Your Views on The Trinity

[Runningman]

Not so. It is throughout the bible, even OT... but every time someone provides scripture it is twisted to say it does not say what it does or is simply not addressed.

I'm more likely to respond to posts of a reasonable length. Don't have the time to rebuild someone's entire house in one swoop just for it to be rejected. Begin with one of your misunderstandings about God and I will be happy to address it in full with what the Bible says.

 

[mikesw]

I'm more likely to respond to posts of a reasonable length. Don't have the time to rebuild someone's entire house in one swoop just for it to be rejected. Begin with one of your misunderstandings about God and I will be happy to address it in full with what the Bible says.

It is easier for the unitarian to twist individual passages or segregate the divinity aspects of Christ rather than have to disregard the message of broad passages.

 

[Runningman]

It is easier for the unitarian to twist individual passages or segregate the divinity aspects of Christ rather than have to disregard the message of broad passages.

That's not what is happening on my side, for sure. That's what trinitarians do. We all know you only have 1 verse in the entire Bible that comes even remotely close to containing the trinitarian formula. I have thousands of verses that describe God as an individual person.

 

[dwight92070]

Amen, the trinity doesn't exist.

If God is a trinity, we should expect to see some Scripture about that, but there is none. The doctrine of the trinity is, thusly, an extremely vulnerable doctrine, and has been since it was first created in the late 4th century. This is also why most garden variety trinitarians are comfortable just smiling and saying "The trinity is an incomprehensible mystery." Most just aren't equipped to talk about it, most of them don't even understand the doctrine themselves.

I believe in the Trinity with one variation from the traditional doctrine. I believe that the three Persons are distinct from one another, but at the same time, they ARE each other. Also they are each God.

In fact the traditional view itself seems inconsistent. If the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, then to say that they are not each other is inconsistent, since each is God.

But to say that there is no scripture about the Trinity is to be blind, or worse, an evil denier of the truth. The Scripture is chock full of evidence that Jesus is God, almost all of which has been posted multiple times on this thread and others, and we already knew that the Holy Spirit is God and that the Father is God, so there you immediately have the truth of The Trinity.

Not only that but 100% of that evidence either occurred in the 1st century or is referred to in the 1st century, since the New Testament was all written within the 1st century. So when you say that the doctrine was first created in the late 300's, I don't believe that for a second. I believe all 12 of the apostles knew that Jesus was God. If they didn't believe that, then they wouldn't have worshiped Him. Devout Jews would never worship a man, or if they did, other devout Jews (or even angels) would correct them, such as Peter correcting Cornelius, and the angel correcting John in Revelation. They knew that God alone was to be worshiped, and they didn't hesitate to worship Jesus.

 

[mikesw]

That's not what is happening on my side, for sure. That's what trinitarians do. We all know you only have 1 verse in the entire Bible that comes even remotely close to containing the trinitarian formula. I have thousands of verses that describe God as an individual person.

Maybe you can overcome the passages that speak of the divinity of Christ -- Jesus as God. Then address those that demonstrate pre-existence as essential of Jesus.

 

[civic]

That's not what is happening on my side, for sure. That's what trinitarians do. We all know you only have 1 verse in the entire Bible that comes even remotely close to containing the trinitarian formula. I have thousands of verses that describe God as an individual person.

lol projecting again since its the uni's with the one verse in John 17:3. and that has been proven to support God is Plural by Trins.

nice try

 

[Jay]

My View of the Trinity is the mainstream Christian view. You know what that is right? That God is one being in three co-equal and co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Views that reject this include modalism, which sees the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as different "modes" or roles of a single person, and tritheism, which incorrectly posits three separate gods. Other alternative views, such as Unitarianism, assert that God is a single person, a view not held by orthodox Christianity.

 

[Peterlag]

@Runningman @Peterlag @Brandy

I have spoken to you and your disciple @Petelag a few times in the past, but refuse to continue wasting time with you both, since you both deny a most essential truth of the word of God and that truth is.......... that Jesus Christ is the True God, thereby you and Peter are antichrist void of the Spirit of the Living God.

2 John 1:7​

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

The confession of Isaiah 9:6 where the prophet clearly said that the Son given is no other than the mighty God, the everlasting father! Deny this this truth and one is an antichrist, one that is against Christ, not for him.

Isaiah 9:6​

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

I believe in the Biblical trinity only in this sense..... that according to each respective work in the redemption of God's elect, there are three, yet in that world yet to come there will only be ONE GOD that we shall see and his name is Emmanuel, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, who is a Spirit that inhabits eternity, always has, always will, which no angel or man will ever see, impossible~ we will see God in the person of Jesus Christ who is the express image of God.

@Brandy~Brandy is my youngest daughter's name~of course she is going on 51 so she's no baby any more expect being mine, and that's true all three of my oldest girls, with one son who is almost forty nine.

The socking reality is that the verse you quote says "confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." It does not say "confess not that Jesus Christ is come as God."

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman @Peterlag @Brandy

I have spoken to you and your disciple @Petelag a few times in the past, but refuse to continue wasting time with you both, since you both deny a most essential truth of the word of God and that truth is.......... that Jesus Christ is the True God, thereby you and Peter are antichrist void of the Spirit of the Living God.

2 John 1:7​

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

The confession of Isaiah 9:6 where the prophet clearly said that the Son given is no other than the mighty God, the everlasting father! Deny this this truth and one is an antichrist, one that is against Christ, not for him.

Isaiah 9:6​

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

I believe in the Biblical trinity only in this sense..... that according to each respective work in the redemption of God's elect, there are three, yet in that world yet to come there will only be ONE GOD that we shall see and his name is Emmanuel, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, who is a Spirit that inhabits eternity, always has, always will, which no angel or man will ever see, impossible~ we will see God in the person of Jesus Christ who is the express image of God.

@Brandy~Brandy is my youngest daughter's name~of course she is going on 51 so she's no baby any more expect being mine, and that's true all three of my oldest girls, with one son who is almost forty nine.

Hi Red,

I was thinking of you yesterday and was thinking that I had not seen you on here in a long time. Now here you are. I was hope you're doing well and finally gotten some sense about you and abandoned your idolatry, but I see you still have not. Anyway I hope you're doing well and one day believe that the Father is the only true God. Please let me know if you need any help with understanding this required belief concerning God.

 

[Runningman]

Maybe you can overcome the passages that speak of the divinity of Christ -- Jesus as God. Then address those that demonstrate pre-existence as essential of Jesus.

Well, I know the Father is the only true God according to scripture. I don't believe you will find a way to contradict the Bible about this so I am not sure what you are attempting to distort. What verse are you attempting to make bow down to your idol?

 

[Runningman]

lol projecting again since its the uni's with the one verse in John 17:3. and that has been proven to support God is Plural by Trins.

nice try

John 17:3 debunks the trinity. Thanks for bringing it up.

 

[Runningman]

My View of the Trinity is the mainstream Christian view. You know what that is right? That God is one being in three co-equal and co-eternal persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. Views that reject this include modalism, which sees the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as different "modes" or roles of a single person, and tritheism, which incorrectly posits three separate gods. Other alternative views, such as Unitarianism, assert that God is a single person, a view not held by orthodox Christianity.

It's a very common heresy nowadays. How did you first learn about the trinity? Care you share you experience with when you first heard about it?

 

[Arabah]

@Runningman @Peterlag @Brandy

I have spoken to you and your disciple @Petelag a few times in the past, but refuse to continue wasting time with you both, since you both deny a most essential truth of the word of God and that truth is.......... that Jesus Christ is the True God, thereby you and Peter are antichrist void of the Spirit of the Living God.

2 John 1:7​

“For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

The confession of Isaiah 9:6 where the prophet clearly said that the Son given is no other than the mighty God, the everlasting father! Deny this this truth and one is an antichrist, one that is against Christ, not for him.

Isaiah 9:6​

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

I believe in the Biblical trinity only in this sense..... that according to each respective work in the redemption of God's elect, there are three, yet in that world yet to come there will only be ONE GOD that we shall see and his name is Emmanuel, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, who is a Spirit that inhabits eternity, always has, always will, which no angel or man will ever see, impossible~ we will see God in the person of Jesus Christ who is the express image of God.

@Brandy~Brandy is my youngest daughter's name~of course she is going on 51 so she's no baby any more expect being mine, and that's true all three of my oldest girls, with one son who is almost forty nine.

Thanks for the heads up. What's that called?

 

[mikesw]

I have a friend who says if you just read the Bible for yourself you will never see the trinity. Yet trinitarians say they see the trinity everywhere.

Your friend knows your blindness since Christians are able to see that God interacts in multiple ways --with, for example, the Angel of Yahweh speaking with Yahweh and then being called Yahweh. Sure, a person must read the text to recognize this. That may be the drawback for unitarians.

 

[TomL]

Amen, the trinity doesn't exist.

If God is a trinity, we should expect to see some Scripture about that, but there is none. The doctrine of the trinity is, thusly, an extremely vulnerable doctrine, and has been since it was first created in the late 4th century. This is also why most garden variety trinitarians are comfortable just smiling and saying "The trinity is an incomprehensible mystery." Most just aren't equipped to talk about it, most of them don't even understand the doctrine themselves.

Um this wqould be a lot

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

 

[Runningman]

Um this wqould be a lot

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Picking out verses from different contexts and gluing them all together isn't how exegesis works. Your conclusions about what these verses means is not ever repeated in the Bible. This is a pathetic attempt at persuasion, especially since it is bluntly stated the Father is the one and only true God. There are no statements or descriptions about the trinity. You're imagining something that isn't there.

 

[FreeInChrist]

I'm more likely to respond to posts of a reasonable length. Don't have the time to rebuild someone's entire house in one swoop just for it to be rejected. Begin with one of your misunderstandings about God and I will be happy to address it in full with what the Bible says.

Nope. I know what you will say. Heard it all before.