....
Help
MTMattie
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Then as I said... God must be Jesus' adoptive father because God had someone else make it happen.
MTMattie
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Question for all non-Trins. Just tryiing to pinpoint your beliefs.
If YHWH , who people call "The Father" had 1 begotten son... Would YOU call that son a demigod?
Definition.
Webster:
1
: a mythological being with more power than a mortal but less than a god
2
: a person so outstanding as to seem to approach the divine
Perhaps you view meaning 2 as fitting Jesus?
The minor fact that He was able to cast out demons, walk on water, increase food for a crowd, turn water into wine, forgave people, healed the sick, raised the dead disappear from a tomb and appear to his followers before ascending certainly makes Him far above mortals... (Though I have seen healers working)
Now, granted, being made a mortal he was a little lower that the angels... as we all are... just seems to me that he had something none of us here did.
If so what?... and if so does he not need a title? AND DONT SAY SAVIOR.... that came under His job description....
Are you calling Him a demigod?
Cause Wiki says A demigod is a part-human and part-divine offspring of a deity and a human, or a human or non-human creature that is accorded divine status after death, or someone who has attained the "divine spark".
Does this not describe things here perfectly?
If not... why not?
OH NO
Wiki again.... The divine spark is a term used in various religious traditions, such as Gnosticism, Catharism, and Quakerism, to refer to the portion of God that resides within each human being. Learn about the origins, meanings, and expressions of the divine spark in different contexts and sources.
Here we have the Holy Spirit that you all deny is God.
Jesus said blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven, but he was speaking to the scribes who rejected him and his work.
One word of caution to all. If everything was written out in clear understanding words within the four corners of the Holy Book... there would be no need for faith.
2 COR. 5:7 ~ WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT.
Heb 11:6 ~ AND WITHOUT FAILTH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE HIM, FOR HE WHO COMES TO GOD MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS AND THAT HE IS A REWARDER OF THOSE WHO SEEK HIM.
If YHWH , who people call "The Father" had 1 begotten son... Would YOU call that son a demigod?
Definition.
Webster:
1
: a mythological being with more power than a mortal but less than a god
2
: a person so outstanding as to seem to approach the divine
Perhaps you view meaning 2 as fitting Jesus?
The minor fact that He was able to cast out demons, walk on water, increase food for a crowd, turn water into wine, forgave people, healed the sick, raised the dead disappear from a tomb and appear to his followers before ascending certainly makes Him far above mortals... (Though I have seen healers working)
Now, granted, being made a mortal he was a little lower that the angels... as we all are... just seems to me that he had something none of us here did.
If so what?... and if so does he not need a title? AND DONT SAY SAVIOR.... that came under His job description....
Are you calling Him a demigod?
Cause Wiki says A demigod is a part-human and part-divine offspring of a deity and a human, or a human or non-human creature that is accorded divine status after death, or someone who has attained the "divine spark".
Does this not describe things here perfectly?
If not... why not?
OH NO
Wiki again.... The divine spark is a term used in various religious traditions, such as Gnosticism, Catharism, and Quakerism, to refer to the portion of God that resides within each human being. Learn about the origins, meanings, and expressions of the divine spark in different contexts and sources.
Here we have the Holy Spirit that you all deny is God.
Jesus said blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven, but he was speaking to the scribes who rejected him and his work.
One word of caution to all. If everything was written out in clear understanding words within the four corners of the Holy Book... there would be no need for faith.
2 COR. 5:7 ~ WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT.
Heb 11:6 ~ AND WITHOUT FAILTH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE HIM, FOR HE WHO COMES TO GOD MUST BELIEVE THAT HE IS AND THAT HE IS A REWARDER OF THOSE WHO SEEK HIM.
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Gods kingdom= Gods kingdom rule with an appointed king sitting on the throne=Jesus. Its a form of righteous govt. It will be ruling all of creation here at Rev 21:1= the great crowd ( rev 7:9)will be standing before that throne on earth. You missed the Lords prayer--your kingdom come( to earth)= that govt rule over all on earth.Addressing the OP and having not read all the posts. is not the Kingdom of God is the Holy Spirit which dwells in us? let's see what the Lord Jesus said. Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." now by hos holy apostle, Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."
so is your Jehovah the Holy Spirit? ... who is the Lord Jesus......
101G
101G.
no he did not. Catholicism error at best to mislead.
All religions using the altered translations condemned the New world translation. Yet they were the only translators to give support to Gods will on the matter of his name in his bible where he put it because he wants it there. Only ones in darkness can condemn that. All altered versions are filled with errors to mislead by Catholicism translating.
Yes you stated it yourself--The word became-HUMAN.= a mortal man, but Jesus was a perfect mortal man.
Jehovah does all things through Jesus, Jesus sends the holy spirit to do things by Jehovah's will. Like Luke shows in Acts 2:22-- God(Jehovah) did all the powerful works through Jesus.
When God sent the holy spirit to ask a question of one, It was really God asking the question, God seeking an answer, That is how they lied to God=through the holy spirit who was a go between. They use that scripture to say the holy spirit is God by twisting reality.
civic
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I’m not Catholic
When the protestants translated, only Catholicism NT translating remained( Codex Sinacticus) very few small fragments predate that 4th century translating.I’m not Catholic
101G
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nonsense, you said God sit on the throne and not the Lamb who is JESUS. see your post #272 in the topic, "Do you know the real Jesus?"
make up your mind as to who sits on the throne
101G.
MTMattie
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First I am not, nor I ever have been a Catholic.
But before you throw the baby out with the bath water I suggest every scripture and verse you read from the "doubting Thomas" who gave you your translation you should compare to the Greek (Hebrew) Interlinear...Because you yourself will be able to look up the Greek and Hebrew words for yourself and not rely on another human being.
Add this to your book marks.
Next Add a copy of the Peshitta to your book marks. (Aramaic)
Then add a copy of the Septuagint LXX to your book marks (Jewish)
Then add the Complete Jewish Bible (Jewish)
Then add The oldest text of the entire Christian Bible, including the New Testament, is the Codex Sinaiticus dating from the 4th century
Then add what has been translated from the Dead Sea Scrolls.
DO NOT ADD, OR READ A CATHOLIC BIBLE FOR NOT ONLY HAVE THEY CHANGED OVER THE YEARS , THERE IS EXTRA FLUFF THERE THAT IS
NOT IN THE OTHERS WITH 66 BOOKS.
All can be found free online.... may take some hunting.
If you find you need links I can help you.
MTMattie
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As God is.
How did the Word... which you refuse to capitalize become a Human?
You have what you obviously believe to be an impersonal thing... or whatever the trerm is that has been used here.
How could that become a personal person?
