Your Views on The Trinity

[FreeInChrist]

God is never called a Trinity. No passage states that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal, persons in one essence or godhead. When controversies regarding God arose, the apostles never cleared the air and explained that God is a trinity.

Rather, they explained that God is entirely distinct from Jesus.

I never said he wasn't. Each has their own attributes and jobs....

Try this for an example.

A church can have three ministers, as many churches benefit from having multiple pastors or ministers to provide spiritual leadership and care for the congregation. This arrangement is supported by examples in the New Testament where multiple pastors served individual local churches.

Each would be Pastor, but not just one person.

Acts 2:22, 36
“Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles... God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Acts 3:13
“The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.”

1 Timothy 2:5
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.”

 

[TomL]

Picking out verses from different contexts and gluing them all together isn't how exegesis works. Your conclusions about what these verses means is not ever repeated in the Bible. This is a pathetic attempt at persuasion, especially since it is bluntly stated the Father is the one and only true God. There are no statements or descriptions about the trinity. You're imagining something that isn't there.

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

 

[Runningman]

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

Scientologists and Mormons do the same things with their doctrines. They cut and paste verses together and suddenly they come up with funny ideas like writing their name on their underwear, baptism for dead people, being an immortal spirit who pre-existed their human birth, being the god of their own planet, etc. This is how cults are formed and it is called eisegesis. When the pen met the paper, no one actually explained God is who you claim He is. This means your interpretation is false. Not only is it false, but you are attempting to contradict the Bible that explicitly states the Father is the one and only true God. Begin with this foundational fact and when you are ready we can address all of your misapplications of Scripture.

 

[TomL]

Scientologists and Mormons do the same things with their doctrines. They cut and paste verses together and suddenly they come up with funny ideas like writing their name on their underwear, baptism for dead people, being an immortal spirit who pre-existed their human birth, being the god of their own planet, etc. This is how cults are formed and it is called eisegesis. When the pen met the paper, no one actually explained God is who you claim He is. This means your interpretation is false. Not only is it false, but you are attempting to contradict the Bible that explicitly states the Father is the one and only true God. Begin with this foundational fact and when you are ready we can address all of your misapplications of Scripture.

You did not address the verses

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

And God alone created all things

Isa 44:24Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,

Rev 4:11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”
Eph 3:9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

yet

John 1:1–3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:15–17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
Hebrews 1:10 (NASB 95) — 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

 

[Runningman]

You did not address the verses

Nonsense as it is repeated multiple times

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

On the matter of proper exegesis, beginning with John 1:1, we should draw as much information about the Word as possible from Scripture and not ignore any of it. So we have apostle John on record calling the Word a thing in 1 John 1:1-3 so we know right off the bat that the Word is not literally God. How do we reconcile the Word being God with the Word not being God at the very same time? The particular translation you provided of John 1:1 proves that John was writing about the Word poetically in a way in line with Hebrew poetry. Thus the Word is being personified as something godly, hence in the Greek he went out of his way to distinguish the Word from The God. In other words, the Word is not The God according to John. The Word is a thing, as the very word itself means words, statements, a speech, etc. You can think of the Word as God's plans in His foresight and foreknowledge manifesting His will, and thus we have Jesus being created in John 1:14 because God creates by speaking words.

 

[TomL]

On the matter of proper exegesis, beginning with John 1:1, we should draw as much information about the Word as possible from Scripture and not ignore any of it. So we have apostle John on record calling the Word a thing in 1 John 1:1-3 so we know right off the bat that the Word is not literally God. How do we reconcile the Word being God with the Word not being God at the very same time? The particular translation you provided of John 1:1 proves that John was writing about the Word poetically in a way in line with Hebrew poetry. Thus the Word is being personified as something godly, hence in the Greek he went out of his way to distinguish the Word from The God. In other words, the Word is not The God according to John. The Word is a thing, as the very word itself means words, statements, a speech, etc. You can think of the Word as God's plans in His foresight and foreknowledge manifesting His will, and thus we have Jesus being created in John 1:14 because God creates by speaking words.

LOL you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

As were he, he could not create himself

The rest you do not address

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

And God alone created all things

Isa 44:24Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,

Rev 4:11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”
Eph 3:9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

yet

John 1:1–3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:15–17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:10 (NASB 95) — 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

 

[Runningman]

LOL you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

As were he, he could not create himself

The rest you do not address

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

And God alone created all things

Isa 44:24Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,

Rev 4:11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”
Eph 3:9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

yet

John 1:1–3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:15–17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:10 (NASB 95) — 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

We are having a Bible discussion and you asked me to address you verses. I am now doing that. I addressed your first verse so we can sort that one out before moving on to the the rest of your misunderstandings. So it looks like you've just copied and pasted the same things again even though you are also required to address my Bible verses.

For the record, you're posting verses I already agree with, not that there are any I disagree with, but I understand the way to rightly divide Scripture because I know who God is and who God is not. So are you going to address John 1:1 in light of the Word not being God according to 1 John 1:1-3?

 

[TomL]

We are having a Bible discussion and you asked me to address you verses. I am now doing that. I addressed your first verse so we can sort that one out before moving on to the the rest of your misunderstandings. So it looks like you've just copied and pasted the same things again even though you are also required to address my Bible verses.

For the record, you're posting verses I already agree with, not that there are any I disagree with, but I understand the way to rightly divide Scripture because I know who God is and who God is not. So are you going to address John 1:1 in light of the Word not being God according to 1 John 1:1-3?

LOL

John 1:1-3 is just the opposite.

As I noted you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

Were he a non personal thing, he could not create himself

Where have you addressed this?

BTW you outright contradicted John 1:1

Scripture - the Word was God

You - The word was not God

Do you seriously think that is an argument when it is nothing but a plain denial of scripture?

The rest you do not address

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

And the Spirit as well

Acts 5:3–4But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
2 Corinthians 3:17–18 (NASB 95) — 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10–11 (NASB 95) — 10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Rom 8:9–11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
1 Cor 12:4–6Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons.

BTW

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

And God alone created all things

Isa 44:24Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone,

Rev 4:11“Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”
Eph 3:9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

yet

John 1:1–3In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:15–17He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:10 (NASB 95) — 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

 

[Red Baker]

@Runningman

I was thinking of you yesterday and was thinking that I had not seen you on here in a long time. Now here you are. I was hope you're doing well and finally gotten some sense about you and abandoned your idolatry, but I see you still have not. Anyway I hope you're doing well and one day believe that the Father is the only true God. Please let me know if you need any help with understanding this required belief concerning God.

I've been here just not wasting my precious time with two men who are brainwashed by the false cults in Mystery Babylon.

Doing much better health wise in the past month and a half. Still been sick much this year.

Mr. Runningman what ever spiritual sense I possess was freely given to me by God's grace alone, the other corrupt sense came from our federal head, Mr. Adam, your head as well. He really mess all of his children up, and was the medium through which we are all still fighting each other until this day.

No, I need no help from a unconverted son of Adam, but would take all the help given to me from a child of God made so by Jesus Christ's perfect faith and obedience. So, I'll be looking to people like brother @dwight92070 and others who may contribute even though who still may be a little confused and those brothers and sisters know who they are.

I believe in ONE God, manifest as three ONLY according to the work of redemption for God's elect.

1st John 5:7​

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1st John 5:20​

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

 

[Red Baker]

@Peterlag

The socking reality is that the verse you quote says "confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." It does not say "confess not that Jesus Christ is come as God.

Well listen to the the Jehovah Witnesses' theologian speak~that's really deep and probably as deep as you can go. How long did it take you to figure that out? You do know that I knew that, of course I did, any novice can see that to be so. We take all scriptures as one cohesive whole for our doctrine. Yet, here's where you and your false cult shows your deceitful character in seeking to corrupt the most precious truth of the Christian faith, that our Lord Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, proven by many infallible deeds done by him while living in the flesh. Jesus Christ was a complex person, fully man, and fully God, and these two natures never interacted with each other.

Peter, by the very fact that Jesus was the Son of God made him equal to God, even the Pharisees understood this truth that you cannot understand. Jesus was begotten by God, (God's ONLY begotten) begotten in the sense in which no man has ever been begotten of God. This make him EQUAL to God. Thus we read:

1st Timothy 3:16​

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

 

[Red Baker]

@Runningman

Anyway I hope you're doing well and one day believe that the Father is the only true God.

Listen to the Prophet:

Isaiah 9:6~
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Jesus Christ in his deity is the everlasting Father of all things! In other words, Jesus is the God of Genesis 1:1! This is a great mystery of godliness, yet we accept it as it is given to us by the word of God, and dare not seek to corrupt this blessed truth, or reject it.

How is Jesus said to be the everlasting Father and also was the Son of God, while still being the eternal God that lives in eternity?

Revelation 1:8​

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

The wisdom and the power of God made it happened, without diminishing the Godhead or put it in danger of failing. With God, all things are possible.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Scientologists and Mormons do the same things with their doctrines. They cut and paste verses together and suddenly they come up with funny ideas like writing their name on their underwear, baptism for dead people, being an immortal spirit who pre-existed their human birth, being the god of their own planet, etc. This is how cults are formed and it is called eisegesis. When the pen met the paper, no one actually explained God is who you claim He is. This means your interpretation is false. Not only is it false, but you are attempting to contradict the Bible that explicitly states the Father is the one and only true God. Begin with this foundational fact and when you are ready we can address all of your misapplications of Scripture.

How about we start with Mathew 1:1 and post it cor commentary then Mathew 1:2 and so on until the end of Revelation.

That way you can see what has not been c&ped together.

You claim you read or have read the bible.... How about you taking the verses you object to ... such as Isaiah 9:6 (I KNOW IT IS OT...
LIVE WITH IT!!!

Pull out you bible, then put up the online version and copy and paste Isaiah 9 in entirety to compare what is written here....

IOW.... PUT UP OR SHUT UP ( reporting myself)

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag

Well listen to the the Jehovah Witnesses' theologian speak~that's really deep and probably as deep as you can go. How long did it take you to figure that out? You do know that I knew that, of course I did, any novice can see that to be so. We take all scriptures as one cohesive whole for our doctrine. Yet, here's where you and your false cult shows your deceitful character in seeking to corrupt the most precious truth of the Christian faith, that our Lord Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, proven by many infallible deeds done by him while living in the flesh. Jesus Christ was a complex person, fully man, and fully God, and these two natures never interacted with each other.

Peter, by the very fact that Jesus was the Son of God made him equal to God, even the Pharisees understood this truth that you cannot understand. Jesus was begotten by God, (God's ONLY begotten) begotten in the sense in which no man has ever been begotten of God. This make him EQUAL to God. Thus we read:

1st Timothy 3:16​

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

I am not with the Jehovah Witnesses and I never said I was or quoted anything from them. What I have said many times is that I'm not with or follow anything about the Jehovah Witnesses. If you continue to call me or refer me to a Jehovah Witnesses even though I said many times that I am not with that group. Then I think it is only fair that I accuse you of being with groups that you say you are not with such as the devil that is the doctrine that you teach.

cc: @civic

 

[civic]

@Red Baker he is not a JW. He may have similar things in common but most Unitarians like @Peterlag are not JWs.

 

[Runningman]

LOL

John 1:1-3 is just the opposite.

As I noted you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

Were he a non personal thing, he could not create himself

Where have you addressed this?

BTW you outright contradicted John 1:1

Scripture - the Word was God

You - The word was not God

Do you seriously think that is an argument when it is nothing but a plain denial of scripture?

Well, you're up against quite a bit of Bible with your unfounded assertions.

First of all, 1 John 1:1-3 defines the Word as a thing. A thing is a that, which, this, it, but a person is a he, him, his, etc. John explicitly stated the Word is a thing.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.

Second of all, you don't have any examples of the Word pre-existing in the Old Testament saying or doing anything.

Thirdly, no one defined God as the Word in all of Scripture. Only John ever wrote about the Word in the same sense as John 1:1 does and he only did so in 1 John 1:1-3.

Fourthly, it's debatable if the Word should even be capitalized at all.

So you seem to think you can post a 1 verse wonder and that counters the entire Bible about God being the Father. Well, you got the cart in front of the horse. The majority, clear, statements about God inform the rest of the Bible and how to interpret things about God.

Next, you post John 20:28 in which Thomas did not address Jesus as his Lord or God. What was your point about that because that's what I am quoting too. John 20:28 is obviously Thomas making a statement, rather than an address, to Jesus. That's why no translation says "You are my God..." because Thomas wasn't addressing Jesus. Compare the rest of the Bible and Greek grammar where people are being directly addressed. John 20:28 doesn't match those grammatical constructs.

 

[TomL]

Well, you're up against quite a bit of Bible with your unfounded assertions.

First of all, 1 John 1:1-3 defines the Word as a thing. A thing is a that, which, this, it, but a person is a he, him, his, etc. John explicitly stated the Word is a thing.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.

Second of all, you don't have any examples of the Word pre-existing in the Old Testament saying or doing anything.

Thirdly, no one defined God as the Word in all of Scripture. Only John ever wrote about the Word in the same sense as John 1:1 does and he only did so in 1 John 1:1-3.

Fourthly, it's debatable if the Word should even be capitalized at all.

So you seem to think you can post a 1 verse wonder and that counters the entire Bible about God being the Father. Well, you got the cart in front of the horse. The majority, clear, statements about God inform the rest of the Bible and how to interpret things about God.

Next, you post John 20:28 in which Thomas did not address Jesus as his Lord or God. What was your point about that because that's what I am quoting too. John 20:28 is obviously Thomas making a statement, rather than an address, to Jesus. That's why no translation says "You are my God..." because Thomas wasn't addressing Jesus. Compare the rest of the Bible and Greek grammar where people are being directly addressed. John 20:28 doesn't match those grammatical constructs.

Try again

LOL

John 1:1-3 is just the opposite.

As I noted you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

Were he a non personal thing, he could not create himself

Where have you addressed this?

BTW you outright contradicted John 1:1

Scripture - the Word was God

You - The word was not God

Do you seriously think that is an argument when it is nothing but a plain denial of scripture?

Regarding

1 John 1:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

What is it they saw but the person of Christ the eternal life which was with the Father - The son of God Jesus Christ

How you can say the word did not exist in the old testament is clearly unbiblical for

John 1:1–2 (NASB95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
1John 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us
and regarding
John 20:27–29 (NASB95) — 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Thomas said to him

My Lord and my God!

Hello

Thomas said to Jesus "My Lord and my God!"

And Jesus responded back to him with

Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

You are clearly out of context.

 

[Runningman]

Try again

LOL

John 1:1-3 is just the opposite.

As I noted you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

Were he a non personal thing, he could not create himself

Where have you addressed this?

BTW you outright contradicted John 1:1

Scripture - the Word was God

You - The word was not God

Do you seriously think that is an argument when it is nothing but a plain denial of scripture?

Regarding

1 John 1:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

What is it they saw but the person of Christ the eternal life which was with the Father - The son of God Jesus Christ

How you can say the word did not exist in the old testament is clearly unbiblical for

John 1:1–2 (NASB95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
1John 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us
and regarding
John 20:27–29 (NASB95) — 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Thomas said to him

My Lord and my God!

Hello

Thomas said to Jesus "My Lord and my God!"

And Jesus responded back to him with

Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

You are clearly out of context.

Thomas was reacting because Jesus was alive and well, though still horribly maimed from the crucifixion. We know that Jesus didn't tell Thomas that he is his God because we still have John 20:17 where Jesus said ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ So we know that Jesus didn't define their God as himself.

We still have the matter of where Thomas didn't identify Jesus as his God in John 20:28. So I consider that a non-point to support your conclusions. To really drive the point home, Jesus informed Thomas that he was not blessed because Thomas saw and believed, rather than didn't see and believe. This is why Thomas is called Doubting Thomas, it's not a good thing what Jesus said to Thomas.

So down goes another one of your arguments. You are on strike 2.

Next, you quoted John 1:18. I am not sure why you are quoting all of the verses I quote too.

Here we have evidence that Jesus is not God because Jesus is a begotten son. Jesus is offspring, not an eternal being. Care to explain what you disagree with about John 1:18?

John 1
18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

 

[mikesw]

Thomas was reacting because Jesus was alive and well, though still horribly maimed from the crucifixion. We know that Jesus didn't tell Thomas that he is his God because we still have John 20:17 where Jesus said ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ So we know that Jesus didn't define their God as himself.

This is another example of unitarian goofiness. Of course Jesus did not define the Father as himself. The Son does not remain singly the Father, not even in human genealogy. Isaac does not define himself as Abraham. That is why Jesus as God is not the Father. You put emphasis on one passage to deny another. That is eisegesis rather than exegesis.

We still have the matter of where Thomas didn't identify Jesus as his God in John 20:28. So I consider that a non-point to support your conclusions. To really drive the point home, Jesus informed Thomas that he was not blessed because Thomas saw and believed, rather than didn't see and believe. This is why Thomas is called Doubting Thomas, it's not a good thing what Jesus said to Thomas.

Not sure what point you are making. Jesus did not deny being God, as the unitarian would have hoped would be written here. the unitarian tactic is deployed again: deny, deny, deny.

So down goes another one of your arguments. You are on strike 2.

Next, you quoted John 1:18. I am not sure why you are quoting all of the verses I quote too.

Here we have evidence that Jesus is not God because Jesus is a begotten son. Jesus is offspring, not an eternal being. Care to explain what you disagree with about John 1:18?

John 1
18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

John 1:18 is also said the only God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared him. Again, you deny the message of the text without relevant exegesis. It gets difficult discussing scripture with the unitarian psychological behavior of continual denial.

 

[Peterlag]

Well, you're up against quite a bit of Bible with your unfounded assertions.

First of all, 1 John 1:1-3 defines the Word as a thing. A thing is a that, which, this, it, but a person is a he, him, his, etc. John explicitly stated the Word is a thing.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.

Second of all, you don't have any examples of the Word pre-existing in the Old Testament saying or doing anything.

Thirdly, no one defined God as the Word in all of Scripture. Only John ever wrote about the Word in the same sense as John 1:1 does and he only did so in 1 John 1:1-3.

Fourthly, it's debatable if the Word should even be capitalized at all.

So you seem to think you can post a 1 verse wonder and that counters the entire Bible about God being the Father. Well, you got the cart in front of the horse. The majority, clear, statements about God inform the rest of the Bible and how to interpret things about God.

Next, you post John 20:28 in which Thomas did not address Jesus as his Lord or God. What was your point about that because that's what I am quoting too. John 20:28 is obviously Thomas making a statement, rather than an address, to Jesus. That's why no translation says "You are my God..." because Thomas wasn't addressing Jesus. Compare the rest of the Bible and Greek grammar where people are being directly addressed. John 20:28 doesn't match those grammatical constructs.

John 1:1 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. It seems difficult for people to understand that John 1:1 is introducing the Gospel of John, and not the Book of Genesis. The topic of John is God (the Father, the only God) at work in the ministry of the man Jesus of Nazareth, not the creation of rocks, trees and stars.

 

[TomL]

Thomas was reacting because Jesus was alive and well, though still horribly maimed from the crucifixion. We know that Jesus didn't tell Thomas that he is his God because we still have John 20:17 where Jesus said ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ So we know that Jesus didn't define their God as himself.

We still have the matter of where Thomas didn't identify Jesus as his God in John 20:28. So I consider that a non-point to support your conclusions. To really drive the point home, Jesus informed Thomas that he was not blessed because Thomas saw and believed, rather than didn't see and believe. This is why Thomas is called Doubting Thomas, it's not a good thing what Jesus said to Thomas.

So down goes another one of your arguments. You are on strike 2.

Next, you quoted John 1:18. I am not sure why you are quoting all of the verses I quote too.

Here we have evidence that Jesus is not God because Jesus is a begotten son. Jesus is offspring, not an eternal being. Care to explain what you disagree with about John 1:18?

John 1
18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Try again

You never address this

John 1:1-3 is just the opposite.

As I noted you are denying John's word from the get go

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

First there is nothing in the verse calling him a non personal thing. And the word is addressed by the masculine pronoun he. He is further shown personal through his creative ability. All things came into being through him. This makes him a non thing.

Were he a non personal thing, he could not create himself

Where have you addressed this?

BTW you outright contradicted John 1:1

Scripture - the Word was God

You - The word was not God

Do you seriously think that is an argument when it is nothing but a plain denial of scripture?

Regarding

1 John 1:1–3 (NASB95) — 1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

What is it they saw but the person of Christ the eternal life which was with the Father - The son of God Jesus Christ

How you can say the word did not exist in the old testament is clearly unbiblical for

John 1:1–2 (NASB95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

1John 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us

You have done nothing to address that refutation of your claim

and regarding

John 20:27–29 (NASB95) — 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Thomas said to him

My Lord and my God!

Hello

Thomas said to Jesus "My Lord and my God!"

Hello you have not set that aside

And Jesus responded back to him with

Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Hello

Thomas called him his Lord and his God

And because Thomas saw him he believed while Jesus would bless those who believe what Thomas believed without having seeing him

Your claims are clearly without any merit.

Finally as for

John 1:18 (NASB95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 1:18 (LEB) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the one and only, God, the one who is in the bosom of the Father—that one has made him known.
John 1:18 (UASV) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, that one has made him fully known.
John 1:18 (NIV) — 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

It is clear enough